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Re: Mitigating Dangers of Compromised Anonymity
by Adam Shostack 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:12:16AM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: | On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: | | > I'd like to suggest that while this may be fun, usability and getting | > millions of users to see that remailers are useful to them is a more | > useful goal. | | I agree, although I fail to see how working on this would interfere with | that goal in any way. Scarce resources (programmer time) go to this, not that. Given the small pool of people writing code, I'd like to try to convince them to write code that I think is more useful. I'd write it myself, but that just makes work for someone who says "My god, I need to re-write this!" ;) | > The anonymity set provided by the current extant systems is too small | > to protect anyone against anyone who is willing to kill or disappear | > people as part of their attacks against the remailers. | | I find this disbelievable. I suspect there are many groups which do not | have the capability of defeating the remailer system who would still like | to see it eliminated. Willingness to kill or disappear people isn't | necessarily tied to technical capability, though I agree that entities | which can defeat the remailer network without "disappearing" anyone are | unlikely to pose a threat to the remops. If our goal is to make remailers | harder to defeat, however, beforehand might be the right time to address | the problem of "missing remailer operators." Sorry, I think you missed my point a little. Let me explain, then I'll respond to what you said. If Charlie is willing to kill someone to achieve his goals, then he is pretty dedicated. He may be able to trade that willingness to commit violence for technical help, etc. I agree that there are groups who might not be able to defeat the remailer system who'd like it to go away, but its not clear to me how many of them would go to the extent of kidnapping or killing a remailer operator to achieve the goal of getting rid of the remailer system. | (Incidently, I could see this having uses outside the remailer operator | world.) So? | > Oh, yeah, and incidentally, if you build this system, the attacker can | > simply add a bit of rubber hosing to their remop elimination program. | | To pry the signing key out of the victim? That's a personal "how much | torture can I take" question for the victim to ask himself. He knows he'll | be permanently disappeared after coughing up the private key. | | In many cases also it might be far harder to rubber-hose someone than | simply cause an "accident". True, but how many groups are willing to go that far? Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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NTK Now, 2002-08-30 (fwd)
by Eugen Leitl 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

A relevant NTK Now issue. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:33:18 +0100 From: Dave Green <tips(a)spesh.com> To: NTK recipient list <ntknow(a)lists.ntk.net> Subject: NTK Now, 2002-08-30 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:17:26 +0200 (CEST) Resent-From: <eleitl(a)leitl.org> Resent-To: <eugen(a)hydrogen.leitl.org> Resent-Subject: NTK Now, 2002-08-30 _ _ _____ _ __ <*the* weekly high-tech sarcastic update for the uk> | \ | |_ _| |/ / _ __ __2002-08-30_ o join! mail an empty message to | \| | | | | ' / | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / o ntknow-subscribe(a)lists.ntk.net | |\ | | | | . \ | | | | (_) \ v v / o website (+ archive) lives at: |_| \_| |_| |_|\_\|_| |_|\___/ \_/\_/ o http://www.ntk.net/ "A case in point is web designer Matt Jones, the man responsible for how BBC News Online looked when it launched. Since then, he has invented 'warchalking', which he recently described as a 'curse'..." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2210091.stm - but you cannot turn against me! I... created you! >> HARD NEWS << stiffening sinews More hot summer days in the mailinglist alleyways, dangerously empty of sane postings, strewn with the rotting carcasses of broiling vacation messages. Hacktress and Silicon Valley's chief rat-keeper LILE ELAM, excitedly posts about a new open 802.11 network she's found. "I am here at the police station waiting to see a judge and I thought I would check to see if there is connectivity", she writes, somewhat recklessly, to the Bay Area Wireless list. Exit the rest of the Wifi community through the nearest window and out into the streets... where, cooling tempers, the Microsoft Palladium boys are on an endless summer tour, reassuring the experts that while, hmm, they *suppose* Pd could *theoretically* be used as a Hollywood DRM system, they truly have no plans to do any such thing. Cypherpunk and friend of freedom Lucky Green hears this; thinks up four or five of the obvious Palladium DRM implementations; sends them off to be patented in his name. Licensing funds, we imagine, will go on cracking his own DRMs. And so the mail loops on. http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2002-August/008507.html - administrivia: HI MOM, I'M IN JAIL http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@wasabisystems.com/msg02554.html - Green/Palladium, like Green Kryptonite Could Lucky get himself arrested under the DMCA for distributing a circumvention device? Worse: now we have the EUCD incoming, could he here in the UK? Will Alan Cox go to jail for posting detailed Changelogs? Will even the nicest UK cryptographer (or curious garage tinkerer) find themselves hauled up under our new and scarily DMCAish copyright regime? Find out the facts at the free FAIR DEAL FOR COPYRIGHT conference, organised by the irrepressible FOUNDATION FOR INFORMATION POLICY RESEARCH for Wednesday 2002-09-18 at the London School of Economics. All the usual fun from the creators of the Scrambling for Safety crypto cons: we confidently predict government spokesmen caught in headlights, wanton Dave Bird heckling, some industry bigwig fighting off the audience with a broken chairleg, and other epiphenomena of the interzone between legal minds and hacker ethics. Oh, and FIPR are still looking for a Programme Director, so if you're interested, let them know. We suggested a convention raffle (first prize: the director's job, second prize: Ross Anderson as your personal slave for a day). They say there's some rule that would break, though. http://www.fipr.org/vacancy.html - doesn't the Foundation use psychohistory for filling these positions? For those of us who can't read the abbreviation EULA without thinking of Martian fighting machines and their "deafening howls... which roared like thunder", we're sorry to report that this weekend's multimedia performance of Jeff Wayne's WAR OF THE WORLDS has been postponed due to "health and safety issues". The event was to feature computer graphics, fireworks, "60ft-tall Martian fighting machines" wreaking "havoc and destruction", and - most terrifyingly of all - the possibility of a David Essex tribute singer performing with Hawkwind, but UKP18 tickets for the Sat 2002-08-31 show at Manchester's Heaton Park will still be valid at a range of new venues next summer. Ironically, the Martians' original invasion plans were similarly thwarted by health and safety issues, "slain after all man's devices had failed by the humblest creatures that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth: bacteria. Minute, invisible, bacteria. For, directly the invaders arrived and drank and fed, our microscopic allies attacked them..." http://www.waroftheworlds.info/postpone.htm - "...From that moment, they were doomed." >> ANTI-NEWS << berating the obvious moving on from PUERILE GOOGLE MISSPELLINGS, weird search-and- replace artefact: http://www.google.com/search?q=consideyellow , Japanese fan sites for "plince", "steery dan", "def reppard" et al, plus the 18,000 or more self-referential Usenet .sigs: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22get+random+signatures%22 ...http://www.colocation-network.com/ "Zerodowntime" ad leads to: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohzero.gif ... slightly harsh alt text: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohover.gif ... US military discovers the only "translator" those bastards seem to understand: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohgun.gif ... scary blue men herald return of the bizarre BBC hacking pics: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1494091.stm ... reporter RYAN DILLEY http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2202552.stm pulls his http://starwars.org.pl/galeria/e2/char/anakin/t001.jpg face ... banjo maestro GEORGE FORMBY still alive, cooking, black: http://www.readersheds.co.uk/readersheds/shop.cfm?WOSNAMES=Wosnames ... thanks guys, that ought to do it: http://www.eap.ca/ ... >> EVENT QUEUE << goto's considered non-harmful Controversially, we're all in favour of THE GUARDIAN GREAT BRITISH BLOG COMPETITION (closing date next Fri 2002-09-06, first prize UKP1000, entry free), in that any initiative that encourages this notoriously primadonna-ish "community" to try and engage with real-world notions of editorial quality surely has to be a good thing. Our only disappointment is that The Guardian appears to be focussing on the "best" of the entries, when everyone knows the real fun is to be had cruising the truly terrible examples that the genre has to offer, mentally allocating points for "Most Depressing Recycling Of Daypop Top 40 URLs", "Most Unsettling Revelations About Personal Life", plus of course "Most Tedious Linking/Reciprocal Linking To Other Bloggers In Absence Of Having Anything Interesting To Say". http://www.guardian.co.uk/weblog/bestbritishblog/ - "A strange game, Professor Falken..." http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/comment/0,7496,765161,00.html - "...the only winning move is not to play." >> TRACKING << sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering The respective trademark holders will hate this, but Windows really *is* like the Sun. You have this big hulking mass of concentrated power in the middle, with a few small orbiting utilities - like WinZip, and PuTTY, and VNC. Occasionally one will get a bit too close to the OS, and Microsoft will suck it down and turn it into fuel for the System. One such discrete satellite remains FILEZILLA, the still-necessary ftp gui client for Windows. Those who know it won't need the introduction, although they might appreciate the note that it's getting close to v2.0 time. For dogged WS_FTP users, though, it's got multiple downloads, auto-restart of interrupted 'loads, queuing, and sftp and Kerberos support. It's also GPL'd which makes it a nice bit of source for anyone wanting to grok Win32 networking from something that works. http://filezilla.sf.net/ - talking of trademarks, will the Godzilla people strike before MS? >> MEMEPOOL << ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/ (Not safe for work) next year's RED NOSE DAY looks more fun than usual: http://www.threepillows.com/tour2.htm ... Mirrored Disaster Recovery Suite - to go with mirrored bathroom etc?: http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=1450 ... and then the kid can take you to court for mental cruelty: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/08/27/turok.baby.reut/ ... "funny" prefixes in front of "chalking" #n+1 - the actually quite pragmatic: http://www.pinkbunny.co.uk/poochalking/ ... no longer knowing - or caring - if these are prank AMAZON reviews or not, for Potter's ever-popular "vibrating" broom: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/ ... ditto "Use This Software At Your Own Risk" disclaimer for: http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41030 ... DAFFY DUCK appears in dock - accused of "dethpicable" behaviour?: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2223065.stm , http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_659889.html ... >> GEEK MEDIA << get out less TV>> celebrity cameo night tonight, with Brad Pitt in FRIENDS (9pm, Fri, C4), Sydney Pollack in WILL AND GRACE (9.30pm, Fri, C4), Dustin Hoffman in V GRAHAM NORTON (10.30pm, Fri, C4), and a singing, dancing peanut in globalised trade documentary ALT- TV (7.30pm, Fri, C4)... the BBC have kept McEnroe and the heart monitor, got rid of the live crocodiles in gimmicky quizshow THE CHAIR (6.40pm, Sat, BBC1)... and a month of "September 11th" specials kicks off with AVENGING TERROR (8pm, Sat & Sun, C4) - yet those responsible for BOWFINGER (9pm, Sat, C4) and NOTTING HILL (9pm, Sun, C4) still remain unpunished... John "The Last Seduction" Dahl's ROUNDERS (11pm, Sat, BBC2) turns out to be about high-stakes poker, rather than the girls' version of baseball... in the wake of DAVE GORMAN'S IMPORTANT ASTROLOGY EXPERIMENT (10.40pm, Sun, BBC2), how about a three-way challenge where he, Tony Hawks and Pete McCarthy battle to come up with the most lucrative pointless pretext for a book and TV show?... but we still have a soft spot for Ron "Alien: Resurrection" Perlman liberal self- flagellation THE LAST SUPPER (11.20pm, Sun, C4)... 9/11 CLEAR THE SKIES (9pm, Sun, BBC2) is a presumably uneventful account of "how US air defence systems responded to the events of September 11th"... inexplicably, the three finalists in THE TARTIEST MEN IN BRITAIN (10.30pm, Mon, ITV) all come from Leeds... Larry Clark takes a somewhat indirect approach to conveying his safe-sex message in New York filth-fest KIDS (1.15am, Tue, C4)... and the September 11th build-up continues with HOW THE TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSED (8pm, Mon, C4), LET'S ROLL: THE STORY OF FLIGHT 93 (10.30pm, Wed, ITV), plus THE MEYSSAN CONSPIRACY (11.05pm, Tue, C4) - ie the French guy behind: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm ... away from the polluted nightmare of modern living, a family seek out a new way of life in Earth Summit tie-in A LAND WORTH LOVING (7pm, Wed, BBC1)... which coincidentally also forms the plot of this week's second Heather "Bowfinger" Graham turkey, LOST IN SPACE (7.55pm, Wed, BBC1) - not to be confused with the return of those annoying posh women in WORLD'S WORST DRESSED (8pm, Wed, BBC2), who have at least shut up about their always-doomed hideously purple e-commerce site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/712188.stm ... FILM>> the comic skills of Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate and Parker Posey combine in a cross between a teen smut comedy and an episode of "Sex And The City", THE SWEETEST THING ( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_sweetest_thing.html : As [Diaz] and [Applegate] drive down the road still dressed in just their bras and underwear, [Applegate] drops her bottle of fingernail polish. [Diaz] then goes over to get it, with her panty-covered butt in the air and her head down toward [Applegate]'s legs and crotch; [Selma Blair] [has] her mouth stuck around a man's privates after apparently performing oral sex on him)... Robin Williams plays a surprisingly convincing Hannibal Lecter in morally complicated Alaskan Al Pacino murder madness INSOMNIA ( http://www.cndb.com/ : You can see [Crystal Lowe's] tits in autopsy photos and again - along with bush - when she's seen on a autopsy table. Nice boobs but she's dead)... it's Eddie Murphy, Randy Quaid, Jay "Jerry Maguire" Mohr, John Cleese and Pam Grier - together at last! - in blaxploitation sci-fi spoof THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH ( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_adventures_of_pluto_nash.html : the woman then causes the image of [Rosario "Kids" Dawson] to suddenly have much larger breasts and an exaggeratedly large rear end)... all of which, shockingly, are an improvement on John Woo interspersing lame battle scenes with agonising anti- racist philosophising in WW2 Navajo crypto clunker WINDTALKERS ( http://www.capalert.com/capreports/windtalkers.htm : gambling; beheading; brief partial nudity of a Japanese soldier; I have no doubt that such gore is present in war but must it be regurgitated in and as entertainment?)... >> SMALL PRINT << Need to Know is a useful and interesting UK digest of things that happened last week or might happen next week. You can read it on Friday afternoon or print it out then take it home if you have nothing better to do. It is compiled by NTK from stuff they get sent. Registered at the Post Office as "yeah, but bet we were banned first" http://www.b3ta.com/newsletter/issue54/ NEED TO KNOW THEY STOLE OUR REVOLUTION. NOW WE'RE STEALING IT BACK. Archive - http://www.ntk.net/ Unsubscribe? Mail ntknow-unsubscribe(a)lists.ntk.net Subscribe? Mail ntknow-subscribe(a)lists.ntk.net NTK now is supported by UNFORTU.NET, and by you: http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/ (K) 2002 Special Projects. Copying is fine, but include URL: http://www.ntk.net/ Tips, news and gossip to tips(a)spesh.com All communication is for publication, unless you beg. Press releases from naive PR people to pr(a)spesh.com Remember: Your work email may be monitored if sending sensitive material. Sending >500KB attachments is forbidden by the Geneva Convention. Your country may be at risk if you fail to comply.

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Net Censorship au style.
by Matthew X 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

Indymedia is under repression,its happened twice before.The first shut down Seattle and the Ohio server is no longer with us.See the main board at FBI/legal updates.lower left. On sept 11 the police are charging a mentally disabled man with threats to kill them.One was a comment to a post made here on May 8 and another on june 1 of 01. The Ohio legal situation arose after some local LEO's decided to set up grand juries and issue subpoena's before actually writing to the address provided on the offending post. Vic.Police followed precedent by not seeking to write the address provided.They did use a ph no on one of the posts to 'sting' the MD man by pretending to be from his ISP and offering a 'special deal.' The 'deal' turned into an ordeal for Matt Taylor of Kyneton. He was rousted for two hours,had things stolen and was later threatened at the police station.Taylor was charged with some petty public order offence's committed at M1 last year.The good behavior bond issued for those expire in Oct. Apart from that there is no criminal history.The police kept a computer seized from Taylor and finally examined it. The computer policeman who examined it,(actually a 'ghost' copy of the hard drive.)said he found 21 items of interest on the computer. Two have been put forward as supposed evedence of the crime of 'threats to kill.'1 is a copy of an e-mail sent sometime after the May 8 post.It's datestamped and it differs from the posts timestamp. The second item is a copy of a post that went up on June 1. It is not timestamped apart from the time on the Indy site that it was made. The Police are seriously putting forth the proposition that a few Kbs of data out of Gigabytes that someone stored and/or sent from the laptop prove >beyond reasonable doubt < that Taylor is their man. That no one else had the means motive and opportunity? Give us a fucking break. When Ashley Gardiner of the Hun wrote to Declan Mc Cullogh he wrote,"we got your man!" Note the 'we'. The Hun provided the police with a small mountain of their surveillance tapes and photo's of M1. 25,000$ reward was offered for Taylor's arrest in mid May by the La Raza Nazi organization.Many Threats were directed at Taylor by various different sounding anonymous cowards.The nom de Guerre allegedly used by Taylor appears to have been used by other(s) and in a way as to discredit him. 250$ was regularly offered to punch Taylor in the face hard enough to knock him down.All this on IMC's If you search yourself you will find many posts under the name 'proffr' and 'profrv.'Do they all appear to be from the same man? We have all put up with the long standing Hatfield-McCoy fued of Mayne and Hoser.Thats not the only disputed ID war on Indymedia. The police themselves say in court,"this(indy)site is one where anyone can download." Therefore ANYONE online at the time those "threats," were made could have made them by the Police's own admission. So why delay a trial,bring frivolous charges and harass the defendant and even try and nobble him? FOI has already exposed much about this,no doubt much more will come out. Like who was the mysterious 'observer' at Taylors arrest? Who was in charge,State or Feds? or the (ASIO?) 'Observer.'? Why was a US SS agent overseeing the arrest? Does the US want to extradite Taylor as has been alleged by Taylors case worker,Julian Jamieson of Kyneton? What will happen to Indymedia when someone alleged to be a regular contributor is found guilty of offences carrying a 20 year penalty? If anyone can be found guilty of such an 'offence' in this way then is anyone contributing here safe? Is the ultimate aim of this prosecution to chill Indy comment? Where else is this occurring? This is from EFA.and FBI/legal link... http://www.sjgames.com/SS/ August 31. -- Closure of the outspoken Internet forum Baiyun Huanghe after students posted messages about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. DFN and other NGOs reported about the closure on September 6. The Baiyun Huanghe bulletin board service (BBS - formerly hosted at http://bbs.whnet.edu.cn) belonged to the Huazhong University of Science and Technology (Wuhan, Hubei province). University officials announced that they were temporarily shutting down the BBS, which had 30,000 registered users, "due to technical problems." A school official told Reuters that the university's party committee would manage the BBS after the shutdown. Users would be required to register with their real names and identification numbers. DFN said "online discussion of the closure continues on other sites". "For example, an Internet forum for Huazhong University alumni (http://www.neurophys.wisc.edu/~cai/hust/) has been active since Baiyun Huanghe was shut down. The alumni forum is run by a nonprofit alumni organization based in the U.S." Last March, DFN added, the Sina.com Web site "erased hundreds of messages from its chat rooms which expressed outrage about an explosion that destroyed an elementary school ... killing 38 children. Government officials had claimed that the explosion was the result of a mad bomber, but parents said cash-strapped teachers forced children to assemble fireworks inside the school." "And last June, authorities closed online forums at the Southern Weekend weekly newspaper and the Xici Hutong Web site's Democracy and Human Rights Forum after people expressed concern about recent newspaper closures and firings." + Main source: DFN, Sept. 6 + An updated list of online forums closed in China (DFN) "...This approach is taken in Australian Commonwealth law (although it has not been enforced in this manner to date) and also in, for example, China, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, the United Arab Emirates and Vietnam. Some countries require Internet access providers to block material while others only allow restricted access to the Internet through a government controlled access point. http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/cens3.html "...In contrast to Australia, governments in comparable countries including Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and various European countries have chosen to legislate to give citizens a right in domestic law to freedom of expression similar to that contained in the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Such a right is by no means absolute and does not prevent governments from enacting or enforcing laws restricting freedom of expression. However, to the best of EFA's knowledge, governments in these countries have not enacted or indicated any intent to enact, Internet censorship legislation as restrictive of adults' freedom of expression, as that existing and proposed in Australia. "..."China has issued its most intrusive Internet controls to date, ordering service providers to screen private e-mail for political content and holding them responsible for subversive postings on their Web sites. ... Under the new rules, general portal sites must install security programs to screen and copy all e-mail messages sent or received by users. Those containing 'sensitive materials' must be turned over to authorities. Providers are also responsible for erasing all prohibited content posted on their Web sites, including online chatrooms and bulletin boards. "...In Saudi Arabia, public access to and from the Internet has been funnelled through a single government controlled centre since February 1999 when Internet access was first made available. From this centre, the government blocks access to Internet content deemed unsuitable for the country's citizens..." "...In May 1998, the Swedish Parliament enacted the "Act (1998:112) on Responsibility for Electronic Bulletin Boards". Electronic bulletin board is defined so as to include storage of data on the Internet, such as web pages, etc (thereby excluding personal e-mail that is only stored in individuals' mailboxes). The law places an obligation on service providers who store information (not those who only provide connections to the Internet) to remove or make inaccessible content that is obviously illegal (they do not have to decide in doubtful cases) according to the penal code, that is: instigation of rebellion (section 16 article 5) racial agitation (section 16 article 8) child pornography (section 16 article 10) illegal description of violence (section 16 article 10) or when it obvious that the user has infringed copyright law. According to explanations of the law made by the government, in computer areas where illegal messages often occur, the service providers must check what is stored, but in other areas, it is enough compliance for service providers to check when someone complains that something illegal has been stored. The above information is a very brief summary of information available (as at March 2002) on the web site of Jacob Palme of the Department of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University/KTH. For more detailed information see Jacob Palme's pages: Swedish Attempts to regulate the Internet - BBS Act http://dsv.su.se/jpalme/society/swedish-attempts.html#Heading12 Swedish BBS Act http://dsv.su.se/jpalme/society/swedish-bbs-act.html

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Apster thread at anti-state and GREAT DANE!
by Matthew X 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

http://www.anti-state.com/murphy/murphy18.html Reduced to rooting around in the forest floor with ancap swine,FUCK me DEAD! Great Dane for BBS's http://melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=32685&group=webcast "...is someone in victoria been charged for writting something on indymedia? " Yes and he even leaves his MOTHERFUCKING E_MAIL ADRESS there.I despair sometimes,I swear.All I ask is a a small group of thoughtful, committed netizens,is that too FREAKING MUCH! AARRRRGGGGHHHH!

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$25 is a drop in the bucket for what you'll get in return!
by cypherpunks＠Algebra.COM 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

All our mailings are sent complying to the proposed H.R. 3113 Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2000. Please see the bottom of this message for further information and removal instructions. PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN HIS CLOSET! Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You most likely have just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program (USA). And reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of the woods - New Zealand). His mother was cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across a large brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her 15-year-old sons closet. Nothing could have prepared her for the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it was full of cash. Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly rubber-banded in labelled piles. "My first thought was that he had robbed a bank", says the 41-year-old woman, "There was over $71,000 dollars in that bag --that's more than my husband earns in a year". The woman immediately called her husband at the car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she had discovered.He came home right away and they drove together to the boys school and picked him up. Little did they suspect that where the money came from was more shocking than actually finding it in the closet. As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of "Report" to E-mail addresses that he obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer in his bedroom. "I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name on it like the instructions said and I started sending it out", says the clever 15-year-old. The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person on the list, then delete the address at the top and move the others addresses Down , and finally to add your name to the top of the list. The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand dollars in five-dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the top of the 5-address list. "I get junk E-mail all the time, and really did not think it was going to work", the boy continues. Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box that his parents had gotten him for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing $5 bills. "About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my box had 1 magazine and about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said I had to go up to the [post office] counter. I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)". He goes on, "I went up to the counter and they had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty out my backpack because I could not carry it all". Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail." The money just kept coming in and I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely had time for my homework".He had also been riding his bike to several of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties and hundreds. "I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different banks with like five thousand at a time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to exchange the money] and he was outside waiting for me.One time the lady gave me a really strange look and told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would have to come in and do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)." Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid.The reporting news team examined and investigated the so-called "chain-letter" the boy was sending out and found that it was not a chain-letter at all.In fact, it was completely legal according to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of federal regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged for money received. Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that read, "Please send me report number XYX".This simple note made the letter legal because he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a five-dollar fee. [This is the end of the media release. If you would like to understand how the system works and get your $71,000 - please continue reading. What appears below is what the 15 year old was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple instructions]. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BE FINANCIALLY FREE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say "Bull", please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are "absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some megabucks with only $25 out of pocket cost". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. Note* follow the directons below, I had best results the second time when I hired a bulk email service in addition to following the reports instructions. In order for all of us to be successful, many, many emails must be sent so that the returns are many. I have been extremely successful using the following company. They send out the offers, and all I do is accept money for reports, then I send back to the people as soon as possible. This is what one had to say: "Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in". Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything." More testimonials later but first, PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ++++ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below +++ For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step "1 through 6" or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That equals 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report #3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report #5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 +2.....$500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000....... Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD #2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper or aluminum foil. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net Order Report #1 from: R. R. PO Box 18048 Chicago, IL 60618 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report #2 from: GM Boland 353 Jonestown Rd. Suite 125 Winston Salem, NC 27104 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net Order Report #3 from: R. Chernick PO Box 771661 C.S. Florida 33077 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net Order Report #4 from: M. Eiseman PO Box 451971 Sunrise, Florida 33345-1971 ____________________________________________________ REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free Order Report #5 From: L.Samon PO BOX 31 Castletown Isle of Man IM 99 5XP +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: +++ If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. =orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. +++ Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report#1 and moved others to #2 thru #5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ++++++++++++++++ MORE TESTIMONIALS ++++++++++++++++ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail". I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00....all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her "hobby". Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back". "I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big". Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks". Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,D.C. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This email was sent to you via Saf-E Mail Systems. Your email address was automatically inserted into the To and From addresses to eliminate undeliverables which waste bandwidth and cause internet congestion. Your email or webserver IS NOT being used for the sending of this mail. No-one else is receiving emails from your address. 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Oxymorons R us- Australian Intelligence.
by Matthew X 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

The Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) Disclaimer The Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS). Disclaimer. Please do not enter the web pages of the Australian Secret Intelligence ... Oh go on...be a devil... http://www.asis.gov.au/ ASIS was formed in 1952 but the organisation was not publicly acknowledged until 1977 Maybe because it was first called ASS.Aussie secret service.The I was added later for some weird reason.Maybe they were embarrassed about being set up with major input from a spy,Charles Ellis,who gave the nazi's the entire battle order of England in1940. He may have spied for the Russkies when they were at their most evil too.Guess youd want to keep that secret as long as you could. 1977. At that time the Prime Minister stated to Parliament that 'ASIS' capacity to serve Australia's national interest will continue to depend on its activities being fully protected by secrecy.' Well wouldn't you if the CIA's,"our man Kerr,"had placed you there as PM in a coup? "They have a terrific sense of humour down there in OzzieLand." W.Colby.Nugan Hand.director. ASIS is not a police or law enforcement agency. It is prohibited by law from planning for, or undertaking, paramilitary activities involving violence against the person or the use of weapons. "Cept when training eh boys!" Hahaha! http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/wayward/ch8.html Theres heaps more but I just started so Ill post this now before I get shot or something.

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