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RE: dangers of TCPA/palladium - will the real anon shady please stand up?
by R. A. Hettinga 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

At 10:07 AM -0400 on 8/7/02, Sunder wrote: > Besides, from what I've seen, those anon messages weren't signed. So I > can claim "I am that anonymous" and so can Vulis, Choate, Lucky, Tim, > Declan, RAH, yourself, your mom, the horse she rode on, the FedZ, the NSA > spook Satelite dancers (like the Rockettes, but they wear stego-panty > stockings and have barcodes on their foreheads sent by Lotus Notes so the > DIRNSA has a copy), and the Man Show Juggies. So what? > > Would the real "anon shady please stand up?" ROTFL! :-). See below... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "...we ain't nothin' but mammals." --Eminem

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RE: dangers of TCPA/palladium - will the real anon shady please stand up?
by Eugen Leitl 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Sunder wrote: > "Waaa, he was vicious! He used a remailer!" Oh my! Well that's just proof > that he's working for Microsoft! (With a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no Are you being deliberately dense? The facts that he's using a remailer and has most uncypherpunk-like notions are alone insufficient to trip the suspicion circuit. But his insinuations are unusually good, and hence I'd like to know who he is. If deep paranoia cryptoanarchy freaks can be made to endorse TCPA/Pd crap that's sufficient motivation for a troll. > Besides, from what I've seen, those anon messages weren't signed. So I > can claim "I am that anonymous" and so can Vulis, Choate, Lucky, Tim, > Declan, RAH, yourself, your mom, the horse she rode on, the FedZ, the NSA > spook Satelite dancers (like the Rockettes, but they wear stego-panty > stockings and have barcodes on their foreheads sent by Lotus Notes so the > DIRNSA has a copy), and the Man Show Juggies. So what? The style is consistent, and he hasn't called a forgery yet. > Would the real "anon shady please stand up?" ROTFL!

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RE: dangers of TCPA/palladium - will the real anon shady please stand up?
by Sunder 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

"Waaa, he was vicious! He used a remailer!" Oh my! Well that's just proof that he's working for Microsoft! (With a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more to Monty Python.) You've called him on it several times. Get over it. I couldn't give a fuck whether or not "it" (unless it has expressed a gender clue to the contrary, I'll randomy assign "he" to it) is Bill Gate's personal buttboy. If his arguement is BS it will stand on its own as BS. Shame on you. Bad dog! All you're doing is weaking your own arguements. IMNHO TCPA sucks balls. But "anonymous" has the right to speak anonymously as does anyone, and most of us here will defend that right, regardless of accepting or rejecting TCPA/Palladium/MSFT. You remember that old saw about "I may not agree with you, but I will defend your right to say it to the death" -- just add anonymously in there. It's up to that "anon" or collection of anons to chose to disclose it's/their affiliation/admiration for MSFT or not. Besides, from what I've seen, those anon messages weren't signed. So I can claim "I am that anonymous" and so can Vulis, Choate, Lucky, Tim, Declan, RAH, yourself, your mom, the horse she rode on, the FedZ, the NSA spook Satelite dancers (like the Rockettes, but they wear stego-panty stockings and have barcodes on their foreheads sent by Lotus Notes so the DIRNSA has a copy), and the Man Show Juggies. So what? Would the real "anon shady please stand up?" ROTFL! ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bill/year|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Sunder wrote: > > > What kind of crack are you smoking? This is cypherpunks. Anonymous > > posters are the norm here. > > The point is not that some people here are posting anonymously, the point > is that Anonymous could make a far stronger point by disclosing his > identity, thus showing that he has no vested interest in the matter. > > His psyops-fu is rather good, I'm curious if this correlates with the > views he's projecting.

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Dutch Treat
by Matthew X 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

A Capsule History of the Dutch Provos By Teun Voeten provos It's no secret that Holland has the most liberal drug laws in the world, especially when it comes to cannabis. What you may not realize, however, is that these laws were enacted thanks to the efforts of the Dutch Provos. The Provos set the stage for the creation of the Merry Pranksters, Diggers, and Yippies. They were the first to combine non-violence and absurd humor to create social change. They created the first "Happenings" and "Be-Ins." They were also the first to actively campaign against marijuana prohibition. Even so, they remain relatively unknown outside of Holland. Now, for the first time, their true story is told. http://slash.autonomedia.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/05/1928258&mode=nested

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07 Aug '02

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Herd shot around the world
by Matthew X 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

meat-recall information kept hidden by Allison Sherry and David Migoya, Denver Post - August 07, 2002 It was difficult or impossible for Americans to find out where E. coli- contaminated meat was shipped in recent weeks because federal law protects company secrets. Consumers were left even more vulnerable because of disjointed communication among government agencies that are supposed to protect them. Those lapses put more than a week between the day 354,200 pounds of beef were recalled and the time some consumers found out about it. One Douglas County teenager was sickened by ConAgra meat in that period. Responding to what happened in Colorado, the state, ConAgra and a grocery chain have taken steps to better inform the public next time there's a recall. "We would be more proactive and react on it quicker because of this experience," said Patti Klocker, assistant director for consumer protection at the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. "We could have given the heads-up to the consumers a little quicker." http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id2529/pg1/

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Atlanta Vice
by Matthew X 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Atlanta Suspends Vice Unit [From AP] The prostitute business in Atlanta should do a brisk business- at least in the next couple of days. That's because the Atlanta police department has suspended undercover vice operations aimed at prostitution after an officer shot and killed a suspected prostitute one of four fatal police shootings in the past three months. Members of the 10-member vice squad will be temporarily reassigned while officers in marked cars perform their duties. Police Chief Richard Pennington said he suspended the undercover vice operations "out of concern for the safety of our officers and citizens." Atlanta police have mowed down 12 people this year, killing five, the largest number of police shootings since 1995. On Monday, an officer shot a suspected prostitute four times after she sprayed him with pepper gas and stabbed him in the face and arms when he tried to arrest her, police said. The officer was in stable condition at Grady Memorial Hospital. On July 14, a plainclothes officer killed an 18-year-old, who police said was trying to run over the officer. Relatives and friends said the teen was fleeing because he felt threatened. Timothy may have believed in the green light, the orgiastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that's no mattertomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther.

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Wahl for mayor.Vote for a change.
by Matthew X 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

A Chat With T.L. Wahl- St. Louis' First Amendment Advocate- Rob Black Ain't the Only Porn Guy to Have Run for Mayor Vegas is going nuts trying to legislate lap dancing, and a bunch of right wing religious goofballs in Cincinnati got the Marriott Corp. to cave in on the showing of pay-per-view movies in a Marriott. This of course prompted us to give TL Wahl a call and see what was doing in St. Louis. Wahl along with his wife Suzie was a recipient of the Hal Freeman Freedom Isn't Free Award at the recent Night of the Stars. [Ironically the "Stars" have to pay to go to a benefit honoring them.] Wahl likes to say he's the only guy in America convicted twice of prostitution for having sex with his own wife. Wahl runs openly advertised $200 "educational seminars," but the cops in St. Charles County saw it another way and figured Wahl's brand of Tupperware party was more like hooking. Having lost at the appellate level, Wahl asked the Missouri Supreme Court to hear his case but as yet hasn't received an answer. Wahl also writes and comments on First Amendment issues. Gene: Anything new on your legal front? Wahl: Oddly enough, we have not heard back from the Missouri Supreme Court as to whether or not they will hear our case. It's taken quite awhile. That's unusual. Otherwise things here are kind of quiet. Gene: Are you still doing your educational seminars. Wahl: We're not doing performances at this moment. They told us in St. Charles County that if we did the show again, we'd get 30 days in jail. And they use the word "show". Thirty days in jail would be pretty hard for me to take financially. Gene: You're pretty active on the local political scene. Wahl: Yeah. I've run for state representative. I've run for alderman here in St. Louis and I ran for mayor of Lake St. Louis. Suzie applied for the job of police chief back in 1991. When I ran for mayor I put together a booklet listing the issues that I thought were confronting the city. And I walked on foot every street in the city and knocked on every door of every resident in the city. I didn't win the election but that booklet was well regarded. But a lot of people used and referred to that booklet as far as the issues that would have to be dealt with. They did come to a boil and did have to be dealt with. A lot of the times the solutions I had proposed were the ones they ended up using. Gene: I think Cincinnati's going to be the start of some pesky little First Amendment mosquito bites Wahl: It goes back and forth. This being basically a theocracy in disguise, whenever they get a chance with a national threat or a national emergency they take that opportunity to swing the pendulum their way. But that's okay. We're not quitting. One of the things that we've considered doing in St. Louis is offering our performances for free. The problem with our performances is that there's sex and there's money. They consider that prostitution. Thereby we'd circumvent the whole prostitution aspect of it. We haven't worked real hard on that in finding a location, but that is a possibility and we'll see what the court rules. One day we may put the seminar on for free and see what they come up with next. I don't think they'd ever get us on obscenity because we offer scientific value in our presentation. Gene: What are your feelings about receiving the Freedom Isn't Free Award. Wahl: I was really genuinely honored. I remember when I heard about that award many years ago I really did think I'd like to have that some day. At the same time I'm kind of embarrassed because there I am in the room with the previous award winner who took a bullet in the back and is paralyzed for life. I got the award without being physically attacked, permanently attacked or spending any real time in jail. I haven't been through what some of those guys have been through. Gene: How long have you been active as far as First Amendment issues. Wahl: We were outed by our controversy in September 9, 1991 when the cops came in with a bogus search warrant [the Wahl's had an amateur video company] in honor of the local police chief's political campaign. They came in with a bogus search warrant, had a very public parade and we blew it all up in their faces. That's when we decided the best defense was a good offense. We've been very vocal about every issue, particularly censorship issues ever since then. When the local county prosecutor held a sideline job teaching law courses at the community college and told those people in the classroom that his opinion making an X-rated video was an act of prostitution, I sued him for libel. I also sued him for having a part time job. I sued the prosecutor on and on. I filed five or six lawsuits against him. His name was Tim Braun. None of the suits went anywhere. They were more of nuisance suits than anything else but they got in the newspaper and got us press. It drew attention to issues and we helped get him beat finally. A couple of years ago he publicly announced that at the behest of a local censorship group, Citizens Against Pornography, he was going after local video stores. They sent letters to the local video stores telling them they had better get rid of their stuff or face prosecution. I went around to the stores and said we need to have an organized effort to get this guy out of office. They trusted me with their mailing lists. Here I am, a mail order guy but I promised them I wouldn't use their mailing lists for my own purposes. I didn't. I printed up flyers

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Beware the Military Industrial complex... and white slave traders.
by Matthew X 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

President Truman, after an atomic bomb obliterated the population of Hiroshima, said: 'The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base.' " http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/08/06/dyncorp/index.html "...DynCorp is a privately held company that relies on government contracts for over 95 percent of its business. Among other services, it provides pilots to the State Department; maintenance crews, communications specialists and weapons experts to the armed forces; and police officers to the U.N. Ben Johnston claims that buying prostitutes -- many of whom were clearly underage -- had become so common among DynCorp employees at Camp Comanche, outside Tuzla, Bosnia, that he was forced to report the problem to the U.S. Army's Criminal Investigative Command..."

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Guns and Laptops,Oh YEAH!
by Matthew X 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

"This problem has sparked consequences, in criminal acts and danger to national security. According to the reports, the problem of missing guns at the FBI, in particular, is a mess, and it's been that way for years. It stems from weak discipline, lax standards, tardy reporting and few, if any, consequences." --Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, a senior member of the Judiciary Committee http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47789-2002Aug5.html The FBI, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and other parts of the Justice Department have lost track of hundreds of guns and laptop computers, according to a report indicating that recordkeeping problems at the agencies are even worse than previously disclosed. http://www.cicentre.com/

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