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Battle of Buenos Aires
by mattd 21 Dec '01

21 Dec '01

The Battle for Buenos Aires (english) by Nicolas 10:29pm Thu Dec 20 '01 (Modified on 12:55am Fri Dec 21 '01) First hand account from the Plaza de Mayo Comrades, I have made it back from the battle. I am way to tired to write a complete report, but I will do so tomorrow when I get up. I will however say that these was far beyond anything I have seen before (way beyond Quebec, Goteborg, Genova, etc.). We tried to fight our way to the Plaza de Mayo (where the presidential palace is). Hardest fighting I've ever seen. As the OSL said, it was step by step, meter by meter. Rocks against an unholy amount of gas, rubber bullets, tanks, water hoses, you name it. The cops on occassion ran out. We carried forward our barricades all we could, we got to the corner of the Plaza. I truly thought we would take the presidential palace, and thus fought like it was truly the last battle. Unfortunately, we did not make it. But we fought for 7 hours straight, back and forth. Unbelievable intensity. Amongst the people fighting there was all sorts, from a couple thousand leftists (from our march, which was attacked after only 1 block), to young people who were simply pissed, old workers (people in their 50s and 60s with bandannas and rocks), people in suits and ties straight from work, *everyone* Banks and multinationals were completely destroyed, and very many were completely set alight. Barricades of fire quite literally everywhere (hundreds). As we advanced we blocked every single side street in order to not be attacked from behind. Eventually the looting began, and it was unlike anything Ive ever seen. At one point all sorts of fancy candy was flying through the air (I was sitting across the street and it quite literally rained on me). I am exhausted (this is actually my second straight day of battle, the first was less glorious, as it was for tickets to my soccer teams last game. We can win the championship with only a tie, we havent won in 35 years. 24 hours before the tickets went on sale there was 1o blocks of people waiting. In the morning all hell broke loose, the stadium fences were toppled and it was a total stampede. People fainting from the pressure of so many people piled together, women crying, hardcore fans giving up saying they didnt want to die for a ticket. I was in there for one hour, almost fainting, my friends gave up, I was pushed against the wall, couldnt breathe, almost vomited, got dizzy, but finally got them and collapsed as soon as I got out. We take our soccer quite seriously, and this game, which because of this has been pushed back a week, is actually why I am currently in Argentina), and still in awe. I have a lot of comments to make, as well as a full report of what I saw, but it will be tomorrow. For the record, 4 people died during the battle. This makes the death toll of the last 3/4 days 20 people. Also, the president has resigned, there was once again massive looting today. There are about 1200 people arrested. Rumors of 2 dead cops (I myself saw somebody run off with two police shirts). I had taken pictures but at one point, as I was backtracking I walked straight into a barricade of fire! Naturally, this quickly burned my legs very badly. I have a fair amount of blisters and cuts (I must have jumped about two meters in the air, I thought my clothes were on fire). But it was there that I lost my camera (I think.) Nicolas argentina.indymedia.org

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by ingmar heiner 21 Dec '01

21 Dec '01

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21 Dec '01

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Lynx fraud
by Major Variola (ret) 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

At 10:23 AM 12/21/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >The officials planted three separate samples of Canadian lynx >hair on rubbing posts used to identify existence of the creatures in the >two national forests. DNA testing of two of the samples matched that of a >lynx living inside an animal preserve. The third DNA sample matched that of >an escaped pet lynx being held in a federal office until its owner >retrieved it, federal officials said.<< > >Knights gambit declined,red Queen to centre.In the AP essay jim says that Despite both your premedicated ability to see connections, even those that aren't there, you both miss the metaphor: they're wanting to prohibit LYNX, a nonMS browser, and the damn furry-eared cat is a scratch monkey.

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Locke and loade.
by mattd 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

John Locke's influence on the english and american revolutions:Arising out of the enlightenment, that period, roughly comparable to the present, with printing standing in for the wwweb,Lockes philosophies rippled out from the tumult of the english civil war that led to the beheading of the king,to the present.Some selections from ...http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/l/locke.htm The constructive doctrines which are elaborated in the second treatise became the basis of social and political philosophy for generations. Labor is the origin and justification of property; contract or consent is the ground of government and fixes its limits. Behind both doctrines lies the idea of the independence of the individual person. The state of nature knows no government; but in it, as in political society, men are subject to the moral law, which is the law of God. Men are born free and equal in rights. Whatever a man "mixes his labour with" is his to use. Or, at least, this was so in the primitive condition of human life in which there was enough for all and "the whole earth was America." Locke sees that, when men have multiplied and land has become scarce, rules are needed beyond those which the moral law or law of nature supplies. But the origin of government is traced not to this economic necessity, but to another cause. The moral law is always valid, but it is not always kept. In the state of nature all men equally have the right to punish transgressors: civil society originates when, for the better administration of the law, men agree to delegate this function to certain officers. Thus government is instituted by a "social contract"; its powers are limited, and they involve reciprocal obligations; moreover, they can be modified or rescinded by the authority which conferred them. Locke's theory is thus no more historical than Hobbes's. It is a rendering of the facts of constitutional government in terms of thought, and it served its purpose as a justification of the Revolution settlement in accordance with the ideas of the time. His reflections on the rate of interest show the growing disfavor with which appeals for state interference were beginning to be met. He points out the obstacles to trade that are caused when the rate of interest is fixed by law, and he argues in favor of freedom for what he calls, in words which suggest Adam Smith, "the natural interest of money." Money "turns the wheels of trade"; therefore its course should not be stopped. At the same time, he holds no general brief against the interference of the state in matters of commerce; nor is the language of the mercantilist foreign to him. Riches consist in plenty of gold and silver, for these command all the conveniences of life. Now, "in a country not furnished with mines, there are but two ways of growing rich, either conquest or commerce." For us commerce is the only way; and Locke condemns "the amazing politics of some late reigns" which had "let in other competitors with us for the sea." . "The business of laws," he says, is not to provide for the truth of opinions, but for the safety and security of the commonwealth, and of every particular man's goods and person. And so it ought to be. For truth certainly would do well enough, if she were once left to shift for herself. She seldom has received, and I fear never will receive, much assistance from the power of great men, to whom she is but rarely known, and more rarely welcome. She is not taught by laws, nor has she any need of force, to procure her entrance into the minds of men. Errors, indeed, prevail by the assistance of foreign and borrowed succors. But if truth makes not her way into the understanding by her own light, she will be but the weaker for any borrowed force violence can add to her. A church, according to Locke, is "a free and voluntary society"; its purpose is the public worship of God; the value of worship depends on the faith that inspires it: "all the life and power of true religion consists in the inward and full persuasion of the mind;" and these matters are entirely outside the jurisdiction of the civil magistrate. Locke therefore (to use later language) was a voluntary in religion, as he was an individualist on questions of state interference. There is an exception, however, to his doctrine of the freedom of the individual in religious matters. The toleration extended to all others is denied to papists and to atheists; and his inconsistency in this respect has been often and severely criticized. But it is clear that Locke made the exception not for religious reasons but on grounds of state policy. He looked upon the Roman Catholic as dangerous to the public peace because he professed allegiance to a foreign prince; and the atheist was excluded because, on Locke's view, the existence of the state depends upon a contract, and the obligation of the contract, as of all moral law, depends upon the divine will. He held that "the minds of children [are] as easily turned, this way or that, as water itself." He underrated innate differences: "we are born with faculties and powers, capable almost of anything;" and, "as it is in the body, so it is in the mind, practice makes it what it is." Along with this view went a profound conviction of the importance of education, and of the breadth of its aim. It has to fit men for life -- for the world, rather than for the university. Instruction in knowledge does not exhaust it; it is essentially a training of character.

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Sympathy for the devil
by mattd 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

After the cherubim and the seraphim,lou Cipher had to fall for you. You see right through distorted eyes, you know you had to learn, The execution of your mind, you really had to turn. The race is run, the book is read, the end begins to show. The truth is out, the lies are old, but you don't want to know. Nobody will ever let you know, When you ask the reasons why. They just tell you that you're on your own, Fill your head all full of lies. The people who have crippled you, you wanna see them burn. The gates of life have closed on you and there's just no return. You're wishing that the hands of doom could take your mind away. And you don't care if you don't see again the light of day. Nobody will ever let you know, When you ask the reasons why. They just tell you that you're on your own, Fill your head all full of lies. You bastards! Where can you run to? What more can you do? No more tomorrow; life is killing you. Dreams turn to nightmares, heaven turns to hell. Burns out confusion, nothing more to tell. Yeah. Ev'rything around you, what's it coming to? God knows as your dog knows;Bog blast all of you. Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, nothing more to do. Living just for dying, dying just for you Yeah.

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Fw: Israeli compromise of U.S. telecommunications?
by mattd 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

>>, by giving critical > capabilities to foreign entities... > Such as the stolen INSLAW software known as PROMIS thats been used in Occupied Palestine,Guatamala and the old south africa to select targets for death squads.Why do people OS want to kill US?

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nymserv released under GPL
by Keith Ray 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

----- Forwarded message from David Mazieres <dm(a)scs.cs.nyu.edu> ----- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: David Mazieres <dm(a)scs.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: Re: Nym server code license To: erik@aarg.net,aphex@nullify.org Okay, I just added a GPL license to the software. If you email/finger <source(a)nym.alias.net> to get the latest version, you will see my copyright on the file. David ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Im mad as hell and Im not going to take it anymore!"
by mattd 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

Last Night in Buenos Aires Argentina. My Personal Experience (english) by I'd rather be anonymous 11:49am Thu Dec 20 '01 (Modified on 1:56pm Thu Dec 20 '01) Last nights protest and how they felt, personal report. I was watching television, seeing the lootings and the uprisings in the country interior. Suddenly the president appeared on the screen.. he talked about differentiating between the criminals and the needy. He spoke quietly almost elegantly trying to sound in charge. He said he had announced today the state of siege. I knew that it is uncostitutional in Argentina for the president to declare an state of siege, only the congress can do that. I was disgusted and I turned off the TV. I started hearing a sound.. very quiet sound but growing.. I went to the balcony of my apartment, looked out.. people on every balcony banging pots and caceroles, the sound got louder and louder.. it was a roar.. and it wasn't going to stop. I saw some people on the corner of the street I live.. no more than 10.. I put on a shirt and went down.. It was strange, and exciting, on every corner I could see people were gathering. Small groups. This is a comfortable middle class neighbourhood.. but everybody's been fucked by what's going on... and it's been going on for far too long. On the corner of the next street people had went and started gathering on the middle of the streets. Banging spoons against caceroles, waving flags.. in a few minutes we were something like 150 persons.. we started walking.. nobody seemed to knew were we were going or what was gonna happen.. an hour had gone by since the bangings started and the noise wasn't stopping, coming from every corner of the city. As we walked people where joining us, it was exciting.. almost manic. The feeling of regaining your own power. People from all walks of life where there.. I looked back and suddenly this spontaneus manifestation was a couple of blocks long.. and I could see that we were joing other spontaneus groups coming from other streets. I could see people in suits and people in working uniforms. I could see young girls in nice clothes and senior citizens in old clothes. I could see the small businessman who is suffering from higher and higher taxes and it's about to loss his house from his bank loans and the young man who has been excluded by the system and couldn't get a job for 4 years. Everybody was represented. It was amazing.. People cheered from the balconies.. small pieces of shreded paper falling slowly to the streets.. singing, banging, marching. When I got to the congress a couple of thousand people where allready there.. and I could see people coming in from every corner.. It felt like a party. The Flags waving, the chants, the clapping. A guy on the top of the stairs lighted some sort of smoke light.. pink smoke all over the place.. I looked around, don't know why but I started feeling tense.. people kept on coming and we started marching to the casa rosada. Things didn't feel exciting anymore.. it felt tenser and tenser.. I could see some fire on the street ahead.. A small trashcan on fire.. I kept on walking.. some people where quietly singing and clapping but I saw other small fires.. I had entered a column that come from a tougher neighboorhood than mine. I don't blame them.. they've been fucked way harder than anybody else.. and hunger breeds anger. This young guy was about to bang a stick against a street sign, this thirtiesh guy, skinny and dressed in really old jeans and shirt, holding a young girl on his arms, said something to him.. The young man looked back, he saw the columns of people. I could catch this phrase from the skinny guy "Look at how many we are".. I looked back.. I saw and felt what I felt at the beggining.. everybody was there, everybody was represented.. we were too many. The guy threw away the stick. When I got to Plaza de Mayo. A couple thousands were there.. and they kept and kept on coming.. It was weird.. people started coming in on cars.. as well as marching. Young people, old people, families.. the people.The plaza was half full and the columns kept on coming.. I walked around. Amazed. Still quite surprised of being there. I was on the back thinking that not many days you go to the balcony to check the noises coming from the streets and you end up being a witness to a presidential deposition by social uprising. Suddenly I was pushed in the back by somebody.. when I regained balance I saw people running away.. Somebody was yelling "Sons of bitches" right next to me.. out of instinct I started running with them.. I ran half a block.. stopped and look back.. I saw thousands and thousands of people running.. I kept on running but looked back from time to time. I asked somebody what's going on.. he just runned.. somebody passing me was saying something about the police.. couldn't quite understand.. my nose started itching.. I looked back.. in the plaza, 500 meters back, I could see smoke.. I looked at people's eyes.. they were redenning... my throat hurt.. I ran. I looked back.. people were going off in all directions but away from the plaza.. the smoke got higher and higher I took of my shirt and covered my nose and mouth.. my eyes itched.. I got pretty far.. looked around.. this guy on a Miami Florida t-shirt.. absolutely middle class. said he now understood what the piqueteros felt. I kept on walking.. heading for my home.. I suddenly realized I was crying. I didn't knew if it was from the lacrimogic gases or from impotence and anger.

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