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RE: registering Cypherpunks movement ...
by faustine.＠hushmail.com 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Peter wrote: >The cypherpunks mailing list is not an organization. There is no >membership list, there are no officers. There are no dues, no >organizational hierarchy. There is no agreed set of aims, purposes, >or activities. There is no property, and no post office address. But the idea that people who exchange ideas on the list hold physical meetings all over the world (attended by non-posters) and choose to come together under the word "Cypherpunks" really calls to mind the phrase "autonomous decentralized network". Which, if you can believe the RAND Corporation, is apparently where it's at... Networks and Netwars: The Future of Terror, Crime, and Militancy John Arquilla, David Ronfeldt (editors) free online pdf: http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1382/ Summary: "The fight for the future is not between the armies of leading states, nor are its weapons those of traditional armed forces. Rather, the combatants come from bomb-making terrorist groups like Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda, or drug smuggling cartels like those in Colombia and Mexico. On the positive side are civil - -society activists fighting for the environment, democracy and human rights. What all have in common is that they operate in small, dispersed units that can deploy anywhere, anytime to penetrate and disrupt. They all feature network forms of organization, doctrine, strategy, and technology attuned to the information age. And, from the Intifadah to the drug war, they are proving very hard to beat." Note their interesting (and vital) distinction between criminal networks and those "on the positive side". God knows I don't speak for anyone here but myself, but in the best of all (im?)possible worlds, those interested in protecting privacy and freedom through cryptography belong right at the heart of that side of the continuum. Whether or not any of us individually can be successful at being perceived that way remains to be seen. There's a lot more that ought to be said on this, any thoughts? Something to keep in mind, at any rate. ~Faustine. *** Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty. - --Samuel Adams -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.1 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com wl4EARECAB4FAjxDdhAXHGZhdXN0aW5lLkBodXNobWFpbC5jb20ACgkQGwpHwwWoj8Xv wgCeM+kLnphQdPYKiNq0yc2EXJXmhucAn1ZH4t5kH5sQDD9pXjqs9LI0/Ln6 =8MD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Just say no
by Steve Schear 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Freedom Fighters of the Digital World At a time when many of us are gung-ho about sacrificing personal freedoms to combat terror, the Electric Frontier Foundation just wants to say no. http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-000003207jan13.sto…

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by Ch3101＠aol.com 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

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by kimsi＠worldmailer.com 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

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Re: registering Cypherpunks movement ...
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

At 05:47 AM 1/14/02 -0000, Anonymous wrote: >Not a joke. >http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=34001-3500… >"35001. This title is enacted in the exercise of the police power of > >this State for the protection of the public peace and safety by > >requiring the registration of subversive organizations which are > >conceived and exist for the purpose of undermining and eventually > >destroying the democratic form of government in this State and in the > >United States." So, has the Democratic Party registered? Buchanan?

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Bill Scannell as Dirty harry.
by mattd 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Hey kids Google can do something! "Car 64 -- Where are You?" The December 1999 Physical Meeting of the San Francisco Bay Area Cypherpunks will feature community-building discussions with senior members of the SF Police Department Academy staff, including a short presentation of the SFPD Academy's history, mission and future by our host Lt. Lon Ramlan, discussions of the state of the SFPD's computer crime facilities and technology with senior members of the investigative staff and an opportunity to offer our thoughts on computer crime, network security and privacy concerns to interested and open-minded SFPD Academy leadership. We'll also enjoy a short presentation by the Society of Former Primes' director of disinformation, Bill Scannell on safe sex with P.I.Gs. Squeal like a pig Boy!

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14 Jan '02

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From epayments news (fwd)
by Jim Choate 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:53:45 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rahettinga(a)earthlink.net> To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs(a)philodox.com>, dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com Subject: From epayments news --- begin forwarded text

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Re: True Names reviewed on /.
by Tim May 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 11:08 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: > http://slashdot.org/books/01/12/27/1845203.shtml > > 'michael' has reviewed "True Names and The > Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier" over on > slashdot. I won't discuss the review or the book > in detail other than to say that the book should > be considered Required Reading, and the review > is also good. > > michael has this to say about our Resident > Author: > > "Timothy May, who is perhaps best > known for his ranting posts about crypto anarchy, > has a lengthy and astonishingly well-written essay > titled "True Nyms and Crypto Anarchy". The > essay reads as if an editor with a firm hand > extracted most of May's characteristic wild-eyed > prose and yet kept the insightful ideas behind it - if > only all of his writing was like this essay. Typical of Slash Dot carelessness. I wrote that essay several years ago and it is essentially unchanged from what I wrote then. The words are mine. None of them are the words of the editor except in terms of light copyediting. Jim Frenkel, the editor, made a few changes, but they are hard to find. The changes involve deleting a few phrases he thought could be pared down. The writing, the organization, the phrasing, etc. is all mine. Dig up versions I posted several years ago if you don't believe me. (Due to his sending me repeated messages to "tcmay(a)got.com" instead of to "got.net," he only reached me this last go-round just days before the final submission to the printer. I made a few typo and vocabulary changes in the day or two I had and submitted the changes.) Sure, there's a difference between the writing style in my published articles (this one, the Imagina piece reprinted in Peter Ludlow's "Crypto Anarchy" collection, etc.) and in things I write for the Cypherpunks list. "Duh!" > It's a > great introduction to what May means by "crypto > anarchy". May is one of the most optimistic writers > in the book, and he, as well as the other writers, > believe that we are at a fork: either we'll move > toward a surveillance state, or toward what May > calls an anarcho-capitalist state, but the middle > ground is unstable - we'll end up at one extreme or > the other. May believes we're already firmly on > the road toward anarcho-crypto-utopia." I appreciate the reviewer thinking it's a good introduction and overview. I spent a fair amount of time organizing the ideas and trying to at least touch on most of the important ideas and applications. And to tie it in to "True Names," especially the "colonization of cyberspace" (or cypherspace) aspect. Namely, the role crypto and robust protocols will play in "holding the walls up" (in Snow Crash Multiverses, Habitats, and True Names immersive VRs) and in building digital economies in cyberspace. Crypto is about a helluva lot more than just PGP and RSA...it's about building the I-beams and sheetrock that will allow robust structures to be built, it's about the railroad lines and power lines that will connect the structures, and it's about creating Galt's Gulch in cyberspace, where it belongs. This is the "vision" that is what Cypherpunks is/was/should be really about. The low-tech jive about mere things like "e-mail privacy" was fairly banal ten years ago and is even more so today. Our physical Cypherpunks gathering on Saturday was not so great. Several reasons. But it shows the need to get back to a different focus. For example... The evening of the CP meeting was a huge and crowded party at Brad Templeton's house (Brad was the rec.humor.funny guy, then the founder of Clarinet, now some kind of honcho in EFF.) The Usual Suspect, including founders of companies and science fiction authors, lots of Apple and Sun employees, etc. Also the core bunch of E (the capability language, see www.erights.org) folks. And Eric Drexler, the nanotech guy. I had a fascinating chat with Shawn O'Connor, who doesn't choose to post to the CP list (I forget why not). The chat helped to crystallize some ideas I have; maybe I'll write them up soon. (Related to three pictures of crypto and financial instrument ontologies). This quiet, but intense, chat was worth more than any several "business as usual" Cypherpunks meetings. Thanks, Shawn! And consider posting here, please. The connection with the above-reviewed article is that more of this kind of "way out" stuff is in the article, less in articles here. Which is natural, as each article ("rant") here cannot be a self-contained tutorial on things which were laid out nearly 10 years ago. (Not claiming the work was finished then, or now. Just claiming that we must assume a certain amount of foundational things. This is one reason I used to urge folks like Faustine to do some homework and learn what we knew a decade ago, surely 5-6 years ago. Perhaps if she reads the "True Names" collection she'll be better able to contribute.) This is why books are still needed and why Slash Dot readers should think about learning to read them. --Tim May "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet

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Hiding Sensitive Data Can Be Tough in a Digital Age
by Steve Schear 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 13 The modern task of successfully destroying electronic documents has become daunting enough to give Oliver North nightmares. Mr. North is the Marine officer who became notorious during the Reagan-era Iran-contra scandal after it was discovered he had tried to delete thousands of e-mail messages, only to discover that they had been retained on backup tapes and made available to Congressional investigators. The issue of the destruction and possible retrieval of electronic data burst into the news last week after Arthur Andersen & Company, the auditors for the Enron Corporation (news/quote), said that the accounting firm had destroyed a "significant but undetermined" number of documents relating to Enron and its finances. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/technology/ebusiness/14DELE.html

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