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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case
by Sunder 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Ok, show of hands.... Who here claims to be a member of CACL? Ok, of those who claim to be members of CACL's, who claims to be a self-appointed CACL genius? Tim? Declan? Anyone? ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Gil Hamilton wrote: > > > It's interesting to note how much more pleasant Choate was in his > > early days on the list. In those days, he was not so intent on > > showing everyone that he was an authority on all possible subjects. > > That was before I knew what kind of sharks swim in this pool. You don't > like my interaction then change yours. I treat you people the way you > treated me back then. I didn't start it. Go talk to Tim, Delcan, and the > rest of the self-appointed CACL geniuses. > > You reap what you sow. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. > > Bumper Sticker > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > --------------------------------------------------------------------

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ok, you win... please help
by The Silence Booking 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Ok, i am not gonna reply with a mean reply. I hope you can understand what is going on. Let me please explain, and mabey you can help me. I have four emails I use to book bands for my business, these are the emails: TheSilentBooking(a)yahoo.com TheSilentmusic(a)Yahoo.com TheSilenceKills(a)yahoo.com TheArmyOfSilence(a)yahoo.com Now, as of about a week ago, mabey less, i started to recieve stuff from CDR: Mailing list. Now, again, i woulnt have a problem with you sending me mabey a mailer aday, but, i am getting over 60 emails in my inbox. Just this morning, i had 132 emails in this email alone, which overloaded my yahoo account. I have looked at the Unscribing methods, and on my fathers grave I have. I have tried everything to be removed.I get replied with "Unscribe No Reconized". Now, for one, i just want this to please stop. I dont know how i got on her, mabey someone is playing a joke on me, I dont know, and they added me? but, again, all my emails are getting these CDR: replies. What can i do to have this stop, Again , i have tried what you said and its not working. I dont want any trouble from you, honestly, i just want to get back to business. My emails is the only way i communicate over the country with clubs and bookers and bands. If you can give me step my step instruction, that would help. mabey i am a moron, but, i do need some help here. Best Regards, Steve Juliano ===== MSM Management 5713 Harco St. Long Beach, CA 90808 Office: (213) 760-2258 Http://www.thesilencemusic.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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gezerolee for a french
by JACQUELLE jean-louis 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

hello i would like to know where i can find "gezerolee box v1.01" thank you

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Re: CNN.com on Remailers
by Faustine 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: "Faustine" <faustine(a)lokmail.net> > My point was that without constitutional protection, it would be >infinitely easier for innocent people and arbitrarily-determined thought >-criminal"enemies of the state" to be shot right along with the real >criminals. In America as it exists today, the Constitution is the only thing > that stands in the way of full-scale repression in the name of "security". Be > careful what you wish for, that's all. >I bet FBI agents have nightmares. At least those involved in the Waco and >Ruby Ridge cases. I think they were unable to sleep at night, dreaming of a >piece of paper jumping between them and their victims and threatening to... >whatever. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them did have nightmares about the Constitution. Not as a piece of paper dancing around on Mickey Mouse legs or whatever the hell you're getting at, but as an idea repersenting the rule of law that was going to lead to them being jailed for murder. Which unfortunately never happened, but so it goes. >Has anyone EVER saw the Constitution stand in any place, let alone "in the >way of full-scale represion"? People with guns do that, not paper. Why do I >have to repeat something this obvious? >(No, "it was a metaphor" doesn't cut it. It was a dumb metaphor. Next time >you're arguing something, get rid of metaphors. As an exercise, try >rephrasing what you said above without using any. Forget about >"constitutional protection" or "Constitution standing in the way". Try to >make sense.) I'm sure anyone who speaks English as a first language didn't find it odd or have a problem understanding such a common expression. It's an idiom, not a metaphor. Your English is generally great, but you might want to have a look at various online ESL dictionaries of idiomatic usage if you have time, it probably would make things a little easier for you here. The language issue might also explain why you missed my original point. No hard feelings; I'd rather talk about issues than quibble over this sort of thing anyday. I'm sure if I were trying to do this in French or German instead, I'd be having the same sort of trouble myself. So here's hoping miscommunication doesn't -->stand in the way of<-- getting on with a perfectly interesting thread. ;) ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA+AwUBPB5Ihfg5Tuca7bfvEQJIBQCY7nWZVLTeUGSRNf3LSXr8TuJW4ACfbJ/2 v2A0B+jivjwGgDMnbsgpeXQ= =VLKD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Ben Xain 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

On 19 December 2001, Peter Trei wrote: >> Ben Xain[SMTP:bxain@redneck.gacracker.org] >> In fact, spammers currently *do* send mail encrypted to the remailers' >> keys. It's a pain in the ass trying to filter the damn stuff out. >First I've heard that. Frankly, I'm suprised. > >One solution, which I've long advocated, is for the remailer to drop mail >which has an unencrypted body after it's applied it's decryption key. > >Provided this is an announced policy, substantially increases the >protection of the mail and the remop. It does mean that only people >capable of using encryption can receive mail via the remailer, but >that's probably a *good* thing. I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. It would eliminate or reduce the anonymous remailer's usefulness for posting to newsgroups and mailing lists. Add to that the concept of some anonymous remailer users being informants or corporate whistle-blowers, who will often be contacting law enforcement or media officials and won't have access to public keys for encryption. Instead, it would be a good idea for remailers to find some other means of filtering spam. There are some great tools out there that might be useful for this, such as nilsimsa. Ben Xain bxain(a)redneck.gacracker.org

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RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Sunder 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Last I heard, neither MAE East, nor MAE West were ever dragged into court on co-conspiritor charges just because packets from some German hacker kid hopped through their Cisco's. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > If I were a remailer operator, I'm not sure I'd like this. Active > > cooperation with another remaler operator means that if > > he/she/it does something illegal, you could be dragged in > > How is this different from the current situation? Is usage of a specific > mainstream protocol sufficient protection from conspiracy charges? Joe Bob > Postfixuser is hardly a remailer operator. > > > on 'conspiracy' charges, regardless whether you actually > > had any knowledge of the the other operators nefarious > > activities. > > -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org > 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3

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Academic freedom dead in Fla
by Khoder bin Hakkin 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011219/ts/attacks_professor_1.html Wednesday December 19 12:19 PM ET South Fla. Professor May Be Fired By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - University of South Florida's trustees agreed Wednesday a Palestinian professor linked to known terrorists should be fired for disrupting university operations. Sami al-Arian, a tenured computer science professor at the public university, has been the subject of continuous death threats because of his support for anti-Israeli interests. Al-Arian's appearance on a national television talk show after the Sept. 11 attacks prompted a stream of threats against him and the university. Al-Arian has been on paid leave as a security risk since, but in recent weeks his continued employment has prompted alumni and university donors to withdraw their support, university President Judy Genshaft said. Genshaft has the power to dismiss Al-Arian and has advocated the move, but she sought guidance from the trustees before proceeding. The next step would be a letter of notice of the pending dismissal that would give him 10 days to respond. Al-Arian, who has been at the school since 1986, was not immediately available for comment, according to staffers at an Islamic school and community center that he runs. The recommendation prompted concern that academic freedom was being threatened and Al-Arian was being fired because of his unpopular views. Al-Arian once headed an academic think tank on Islamic issues, World and Islam Studies Enterprises, later connected to fund raising for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. His brother-in-law, Mazen al-Najjar was jailed for three years on secret evidence as a threat to national security. The think tank was raided by the FBI (news - web sites) in 1995 and its assets were frozen. Another former head of the think tank, Ramadan Abdulah Shallah, left it in 1995 and resurfaced as the head of a terrorist organization, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Al-Arian has never been detained or charged with a crime, but the institute and a related charity for Palestinians had been accused by the FBI and Immigration and Naturalization Service agents of being a fund-raising front for terrorists. He was videotaped at some of the institute conferences a decade ago rallying the crowd with shouts of ``death to Israel.'' He now says he was making a political statement regarding the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and what he considers Israeli oppression, not advocating deaths of people. Al-Arian appeared on a Sept. 26 segment of Fox News Channel's ``The O'Reilly Factor'' and was questioned about his links to known terrorists as the television screen displayed the university's logo. A barrage of threats by telephone and e-mail the next day forced university police to shut down the computer science department where Al-Arian worked, a day later he was banned from campus.

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19 Dec '01

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Re: Digital Angel gets under the skin after all
by Michael Motyka 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

"Roy M. Silvernail" <roy(a)scytale.com> wrote : > >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-121901chips.story > >Applied Digital Solutions is pursuing the implantable chip after all. >It's not the GPS-trackable unit yet, but more like the doggie chips. >The L.A. Times story says it holds "up to 60 words" in one place, >and "several sentences of information" in another. > >Interesting that they plan to be to market in South America in 90 >days (because of fewer required regulatory permissions). They say >they expect FDA and FCC approval here by midyear. > >Anyone want to get barcoded? > No thanks. In defenerence to historical precendent I would prefer a tatoo on my forearm. I would tolerate an updated version that consisted of 10 hex digits - in deference to the modern computer re-evolution. They're warming the ovens... >-- >Roy M. Silvernail > Mike

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RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Trei, Peter 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

> Ben Xain[SMTP:bxain@redneck.gacracker.org] > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: > > > Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to > > > the remailer's key? > > > In fact, spammers currently *do* send mail encrypted to the remailers' > keys. It's a pain in the ass trying to filter the damn stuff out. > > Ben Xain > bxain(a)redneck.gacracker.org > First I've heard that. Frankly, I'm suprised. One solution, which I've long advocated, is for the remailer to drop mail which has an unencrypted body after it's applied it's decryption key. Provided this is an announced policy, substantially increases the protection of the mail and the remop. It does mean that only people capable of using encryption can receive mail via the remailer, but that's probably a *good* thing. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================

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