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Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Book Review: Peter Wayner's "Translucent Databases"
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

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Fwd: Re: Fwd: Book Review: Peter Wayner's "Translucent Databases"
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

...More fun and games from the "We're Monkeys, we'll *go*!!!" school of disputation... :-). Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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Is your car really safe?
by Monitortire.com 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

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Low Cost Merchant Accounts [zk9qr]
by Clay Brittany 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

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sins of the fathers (brothers, sisters, etc)
by Major Variola (ret) 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

On Israel's decision to deport families of martyrs: A Palestinian legislator, Salah Tamari, called deporting families "an illegal, unlawful and inhuman measure. Why should somebody be accountable for someone elses actions? http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=685972002 Someone needs to clue Tamari into the US court-approved practices in welfare cages: families are tossed for the indiscretions of familymembers, if the indiscretions involve pharmaceuticals. Pharms, nitrates, whatever. But then, the US is becoming Israel, why not a bit of the reverse? ----- And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof thro' the night that Osama was still there.

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper
by Nomen Nescio 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Ross Anderson writes: > During my investigations into TCPA, I learned that HP has started a > development program to produce a TCPA-compliant version of GNU/linux. > I couldn't figure out how they planned to make money out of this. On > Thursday, at the Open Source Software Economics conference, I figured > out how they might. > ... > The business model, I believe, is this. HP will not dispute that the > resulting `pruned code' is covered by the GPL. You will be able to > download it, compile it, check it against the binary, and do what you > like with it. However, to make it into TCPA-linux, to run it on a > TCPA-enabled machine in privileged mode, you need more than the code. > You need a valid signature on the binary, plus a cert to use the TCPA > PKI. That will cost you money (if not at first, then eventually). Hmmmm.... Not clear that this really works to make money. The GPL allows everyone to redistribute HP's software verbatim, right? So a cert on one copy of the software will work on everyone's. How can HP make money on a product that everyone can copy freely, when they can all share the same cert? It's true that modified versions of the software would not be able to use that cert, and it would no doubt be expensive to get a new cert for the modified software. But that still gives HP no monopoly on selling or supporting its own version. Anyone can step in and do that. Is the cert itself supposed to be somehow copyrighted? Kept secret? Will it be illegal to publish the cert, to share it with someone else? This seems pretty questionable both in terms of copyright law (since a cert is a functional component) and in terms of the GPL (which would arguably cover the cert and forbid restrictively licensing it). It seems more likely that the real purpose is to bring the benefits of TCPA to the Linux world. As an innovator in this technology HP will gain in reputation and be the source that people turn to for development and support in this growing area. The key to making money from open source is reputation. Being first makes good economic sense. You don't need conspiracy theories. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Ross's TCPA paper
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

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by sonicmailuo7lbK＠howamazing.com 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

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RE: Steven Levy buys Microsoft's bullshit hook, line, and sinker
by Lucky Green 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Bram wrote: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/770511.asp?cp1=1 > > Of course, the TCPA has nothing to do with security or > privacy, since those are OS-level things. All it can really > do is ensure you're running a particular OS. > > It's amazing the TCPA isn't raising all kinds of red flags at > the justice department already - it's the most flagrant > attempt to stifle competition I've ever seen. [Bram is correct, stifling competition is one of the many features TCPA will enable. In more ways than one. And for more players than just Microsoft]. Coincidentally, Steven Levy's article that Bram is citing also helps answer Mr. Anonymous's question with which he challenged Ross and myself earlier today. First, however, I must apologize to the reader for my earlier, now incorrect, statement that TCPA member companies would deny that DRM is an objective of the TCPA. I had been unaware that, as evidenced by the publication of the Newsweek article, the public phase of the TCPA effort had already begun. What a bizarre coincidence for this phase, after all those years the TCPA effort and its predecessors have been underway, (the design, and in fact the entire architecture, has morphed substantially over the years) to be kicked off the very day of my post. [Tim: do you recall when we had the discussion about the upcoming "encrypted op code chips" at a Cypherpunks meeting in a Stanford lecture hall? Was that 1995 or 1996? It cannot have been later; I know that I was still working for DigiCash at the time because I remember giving a talk on compact endorsement signatures at the same meeting]. >From Levy's article: "Palladium [Microsoft's TCPA-based technology - LG] is being offered to the studios and record labels as a way to distribute music and film with "digital rights management" (DRM). This could allow users to exercise "fair use" (like making personal copies of a CD) and publishers could at least start releasing works that cut a compromise between free and locked-down. But a more interesting possibility is that Palladium could help introduce DRM to business and just plain people. "It's a funny thing," says Bill Gates. "We came at this thinking about music, but then we realized that e-mail and documents were far more interesting domains."' Another paragraph of the Newsweek article has this to say: "In 1997, Peter Biddle, a Microsoft manager who used to run a paintball arena, was the company's liason to the DVD-drive world. Naturally, he began to think of ways to address Hollywood's fear of digital copying. He hooked up with [...] researchers Paul England and John Manferdelli, and they set up a skunkworks operation, stealing time from their regular jobs to pursue a preposterously ambitious idea-creating virtual vaults in Windows to protect information. They quickly understood that the problems of intellectual property were linked to problems of security and privacy. They also realized that if they wanted to foil hackers and intruders, at least part of the system had to be embedded in silicon, not software." Well, now that Bill Gates himself is being quoted stating that DRM was a driver behind the technology the TCPA is enabling (Microsoft is one of the companies that founded the TCPA and should be in a position to know), does Mr. Anonymous consider this sufficient "evidence that the TCPA is being designed for the support of digital rights management (DRM) applications"? Or does Anonymous continue to believe Ross and Lucky are making this stuff up out of whole cloth? To answer Anonymous's question as to whether the "the TCPA [is] really, as [Ross and Lucky] claim, a secretive effort to get DRM hardware into consumer PCs?", I am not sure I would exactly call this fact a secret at this point. (Though by no means are all cards already on the table). DRM is a significant objective of some of the TCPA's member companies, which includes Microsoft. There are of course other objectives. Some of which Ross published, some which I mentioned, some which Steven Levy has published (though he largely fell for the designated bait and missed the numerous hooks), some which Bram has realized, and some which have yet to be talked about. Some desirable, some questionable, and a lot of them downright scary. Sincerely, --Lucky Green --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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urgent response is needed
by PETERS STEVENS 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

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