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Re: Snitch jamesd outs himself.
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

As an operator of one of the nodes, versus somebody who is just a subscriber, I'll be happy to state that while clearly a waste of anybody with a clues time the submissions are not distruptive to the list. Nor or they spam. They are within the charter of cryptography (and related technologies), civil liberties, and economics. This includes technical pieces, speculative pieces, opinion pieces, etc. I've yet to see a threat. A lot of personal opinion and taunts, but no threat. Got an example? Something like "Kill the President" is not a threat. 'The' list is unfiltered, individual nodes may be. Your claim we can't filter him out is specious; we don't want to filter anyone (do you understand this point yet? Geesh) that's your(!!!) job (I know you don't get this one). To attack somebody through their ISP via false claims of abuse for no reason other than they piss you off is the epitome of chicken shit behaviour. It's also another excellent example of what hypocrites the majority of CACL mouthpieces are. -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, matt taylor wrote: > Do they WANT me to keep changing my address?Do I have to write to every > fuckwit I've beaten in debate when I change ISP's.Fucking stalkers,fuck off > and die.This just in... > > To: support(a)nex.net.au Subject: Re: Youth in Asia CC: profrv(a)nex.com.au > Someone who appears to be posting from a nex.net.au address > <profrv(a)nex.com.au> keeps posting large volumes of spam, > obcenity, death threats to random people, mail bombs, and so forth > to our mailing list. He keeps changing his apparent address, so > we have difficulty filtering him out. > His postings were originally merely excessive and of doubtful > relevance, but have become more and more hostile and harassing. > > On 24 Feb 2002, at 5:29, matt taylor wrote: > > Youth In Asia Society: At our last monthly meeting, we discussed all of the > > reasons there are not to KILL THE PRESIDENT. We think it is our duty to > > inform people of our objection to those who believe it is necessary to KILL > > THE PRESIDENT. We also object to people who are constantly running around, > > shouting, incessantly, "KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE > > PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL > > THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! > > KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT!" We think that > > this is rude. So we would ask you please not to KILL THE PRESIDENT! We > > don't want you to KILL THE PRESIDENT! We think it is inadvisable for you to > > KILL THE PRESIDENT! We certainly hope that you won't KILL THE PRESIDENT! We > > hope that no one you know decides to KILL THE PRESIDENT! We are dedicated > > in our efforts to convince people not to KILL THE PRESIDENT! We think that > > we will be successful in our efforts to convince people not to KILL THE > > PRESIDENT! We don't ask to be thanked for advising people not to KILL THE > > PRESIDENT! Nor do we expect to be thanked for advising people not to run > > around incessantly screaming "KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL > > THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! > > KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE > > PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL > > THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! > > KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE > > PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT! KILL THE PRESIDENT!" That's why we post > > anonymously. We're humble. > > > I responded... > To: jamesd(a)echeque.com Subject: Re: Youth in Asia Cc: support(a)nex.net.au > > > This particular message is a copy from the archives of this list,not only > was it relevant to a recent thread RE list censorship being taken on by > self elected list cops but it belongs to a collection I'm gathering for an > article I'm planning. > I'm an entertainment journalist.jamesd is a notorious liar having an entire > website devoted to that topic.http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/jamesd.html > He admits to spending 6 years in Maoist and Trotskyist lying,violent > subversive parties,that, I can believe. > (He is entertaining though) Please > don't contribute to the closure of a once vigorous debating forum.Thanks. > > >

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Re: [Reformatted] Eugene Leitl want to ban thoughtcrime,
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: > This is the last mattd post I'll see for a while, I expect, since I've > updated my kill.rc file. But the prospect of a cypherpunks subscriber > threatening to send 2 MB attachments to the list is not a pleasant one. Why? They make 80G drives now for very cheap. Got a little pipe, get a bigger one. The only persons who should shudder at 2M attachments are the node operators. They have to deal with n*2M of traffic as compared to your measly 2M. Quite your whinning. > (I suspect that majordomo will refuse to send anything above its default > setting, which I'm not going to name since it'll encourage the mattd troll > to hit that size and nothing above. But Still.) 400000 bytes maximum. The current maximum that has been agreed too informally (it's in the archives if you want to look) is 1M. SSZ is currently set to bounce any emails over 1M (and it's detailed on the homepage). -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Reformatted] EuroNazis want to ban thoughtcrime
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Eugene Leitl wrote: > Let's recapitulate. We have a downunder nutcase who's using this public > resource for private dumping ground, while posting *a lot* (including > profanity and casual death threats, iirc) and constantly changing his > email address, thus avoiding filtering. > > I don't propose the list policy to be changed, this particular forum > should be unmoderated. However, complaining to Matt's ISP (whose terms > he's clearly in violation with) and some grassroot pressure (if there are > 100 people on his list willing to send back each of his messages 10x, he's > dealing with a 1000x amplification factor on each and single of his > messages) seems to be in order. > > Does anyone see anything wrong with this plan? Yes, a major problem. Why are you to decide what is or is not relevant to the other list members? Why is it that instead of managing your own mailbox, and in the process promoting general peace (which you seem to be promoting by homogenizing the discussion in this forum), instead you feel it is better than your belief of what is or isn't relevant should be applied to all of us? It is clear you are not willing to allow us to reciprocate and decide what goes in your mailbox? So much for CACL individualism... The CACL Cypherpunk Contengent (CACL-CC ?) are a funny bunch. They promote freedom of speech and action based around individual choice. Yet when put in a position of conflict they use the same old 'force it all into one mold' strategies that they (supposedly) rail against. Why is it this contengent is the first to call for banning and filtering en masse? How odd. -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | Live via Satellite: NATO Aerial Surveillance Video (Encryption, Bandwidth)
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/13/028213.shtml?tid=172 -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Pentagon OSI.
by Jim Choate 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: > Great bloodshedding that "never happened" -- due to diplomacy and deception. > War is the means, not the ends. No, it's diplomacy by other means. War is only one means, not 'the' means as this would indicate. > Americans seem to confuse the two -- a Code Duello Culture. Well their political leaders do anyway. Not sure if it's consistent to equate the American people with their leaders. > The objective is to get the enemy to do our will. There is usually no single objective. Further, if your goal is anything other than peaceful co-existance any distinction between you and the enemy is specious. > "The enemy" is just an antagonistic interest, not "a country," as we have > been conditioned to think. Specious distinction. The agent pursuing the 'antagonistic interest' is a country in most cases (at least at the scale you are speaking of). > That embodies a range of choices, but perception > management, even if it involves deception, should be preferred to battle. Yeah, it's called politics. Stating the obvious again. -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Of interest to many of you.
by measl＠mfn.org 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

>From an LEO friend: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:08:51 -0400 From: XXX(a)ZZZ-YYYY.com To: measl(a)mfn.org Sgt. Kevin Miller of the Detroit Police department has a plan for preventing violence. He wants school officials to ask kids what kinds of guns their parents keep at home and how they are stored, and he thinks that some parents should be reported to Child Protective Services based on these interrogations of minors without their parents' knowledge. Read about it at The Detroit Free Press site, http://www.freep.com/news/metro/nriley2_20020602.htm -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:08:51 -0400 From: CrystalRun(a)aol.com To: measl(a)mfn.org Subject: Re: FC: How to patent a Harvard scientist (his parents' idea) (fwd) Sgt. Kevin Miller of the Detroit Police department has a plan for preventing violence. He wants school officials to ask kids what kinds of guns their parents keep at home and how they are stored, and he thinks that some parents should be reported to Child Protective Services based on these interrogations of minors without their parents' knowledge. Read about it at The Detroit Free Press site, http://www.freep.com/news/metro/nriley2_20020602.htm

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(ADV) OTCBB: XCNT A Company On The Rise
by industrynews20022002＠yahoo.com.sg 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

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Handset Inventory!
by Carlo Rodriguez 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

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United Press International: Pakistan: More Americans arrested (fwd)
by Jim Choate 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=11062002-055122-5978r -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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From the recent past of Homeland defense
by Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2033000/2033324.stm A new book reveals the 22-year effort by FBI director J Edgar Hoover to get Albert Einstein arrested as a political subversive or even a Soviet spy. Uncovered FBI files are revealed in a book by Fred Jerome who says it was a clash of cultures - Einstein's challenge and change with Hoover's order and obedience. >From the time Einstein arrived in the US in 1933 to the time of his death, in 1955, the FBI files reveal that his phone was tapped, his mail was opened and even his trash searched. (if only they had Osama)

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