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Slashdot | FBI, Pentagon Talk to MS about XP Hole
by Jim Choate 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

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Re: Hillary style health plan to save US
by anonymous＠coward.org 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

mattd wrote: > AU has a national health scheme,I used it to have a graft on my eardrum > several years back.Didnt cost a cent. > There are gaps in the system such as long waiting lists and poor dental > cover,its also under pressure from the economic > 'rationalists' esp in the liberal party.The only reason I mention such a > creation of the hated state is that it could soon be a matter of life or > death for many septic tanks.The foot and mouth outbreak in Britain would > have been nipped in the bud a lot quicker had computerized tags been > used.There's some scrambling around now in the US to shore up sagging > public health infrastructure.What's probably really needed is something > like I seem to remember Lady C proposing.I'm boosting 2 things here that > on the surface may seem anathema to anarchists.IDs for all and > socialized medicine. Am I wrong to? YES, you are. The aims don't justify the means (initiatory-force regulation of healthcare which is what will happen). Besides that you're not going to reach the aims anyways. Look at what is happening on europe: all insurances are forced on the government standard -- politicians dictate what medicine should be used, prohibiting expensive and alternative products and therapies. The REAL price ultimately includes governmentalisation and bureauratization of practiced medicine. People have to pay more and more for public healthcare tax because the public insurance (and the gov's healthcare standard to which all insurances have to adhere) isn't rentable. Public healthcare was Hillary's masterpiece of economic destruction back then. Be happy that it didn't come to it. Please don't fall for those lawyer-type destructions and antiindivdualistic intrusions for Mrs C's often-cited, very own "social good".

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book
by mattd 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

>>Bought a copy of True Names and read it last night. Great story, especially considering the date. The first net-fi I read was Neuromancer in '84. Im yet to have the pleasure of either,Does 'Billion dollar brain",by len Deighton squeeze into the genre? >>R. Stallman's Right to Read short story is sickeningly close to reality. I don't care one way or the other if Microsoft patents and creates an OS that does DRM but I do care about having it forced down my throat at the hands of congressvermin and corporations which, as I see it, is practically a certainty.<< They are patenting our DNA,the freeTM market is a very strict mistress.MS and its precious code is now listed as a security risk. The wisdom of insecurity by watts,springs to mind."when you can snatch the source code from my fingers..." Dont knock corporations here mike, jamesd will be on your case like a latter day roy cohn.Tims freeper hatchet man. >>Tim's essay was mostly the familiar stuff, nicely organized and presented. The style was almost academic but I notice he did slip one "spokesvermin" reference in there<< Tim says jya should not be seen as representative of this list.Ill take him over timmy anyday.Tim May is well past his useby date.The familiar stuff deconstructs into lame self mythologizing,dead data and puff pieces on cyber-liberty. Academic in the use of jargon,obscurantist verbiage,pretentious drivel,reactionary nonsense?I'm not surprised. >>So, Tim, we seem to have raced closer if not past the fork in the road, especially since September. Recalling Yogi Berra's "when you come to the fork in the road, take it", have we taken it? And if so which path? Tim May: Deja vu all over again.Verbal contracts not worth the paper they're written on,etc...Fork off tim. >>The fork analogy may be too simple. The natural path for a vital culture is the crypto-anarchist path. The path of increasing state control is the natural path for the maintenance and accumulation of power. We all see the forces in operation, it's pretty much the topic 24/7. I think the forces that bind this mess together increase with distance, the more free the net becomes the greater the perceived threat and the desire to reign it in. The tighter the controls the greater the desire to break free. On each side there are those for whom compromise is unacceptable. In the middle are the nearly oblivious masses who can with varying degrees of success be swayed one way or the other from time to time. Fear seems to be their main motivator. << 30% of the pop may support the revolution,30% may oppose it,the rest are on the fence.The way to leverage relatively small no's through anonymity and the web is to use AP to defend and extend the web."the net is closing in"and not just on bin laden.What anarchy? Why die for timmy mays casper milquetoast version when the real things on the streets. Alternatively,lie low,stay anon,the state of grace is quad anon.Both will be needed.Mays cod anarchism will not. Fear is the key and the only thing to fear is fear itself."extremely dark markets'should not be feared.Viva anarchy! >>Rather than making a choice and following any single path we are following two concurrent and divergent paths and the energy level is increasing. We are headed for a period of escalation. It's definitely a new 'War on Drugs' scenario, just as dangerous, just as futile and just as sustainable. Mike << Who's this "we",whiteman? After prohibition 2,vietnam 2,bush 2 its time for civil war 2.The coasts march on crawford and liberate the chicago and minnesota communes.In the dreamtime of one persyn who's been down the other side of the mountain and knows the world can live out the true meaning of this creed,"Liberty without socialism is privilege,injustice;Socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." Bakunin: Sustainable is as sustainable does.

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Danny Glover Under Attack by Oliver North
by mattd 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

Danny Glover Under Attack by Oliver North et al (english) by popopo 12:15am Sat Dec 22 '01 (Modified on 3:18am Sat Dec 22 '01) because he is against the death penalty and that is being used to target him in another one of these right-wing smear campaigns the country is so fond of right now. Subject: Fwd: FW: Danny Glover Under Attack ---------- From: Juliette Beck <juliette(a)globalexchange.org (by way of Mark Ingles) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:57:28 -0800 From: "Fran Korten" <fkorten(a)futurenet.org Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:07:25 -0800 Subject: Danny Glover Under Attack Dear member of the State of the Possible community, Here's a message to act on and to send on to your networks. Danny Glover, actor, activist, and board member of the Positive Futures Network, has been coming under a hailstorm of attacks based on an incident following a speech he gave at Princeton on November 16. This is not just about Danny. It's about all of us. As Danny noted in his speech "When we fear, we clamp down on those who do not think like us or who do not look like us." We see that happening everywhere, as our leaders look for total support for their military agenda and view dissent as unpatriotic. As we enter this McCarthyesque period, I think we are all called upon to be more courageous, more articulate in our views, and more supportive of one another. HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED TO DANNY On November 16, at the invitation of the local Amnesty International chapter, Danny gave a speech about the death penalty to a packed auditorium at Princeton University. Danny is well known for his opposition to the death penalty. He pointed out that 98 death row inmates have recently been released after new evidence demonstrated their innocence. He also noted the racial bias in the system in which 43 percent of 741 executed prisoners were African Americans. His speech was received enthusiastically by a sympathetic audience. After the close of the speech, when many had already left the auditorium, a young man questioned Danny in such racist language that the remaining audience booed the questioner. Danny signaled for quiet, saying we need to listen to all. The questioner accused Danny of "playing the victim" and suggested he go back and fix his own communities rather than blame racism. He also wanted to know if Danny would extend his opposition to the death penalty to Osama bin Laden. Danny affirmed his opposition to the death penalty, period. The provocative exchange continued, with Danny noting that America has been a key purveyor of violence in this world. Danny also voiced his objections to the military tribunals that President Bush has created. These comments have elicited a hailstorm of outrage. For two weeks The Trentonian newspaper ran angry comments suggesting that if Danny didn't love this country he should leave it -- and worse. Oliver North broadcast the story across the country on his Radio America show, provoking hundreds of hate-filled calls to Danny's agency in Los Angeles. North urged his audience to boycott The Royal Tenenbaums -- a movie to be released in late December in which Danny stars along with Gwyneth Paltrow, Gene Hackman, Anjelica Huston, Ben Stiller, Bill Murray, and others. In Modesto, California, the controversy caused the City Council to pull out of sponsoring Danny as the featured speaker for the celebration of Martin Luther King Day. Fortunately, the local planning committee for the event has maintained their invitation and Danny plans to speak. According to the Modesto Bee, "John Lucas, president of the Modesto Peace Life Center, one of the sponsors, noted that King himself was controversial and criticized the Vietnam War. Lucas does not think Glover's views are much different from those King might have had if he were alive today. 'The interesting thing I find is that Martin Luther King wouldn't be invited to his own event,'" he said. WHAT YOU CAN DO Those who would stifle dissent are quick to express their opinions and target anyone who takes a larger view of patriotism. We too must be ready to respond quickly in our vigilant defense of real democracy. **MODESTO: Show support for Danny -- and for free speech -- in Modesto. If you know anyone around that area, urge them to attend! Danny will speak on Saturday, January 19 at 7:00 p.m. at the Christ Unity Baptist Church at 1320 L St. in Modesto (Call the Peace Life Center for further information: 209/529-5750). Fax the Modesto City Council at 209/571-5586 or write them at Modesto City Council, P.O. Box 642, Modesto CA 94341 saying you support free speech and disagree with their decision to pull their backing for Danny's appearance at the MLK Day activities. **THE MOVIE: Here's an easy one. See the Royal Tenenbaums -- don't let Ollie North's call for a boycott depress the box office. **MLK Day. Let's celebrate Martin Luther King Day with an extra measure of clarity about his courage in consistently urging this nation to live up to its ideals of democracy, freedom, and peace. **SUPPORT EACH OTHER. Let's look for every opportunity to support one another. What happened to Danny is happening to many others. This is a time for courage and mutual support. Fran Frances F. Korten, Executive Director The Positive Futures Network, publisher of YES! magazine P.O. Box 10818, Bainbridge Island, WA 98110 206/842-0216 fkorten(a)futurenet.org www.yesmagazine.org -- Frances F. Korten Executive Director Positive Futures Network PO Box 10818 Bainbridge Island, WA 98110 fkorten(a)futurenet.org www.yesmagazine.org 206/842-0216 (tel) 206/842-5208 (fax) 1 other thing (english) by proffr1@etc 3:18am Sat Dec 22 '01 Support the proffr "kill ollie" campaign.Start by sending ON copies of "assassination politics",by jim bell.If he cant take a hint,pool and pledge enough to pay the closest prediction of ONs permanent retirement from politics.Something thats long overdue. "Simon wiesenthal was under the impression that tracking down people who did bad things for the government was not only acceptable, but in fact laudatory." We need some vietnamese simons,some central and southern american simons and some arabic and Iranian simons.Im an anti-militarist simon.Oliver North is a liar,murderer by remote control and green collar crook.The scum deserves to die.Good riddance ollie,you straining anus. Killthepresident,proffr1

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Earth to Al Qaeda.When the going gets tough,the tough turn proffr.
by mattd 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

Proffr1 as devils advocate.OK,things did not go as planned,the lousy Infidel prefer to drop bombs and kill by remote control. No sweat.A guerilla campaign will start sooner or later and the next time it could be different.How? Through the grace of allah,blessed be to allah,we now stand ready to launch operation soft drill.All you need is the internet,e-dinars and your targets.The US airforce,all relatives and friends of members of the US airforce,all those who supply and cater to the US air force.Hell,almost any large crowd of norte americano tax payers. See the problem when you kill so many innocents as you did in africa and new york is the blowback is brutal. The beauty of targeted action or assassination politics is only the perp gets popped.Its easier to sell.The price on your head could go through the roof but its so high now its practically meaningless to raise it and we are prepared for eternal martyrdom with the virgins anyway,right? To sum up,dont despair.You have much to be proud of,from saving our friends in FARC to spreading the good news of Hawala.From restoring the classic NYC skyline to striking the very heart of evil at the pentagon.From showing the awesome leveraged might of low tech-high concept attack as best defence,just in time manufacturing and low hierachy with strict 'need to know',global strategy,public relations and marketing brilliance,(at least early on)and distributed sleeper networks with internet links,al quada has blazed some new trails down which some/one have already followed.Salaam and shookoran to you,may allah bless and keep you safe.The last empire will fall,trust me on this.Stand on me.Your bud,proffr1

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Re: prisoners dilemma,
by mattd 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

Subject: Re: prisoners dilemma,trapped in a privatised prison hellhole. >>Yes, but the bigger they are the shorter they survive. It's sort of like 'virtual particles'. For a given energy level they can exist for only so long. << Que? Bigger what are? Stable states of anarchy? Lets create a global one and synchronize our watches.Wheres your cite's? >>I think the goal is to build a society that is long lived and intrudes on the affairs of the individual a minimal amount. In "age of empires?"trad anarchist theory?Situationalism?Cypherpunks list?On this list anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism is often said to be the goal-a quote on that from Salon..."No libertarian state, after all, has ever existed in the world. (America, incessantly denounced by libertarians as a Great Satan of regulation, is, ironically but not surprisingly, much closer to being that free state than any other developed nation.) This gives libertarianism a futuristic allure that resonates with high-tech visionaries -- but it also raises suspicions that the whole thing is a pipe dream, a vaporous, almost psychotically elaborate "system" that resembles an elaborate science fiction alternate universe, or that plan labored on by Swift's Lagadan "projector" for extracting sunbeams out of cucumbers. When something has never been attempted, it may be because mankind has not evolved sufficiently -- or it may be because it can't be. (Of the libertarian belief that all social difficulties would vanish if a perfectly free market system could be established, the Burkean conservative Russell Kirk wrote, "This was very like saying that if only the Sermon on the Mount were universally obeyed to the letter, sin would vanish from among men. The trouble is that the Sermon on the Mount will not triumph until the end of all things earthly. There exist reasons for believing that the ideal universal free market is nearly so difficult of attainment.") Libertarianism's cold, Platonic perfectionism arouses suspicions. (Plato's Republic, like the libertarian utopia, is divided hierarchically -- and it's a safe bet that few libertarians believe that when the great Free Market Future dawns they will find themselves shoveling coal in the Race of Iron Steel Mill.) There is something lab-coaty about this philosophy, something that conjures up images of '50s scientists with wire-rimmed glasses and crew cuts: "3:05. We removed all governmental controls. Seventeen subjects died of malnutrition. Three became wealthy. Plague broke out in the southwest quadrant. The experiment continued without further incident." AP? Id like to hear Jim's opinion.Jim Bell that is.I repeat...Possible to have smuggled posts from former list members published? Several > books have been written this way. > Information does want to be free. >

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Re: More on remailers.
by mattd 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

>>Seems to me like a straightforward economic analysis. Rates a remailer operator will charge reflect his cost plus. If the rates become too high, the remailer will go out of business. If customers perceive their privacy is in danger because remailers are going bankrupt and the cloud is shrinking, the remaining remailers will lose revenue and, in extremis, again go out of business. Assuming that all users are using the network roughly equally and therefore paying roughly the same, this suggests there's a critical number of users necessary to keep a for-profit network afloat. But change the assumption about paying equally, and the critical number may approach one. "A small number of high-paying remailer customers" could bankroll the remailer network by providing direct subsidies to the remailer operators or giving out free can-be-used-for-remailing-only tokens to anyone who asks. There might be better ways to do this, but it's late at night and I'm getting pretty tired. But it seems like "yes" is the easy answer to your question. -Declan << Straightforward economic analysis,how refreshing! From our resident comped,bottom feeding scribbler. If its true Amazon just turned a profit then the strong possibility exists that the 1st strong and trusted remailer will eventually do the same.The need for remailing should tend to exponential to anyone with a little imagination.A lot of people right now are looking for a new Hawala,others for spam and AP,other horsemen type uses and counters to the threats they pose.The AP threat to capitalism as we know it should not be underestimated as also the threat to infrastructure from hungry mobs,collapse of govts not prepared for,etc.The dynamic effects and turbulence created could easily tear the large nodes to bits.Slow but steady with distrib and P-P is agent Faustines bet and Ill take her up on it.The fate of the earth might come down to a few decent secret agents leaking us info and possibly taking direct action against insane attempts to start ww4.Its late in our participation in mass extinction events,Im getting tired as well.Say goodnight to joshua.

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IP: Government questions over Windows XP security flaws (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:24:18 -0500 From: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Government questions over Windows XP security flaws > >http://www.kfwb.com/news/nat/n122113.html FBI, Pentagon Quiz Microsoft Over Windows XP Problems WASHINGTON (AP) 12.21.01, 4:05p -- FBI and Defense Department officials and some top industry experts sought reassurance Friday from Microsoft Corp. that a free software fix it offered effectively stops hackers from attacking major flaws discovered in the latest version of Windows. The government's rare interest in the problems with Windows XP software, which is expected to be widely adopted by consumers, illustrates U.S. concerns about risks to the Internet. Friday's discussions came during a private conference call organized by the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center, its top cyber-security unit. Microsoft's experts bluntly acknowledged the threats posed by the Windows XP problems, but they assured federal officials and industry experts that its fix -- if installed by consumers -- resolves the issues. The company acknowledged Thursday that Windows XP suffers from serious problems that allow hackers to steal or destroy a victim's data files across the Internet or implant rogue computer software. The glitches were unusually serious because they allow hackers to seize control of all Windows XP operating system software without requiring a computer user to do anything except connect to the Internet. Microsoft declined to tell U.S. officials Friday how many consumers downloaded and installed its fix during the first 24 hours it was available. Experts from Internet providers, including AT&T Corp., argued that information was vital to determine the scope of the threat. Microsoft also indicated it would not send e-mail reminders to Windows XP customers to remind them of the importance of installing the patch. One participant in the call, who spoke on condition of anonymity, otherwise described Microsoft officials as "extremely forthright." Microsoft explained that a new feature of Windows XP can automatically download the free fix, which takes several minutes, and prompt consumers to install it. "The patch is effective," said Steve Lipner, Microsoft's director of security assurance, who participated in Friday's call. "There was a discussion of the importance of the Windows auto-update capability. People were encouraged by the fact that we'll get the patch to people." Officials also expressed fears to Microsoft about electronic attacks launched against Web sites and federal agencies during next week's Christmas holidays from computers running still-vulnerable versions of Windows, participants said. Several experts said they had already managed to duplicate within their research labs so-called "denial of service" attacks made possible by the Windows XP flaws. Such attacks can overwhelm Web sites and prevent their use by legitimate visitors. "That was the one you'll more likely see over Christmas break," one participant said. Another risk, that hackers can implant rogue software on vulnerable computers, was considered more remote because of the technical sophistication needed. The FBI's cyber-security unit has been particularly worried lately about the threats from denial of service attacks. It warned again Thursday that it "has reason to believe that the potential for (denial of service) attacks is high." The FBI said people have indicated they plan to target the Defense Department's Web sites, as well as other organizations that support the nation's most important networks. Participants in Friday's call included the FBI; Defense Department; the U.S. Federal Computer Incident Response Center; federally funded CERT Coordination Center; eEye Digital Security Inc., which discovered the Windows XP problems; Network Associates Inc.; the System Administration, Networking and Security Institute; and others. For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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Re: More on remailers.
by Declan McCullagh 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 01:21:27PM -0800, Len Sassaman wrote: > In conclusion, I leave you with a question: if remailer users are reduced > to a small number of high-paying remailer customers for whom anonymity is > not a game, but a matter of life or death, could a mix-net be made to > provide any sufficient degree of security? "No" is the easy answer. Say > yes, and prove it. Seems to me like a straightforward economic analysis. Rates a remailer operator will charge reflect his cost plus. If the rates become too high, the remailer will go out of business. If customers perceive their privacy is in danger because remailers are going bankrupt and the cloud is shrinking, the remaining remailers will lose revenue and, in extremis, again go out of business. Assuming that all users are using the network roughly equally and therefore paying roughly the same, this suggests there's a critical number of users necessary to keep a for-profit network afloat. But change the assumption about paying equally, and the critical number may approach one. "A small number of high-paying remailer customers" could bankroll the remailer network by providing direct subsidies to the remailer operators or giving out free can-be-used-for-remailing-only tokens to anyone who asks. There might be better ways to do this, but it's late at night and I'm getting pretty tired. But it seems like "yes" is the easy answer to your question. -Declan

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Sandy Sandfort! Im on a winner!
by mattd 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

Earn $250 by punching Proffr1 in the face by Mr $250 2:05pm Sat Dec 22 '01 A $250 bounty exists for the person or persons who avails themselves the pleasure of punching Matthew Taylor in the face. To redeem the $250 bounty the punch in the face will require him to fall to the ground and or draw blood. Evidence of the punch to the face and contact details of where the money should be sent to should be posted on Indymedia. (melb) RINSE and REPEAT! Theres one born every minute.

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