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Re: Anonymizing Scam
by Faustine 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nomen wrote: >Rather than make accusations about other people, why not eliminate the >middleman and make accusations about yourself? End your hypocrisy. Say, >"I may be sucking up to law enforcement agencies. I may be recording >people's browsing habits and supplying them to interested parties, >with appropriate compensation. I am not deserving of trust, in fact I >may be concealing betrayal. I don't have a problem with this at all: a symmetric lack of trust the most honest basis for a relationship there is. Wouldn't you rather associate with sharp-witted people who are on the ball than gullible quibblers fretting over at what point they get to suspend their critical faculties and give you a free pass in the name of comraderie? Trust is overrated. Anyone who asks for it without earning it is either a fool or a huckster. Either way, asking for it is a sure sign it shouldn't be given. Where do you imagine the term "confidence artist" came from, anyway. > Nothing I have done in the past should be >interpreted in any way to assume that I will not change in the future >and begin selling out my friends and those who rely on me." >You believe that this is the attitude we should take towards you, don't >you? Why not come forward and say it. If you don't think we should >trust you, say so. If you don't think you deserve our trust, admit it. So be it: Whatever I have to say about it is quite irrelevant--it shouldn't be my place to do your thinking for you. What you do trumps what you say every time, so it's really a non-issue. If you don't know enough about what I do to decide for yourself, what possible difference could my reassuring you what a good little girl I really am make. So no, I don't want your blind trust at all. >You don't need to search out other people's flaws when your own are so >much closer at hand. Where's the flaw in saying trust should be more than an empty word. ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPAP/lvg5Tuca7bfvEQKmpACgsd/w68mGGcmQbxSt0R5tlCV9IZEAn2xT VC68ga3/VMWQFpTQ6v1RUcnZ =KJYg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Bombastic conservative demands that DOJ censor usqueers.com
by Declan McCullagh 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

I suppose if some of the more vocal cypherpunks subscribers were to forward their messages to Mr. John B. Thompson, he might be persuaded to denounce this list in a letter to Ashcroft too. ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> -----

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Waxing celebrities
by mattd 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Your a quick study bill,only I dont see your operation soft drill dollar.ANTE UP. "...the networkeffect, a conceptual corollary to Metcalfe's Law (Bob Metcalfe invented Ethernet) - the value of a network grows in proportion to the square of its number of users. This implies that if we double the Web's user base, we quadruple the overall usefulness of the system for all." I did double the OSD user base once with assistant secretary of mass murder and heroin smuggling,dick armitrage.

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by HotGuyNDal55830＠qvy.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

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FC: Dorothy Denning on "geo-encryption":
by mattd 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Ive gone on record at indymedia when the tampa facescan story broke that I suspect the whole star wars thing is about placing lasers next to the hi-res optics (a la 'patriot games',remember the shot looking down on cleavage from outer space?) The laser will be able to fry individual citizen-units.What else would they waste all that money on?If they want to shoot down rougue ICBMs ,then they could scale up the new aussi gun that was featured in wired recently.As im cherrypicking the archives I came across jims likening of Dotty to the wicked witch of the west,peter F macDoran might be her latest flying monkee.

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FC: Has McAfee sided with FBI on "Magic Lantern" detection?
by mattd 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

With virus scan as product they dont need any stinking FIB virus.Im browsing the archives before the big blackout and found a prediction for 'PUFF' ...). I bet the NSA is doing active research on sniffer viruses and other automated tools for large scale active attacks. Wei Dai jan 96 Suggest cherrypick and store selected posts from the archives,the rolling shitstorms coming.

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Waxing celebrities
by mattd 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

What do tom cruise,jenna elfman,john travolta and kirsty alley need that only we can supply? Talk about a 'sweet spot' for well armed paparazzi.They also fly a lot."Id buy that for a dollar" "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months."

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Re: Anonymizing Scam
by Nomen Nescio 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

John Young writes: > Criticism of anonymizers and remailers and this list is a healthy > as criticizing any reputable, and disreputable, private or publice > means of communication. > > Fending off criticism by saying past performance and reputation > deserves trust is a hoot and is also a hackneyed reply of someone > who is concealing betrayal, or to put it more politely, has not > yet learned how to earn trust continuously rather than bank it > for unearned profit. These are good points, but the mystery is why you don't apply them to yourself. Why not challenge your own reputation and trustworthiness? You are no better than Lance Cottrell, are you? You serve law enforcement agencies as well as private individuals. You are in much the same position as Lance to learn about sensitive browsing habits which would be of interest to the government. You are no more deserving of trust than he or anyone else. Rather than make accusations about other people, why not eliminate the middleman and make accusations about yourself? End your hypocrisy. Say, "I may be sucking up to law enforcement agencies. I may be recording people's browsing habits and supplying them to interested parties, with appropriate compensation. I am not deserving of trust, in fact I may be concealing betrayal. Nothing I have done in the past should be interpreted in any way to assume that I will not change in the future and begin selling out my friends and those who rely on me." You believe that this is the attitude we should take towards you, don't you? Why not come forward and say it. If you don't think we should trust you, say so. If you don't think you deserve our trust, admit it. You don't need to search out other people's flaws when your own are so much closer at hand.

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by Timothy Eze 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

PRIVATE MEMO FROM: ENGR. TIMOTHY EZE TEL: 234-1-7758054 FAX: 234-1-7594679 E-mail: timoeze_72(a)yahoo.com LAGOS-NIGERIA. Dear Friend, My name is Engr. Timothy Eze, a Director General in the Federal Ministry of Mines and Power (FMM&P). I am the Secretary to the Management Tender's Committee (MTC) of the ministry. I am a subscriber to the World Industrial Reporter from where I collected your name and address in the International buyer's guide section In a turn Around Maintenance (TAM) exercise in one of our parastatal a couple of years ago by Foreign contractors, we (the MTC members) were able to over -invoice the contract fees to the tune of US$35.00M (Thirty Five million United States dollars). The main contractors have been paid off completely. We now want this floating sum of US$35M, which is now in the ministry's account to be paid into a foreign account. Unfortunately, none of us in the committee own a foreign account since as public servants we are not allowed to run foreign accounts. My colleagues (Chairman and other members) have mandated me to source for an account owner in an overseas bank where this money can be lodged. The choice person must be honest and versatile in business, as we shall be presenting him as though he executed a certain contract here in this ministry several years ago. We shall then use our various post and positions in the Government to influence the processing of this claim. MODE OF SHARING: We have agreed that when this fund is transferred into your account, the chairman and the other members of this committee shall come over there to disburse the funds as follows: 30% to the account owner (that is you), 65% to the MTC members and 5% to settle any expense incurred by both parties during the process of the transaction. This transaction is strictly confidential and risk free. The officials of (FMMP) involved are highly placed Nigerians. Kindly notify me urgently of your acceptance to this proposal so that we can set the ball rolling. It is expected that this transaction will last for 14 days from the time we get your acceptance letter through our fax: 234-1-7594679 or telephone call on: 234-1-7758054 or via e-mail. That is an opportunity of a lifetime, which we cannot afford to lose. Upon your response we shall write you a more elaborate mail/fax message educating you on your role in this deal and the way we intend going about the actualization of this objective. We shall also be explaining more about the source of this fund. So sir, please do get back to us immediately even if you are not interested to enable us know if we should continue with our negotiations or not. I am waiting for your urgent phone/fax/mail messages with respect to this transaction. Thanks, Timothy Eze. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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cypherpunks@toad.com is going away
by John Gilmore 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

The cypherpunks list degenerated a long time ago to the point where I have no idea why more than 500 people are still receiving it every day. As part of cleaning up the email system on toad.com, I plan to shut down the cypherpunks-unedited list, which receives all the traffic sent to cypherpunks(a)toad.com, within the next week or two. I suggest that anyone who wants to talk or listen about encryption should send mail to: cryptography-request(a)wasabisystems.com with a one-line plain text message saying "subscribe". This will begin the process of subscribing them to the Cryptography mailing list, which is edited to remove irrelevant postings and to keep the volume down and the discussion focused. (I tried to do this with the cypherpunks list some years ago, but was shouted down by people who complained of "censorship". So I just left it unedited, with the expectable result that serious discussions deserted it.) If you were subscribed to the cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com list because you like to collect spam, talk with me personally and I'll see if I can help you. I have a large collection :-). The old "cypherpunks-announce" list was superseded many months ago by "meetingpunks(a)cryptorights.org". Cypherpunks-announce is no longer in existence. There remains a single encryption-related mailing list on toad.com, "coderpunks" which is for people who write code. John Gilmore --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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