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Investment Opportunites
by vmodu＠yahoo.com 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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CNN.com - Justice Department can't confirm how many detainees released - November 5, 2001
by Jim Choate 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

If these guys can't count, should they really be in charge of our country? http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/05/inv.detainee.numbers/index.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Singing The War Prayer
by An Metet 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

This guy is just some faggot fed troll -- probably Jeff Gordon in drag.

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US VISAS / BUSINESS SEMINAR - 247-0118 Multi-channel number
by Lawyer 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

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05 Nov '01

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First Polygraphs and Then Torture?
by Matthew Gaylor 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

Note from Matthew Gaylor: Today I read two more disturbing stories of America's slip into police statism. The first is about a Illinois public school Nazi using a polygraph to ferret out the off school grounds activities of his students. See: <http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-football-polygrap hs1105nov05.story> . Dunlap, IL High School Superintendent Bill Collier said it was the right thing to do to sort the guilty from the innocent: "It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the fairest way." -- One by one, the subjects were led into a room and hooked up to a polygraph machine. The purpose: to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed." And I worry what might be the next step in America if polygraphs don't achieve the desired results. The New York Times reports <http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/05/business/media/05TORT.html> this chilling thought "In many quarters, the Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter is considered a liberal. Yet there he was last week, raising this question: "In this autumn of anger," he wrote, "even a liberal can find his thoughts turning to . . . torture." He added that he was not necessarily advocating the use of "cattle prods or rubber hoses" on men detained in the investigation into the terrorist attacks. Only, "something to jump-start the stalled investigation of the greatest crime in American history." And the NYT continues: "One week earlier, on CNN's "Crossfire," the conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said: "Torture is bad." But he added: "Keep in mind, some things are worse. And under certain circumstances, it may be the lesser of two evils. Because some evils are pretty evil."". Now obviously giving children polygraphs and torturing terrorist suspects are very different, but what happens when the kids "crimes" are considered so heinous that stiffer measures are required? Considering the US government, public schools and other public institution's insane obsession with the war on drugs it is in my mind a hop, skip and a jump for them to come to the conclusion that torture, (like getting a teen drug pusher to revel his supplier) an acceptable technique. Perhaps it's important to dust off your copy of The Bill of Rights and re-read the 5th amendment which explicitly states that: "No person shall be nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." See: <http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billrights.html> I for one swore to uphold the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and anyone who tortures suspects is someone I'd consider a traitor and enemy. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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Verba Volant del 06-11-01
by verba＠rol.it 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

Verba Volant del 06-11-01, Every day a new quotation translated into many languages. Logos Translations - www.logostranslations.com _________________ Quotation of the day: Author - Paul Valéry http://www.logos.it/bio/paul_valery.html English - let us enrich ourselves with our mutual differences Italian - arricchiamoci delle nostre reciproche differenze Spanish - enriquezcámonos con nuestras mutuas diferencias French - enrichissons-nous de nos mutuelles différences Portuguese - enriqueçamo-nos com as nossas diferenças mútuas Brazilian Portuguese - enriqueçamo-nos com as nossas diferenças mútuas German - bereichern wir einander mit unseren gegenseitigen Unterschieden Hungarian - gazdagítsuk egymást kölcsönös különbözoségeinkkel Finnish - rikastuttakaamme itseämme kunkin erilaisuudella Catalan - enriquim-nos de les nostres recíproques diferències Croatian - obogatimo se naim uzajamnim razlikama Czech - obohacujme se navzájem tím, cím se liíme Dutch - laat onze onderlinge verschillen een verrijking zijn Emiliano-Romagnolo - fasem cumerz dal difirenzi ch'u i son l'on ma ch'eltri Furlan - insiorinsi das nestris diferenzis di scambio Latin - ditescamus mutuis diversitatibus Latvian; Lettish - bagatinasim sevi ar musu kopejam atkiribam Occitan - enrichem-nos ambè nòstras diferèncias Polish - wzbogacmy sie naszymi wzajemnymi róznicami Romanian - sa ne îmbogatim reciproc din diversitatea noastra Slovak - obohacujme sa vzájomnými odlinostami Venetian - deventemo siori de le nostre difarense Sicilian - arricchemunni d' 'i nostri reciprochi differenzi Flemish - laat onze onderlinge verschillen een verrijking zijn Calabrese - arrichimuni di le nostre recipruche diffirenzi Reggiano - ramòm sò còll che al fa mìa cumpagn un cun cl'eter Ferrarese - dvantén ricch d'il nostar recipruche diversità Bolognese - fän in môd ed dvintèr pió récc cån äl nòstri difaränz _________________ All languages, please click on this link http://www.rol.it/owa-k/press.frasiproc.carica?code=437 _________________ To unsubscribe from Verba Volant, please follow this link: http://www.rol.it/owa-k/press.rol_ml.verbavolant and write in the empty field next to unsubscribe the email address that you find after "TO:" in the Verba Volant emails alternatively write to the following address: unsubscribe_volant(a)rol.it always copying the EMAIL address written after "TO:"

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Business Rights and Free Markets
by Jim Choate 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

Tim (and other C-A-C-L proponents) have opined that a 'business' has the 'right' to refuse service to anyone for any reason. This is clearly contrary to both the concept of 'rights' and 'free market' (and is diametricaly opposed to what C-A-C-L proponents claim(!) to want). Things don't have rights. A business is a thing. It is a mechanism whereby one or more people get from here to there. It is analgous to a bicycle and moving from point A to point B. While the people riding the bike clearly have a right to get from A to B by any mechanism that doesn't interfere with others it is a long slide into insanity to then say the bike has equivalent 'rights'. A business can refuse to serve anyone they desire for any reason, but the market such a business operates in is not(!!!) a free market by any definition that folks like von Mises or Hayek would recognize as such. Now C-A-C-L proponents claim (of which this is just another example of their hypocrisy or ignorance - take your pick [1]) that they want to create a free market that is universal in all human activity. Clearly this isn't possible operating under Tim and his supporters particular brand of 'free' which is nothing more than 'freedom for me, not for thee'. A business has the RESPONSIBILITY to refuse service to anyone which threatens that business' operations. They also have a responsibility to make that reaction as minimaly invasive as possible in all cases, no exceptions. There is no "..., but..." in free market or American democracy. [1] Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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More Creeping Public School Fascism
by Eric Cordian 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

Here's the latest outrage from our country's government-run schools. Not only do school officials presume to stick their noses into what kids do on their own free time, away from school, but they think they can use lie detectors to pry into kids' private lives. Notice the collusion between the pigs and the school administrators. Pigs make lists of people, none of whom have been charged with any crime, and turn them over to school administrators, who have the power to take action with no requirement of fairness or due process. Note that nothing can be done about this unless a parent files a complaint. Kids don't have any rights in this country, except through parental proxy, and apparently all the parents in this town have the school superintendent's balls slapping against their chins. Schools got away with "Zero Tolerance" using a small number of school shootings as a pretense. Now we'll see what they can get away with using their increased FUD powers under the War on Terrorism(tm). These administrators need to be gutted and their heads posted in public view as a warning to others. ----- DUNLAP, Ill. -- One by one, the subjects were led into a room and hooked up to a polygraph machine. The purpose: to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed. Seven of the 10 students who submitted to the lie detector exams -- all of them football players -- flunked the questioning last month and were barred from competing in the first round of the state playoffs. Some of their parents wept when they learned their children had lied to them. Dunlap High went to extraordinary lengths to get to the bottom of what was otherwise a routine case of teen-agers getting into trouble. School Superintendent Bill Collier said it was the right thing to do to sort the guilty from the innocent: "It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the fairest way." The investigation began after police broke up a party Oct. 6. Nobody was arrested, but officers took down the names of everyone present and traced the registration of all cars parked there. Their list of 15 athletes was turned over to school officials. Three students admitted guilt when confronted. But many others claimed that they had left the party as soon as they realized alcohol was present. So school officials proposed the polygraphs. Two students were suspended from the team after refusing to take the test, and seven more were suspended after flunking. Collier pointed out that three students were cleared who might otherwise have been punished. "For these three kids, this worked exactly the way it is supposed to work," he said. Dunlap High went on to lose the Oct. 27 playoff game 28-7. Mike Griffith, a policy analyst for the Education Commission of the States in Denver, said he has never heard of a school using polygraphs in such a way, and he called it an extreme measure. "But in the end," he said, "if the parents don't file a complaint and the school district is satisfied, it's a done deal." Matt Jones, an attorney who represented the students who took the polygraphs and their parents, said a lawsuit is unlikely, but parents may try to pressure the school board into changing its policy regarding parties. The students' names were not released by the school or Jones. Jones said the suspended players -- most of them starters -- had greater concerns than the outcome of the game. "Part of the disappointment is the public scrutiny and having their parents disappointed in them," the lawyer said. "With most of them, it's not about their participation but because they let down their team." Some in this central Illinois town of about 1,000 people 12 miles north Peoria have been openly critical of school officials. "You would think they have better things to do," said Mark Wade, a 1979 Dunlap High graduate. Wade said the drinking policy existed when he was in high school, and athletes and others were sometimes questioned about their weekend activities. He said students sometimes lied, and their answers were accepted; nobody gave them a polygraph. "That wouldn't have washed. The parents wouldn't have stood for it," he said. Collier and Jones said that before each polygraph session, held at the school board's offices, the students and their parents were taken aside. The students were asked to describe their actions that night. Before the examinations began, the parents were asked to leave to eliminate distractions. Afterward, the polygraph examiner went over results with the students and their parents. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them and the school. The superintendent said getting the truth was more important than a football playoff game. "I do know kids and adults can't continue to tell lies," he said. "Parents need to do more communicating with their kids on real-life issues and find out what they're doing on weekends." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Uncle Sam Wants You...To think what he manipulates you into thinking.
by Matthew Gaylor 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

<http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0111/03/cg.00.html> Note from Matthew Gaylor: An ongoing interest of mine is the use of propaganda to shape public perceptions. CNN's Capital Gang Bob Novak has a fascinating observation that fewer Americans joined the US military in Sept. 2001 than did in Sept. 2000. It may prove too difficult not getting swept into the tsunami surge of patriotic war fever- But it is vital that we recognize governmental media manipulation when it occurs- And let me tell you it happens often. And Margaret Carlson, the syndicated columnist, whom I seldom agree with, is on target this time with a choice observation on Pat Robertson. Interesting Outrages Via CNN's Capital Gang 11-03-01: >SHIELDS: And now for the "Outrage of the Week." In the days >following the September 11 massacre of civilians, the airwaves and >the newspapers repeatedly told us of military recruitment centers >filled with young Americans eager and ready to join the Army, the >Navy, Air Force and the Marine Corps. Not for the first time, the >press had it wrong. In fact, with the nation under attack and the >country's economy in recession, fewer Americans volunteered to join >the United States military in September of 2001 than did one year >earlier in September 2000 -- Bob Novak. >CARLSON: Yes. Recently, Pat Robertson told viewers, quote, "we have >not yet seen the Lord's judgment on America." I wonder what the Lord >would think of Robertson's Freedom Gold company, partly owned by >Liberia's President Charles Taylor. Besides torturing and gang >raping anyone who criticizes his corrupt regime, Taylor has armed >the Sierra Leone rebels, who in 1999 alone reaped some $75 million >from diamond sales to Osama bin Laden. Robertson's aide told the >"Post's" Colby King that he was just trying to spur economic >activity and spread the gospel. What gospel would that be? Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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