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Where's Osama? (Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's next)
by Sunder 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Anyone guess where's Waldo (Osama) now? My guess he's on the end of a bungee > being kicked into Iraq right now! (The other end of the bungee is in a US > chopper!) Osama is wherever Bush wants him to be. Once we're done with Iraq (assuming that we'd win that Vietnam**2 war - Ha!), Osama will magically produce yet another audio or video tape from North Korea or whatever nation Bush wants to make his next bitch. At this point, we do have the technology to alter both video and audio, and to build fake clips at will. I don't believe that the latest audio bite has been forged by us, but rather that the technology exists. Likely Osama is either dead or has had cosmetic surgery enough for him to live the rest of his days in the French riviera, and what sound bites and videos we have seen and will see are pre-recorded ones. While I'm opposed to us going to war since I believe that between Afghanistan and Iraq, we're opening ourselves up for a far worse beating than Vientam in the long term, I'm far more opposed to the outright lies being presented as reasons for doing so, and the sheer bald faced freedom and privacy grabs that this is an excuse for. Even if we pull a victory like we did in Japan and both democratise and capitalize Afghanistan and Iraq, in the long term, they'll become economic competition. If we "do" Afghanistan again, like we did them after Russia fell and abadon them without further support, it'll turn out the same as it did, like Somalia and other failed abandoned overthrown states. In the end, that will produce far more terrorists than we have seen to date, more of our freedoms will be taken away unil an equilibrium of rights will exist between the USA and dictatorships like Iraq. Luckily there's only two more years before the next election...

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne
by Ken Hirsch 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Harmon Seaver wrote: > I don't see that Saddam is any less moral than Dubbya and Asscruft. What can you possibly mean by saying this? You lose all credibility for real criticism when you utter such inanities. It's like comparing a shoplifter with Jeffrey Dahmer. Either you're ignorant of what Saddam is about or you have no sense of proportion. Or maybe I'm just not paying attention. Was I not watching the news the night when Bush, after seizing power, marched onto the floors of Congress in front of cameras and had 21 top officials hauled off for summary execution, as Saddam did in 1979? (btw, the U.S. had nothing to do with Saddam taking power) Did I miss it when Bush had Colin Powell's brother tortured to death, like Saddam did with his foreign minister's son? http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,801613,00.html I must have missed the revelation of the prison where Bush is holding children hostage, like Saddam's prison which was too horrible for Scott Ritter to talk about. (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.html) I must have missed the testimony about Bush crippling and maiming children with torture. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2058253.stm or http://tinyurl.com/2p21) I must have missed the thousands of political prisoners executed. I must have missed it when Bush invaded Canada AND Mexico. I think my radio was broken the day Bush gassed Berkeley. Get a clue! Check out Amnesty International's annual report on Iraq. http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/aireport/ar99/mde14.htm or ANY OTHER YEAR!

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by Lurline Bulger 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

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Yodels, new anonymous e-currency
by Nomen Nescio 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

According to this link, http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2002/11/11/4183/2039, a new form of digital cash called "yodels" is being offered anonymously: > Thanks to developments in anonymous communication, such as Freenet and the > invisible irc project, anonymous digital cash has become a reality. Yodel > Bank is offering 'yodels' as a form of currency you can exchange with > people who you've never met outside of anonymous means. For example, > you could pay for some web design or a hosting service anonymously, > play video poker with real anonymous money on iip, or make a donation to > a charity without disclosing who you are. Yodel Bank is relatively new, > but now that you can transfer money over IIP and Freenet, a real vibrant > anonymous economy is springing up, and it's unclear how goverments > will react to this 'private' banking. Also it remains unclear if an > Assassination Politics service will arise due to these technologies. Supposedly, then, this is cash which can be transferred anonymously via IIP or Freenet. Leaving aside the question of trusting an anonymous bank (trust takes time), the sticking point for ecash is how to transfer between yodels and other currencies. Without transferability, what gives yodels their value? > The author of Yodel Bank can be reached on IIP under the name yodel on > #yodel. He claims to be fully anonymous to the world, and has purchased > the domain name and hosting by using his currency. He understands that > trust is something that takes time to develop in an anonymous bank. I > definately suggest you give his service a try. So Mr. Yodel purchased his domain name (what domain name?) and his hosting by using yodels. If someone is selling these services for yodels, that could provide a limited basis for giving the currency value. An additional comment suggests that more information can be found at the Freenet address SSK@Mt3s3k7PCEUzbNW6zeI2oyRT0jgPAgM/yodel//. This is a "Freesite" and you need the Freenet software installed to access it.

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RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne
by Vincent Penquerc'h 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

> How can anyone claim that the U.S. or Israel or corporations or rich > Americans are morally worse than the likes of Hussein? ...I have to bow to the urge to answer.... Note that everything that was proposed is bombing. Killing innocents, in an attempt to make them revolt and overthrow their leaders so you don't have to do it. Nothing was attempted (or was said on this) for killing the only person. George W Bush is a criminal. He should be jailed. This doesn't mean I will bomb the hell out of the US until the Americans jail him. The US have a long history of killing other people (note, not just "bad/immoral/evil/whatever" people, just the ones that happen to stand between the current government of a country and a US client government (which is *not* a democratic government most of the time a you can see from history). Thus, why should I think the US is right attacking Iraq ? I see it as yet another shameless power grab accompanied by lots of PR to make it seem like the US are punishing the nasty villain. Somebody tell Dubya this ain't Hollowood. -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne
by Marshall Clow 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

[ I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but there might be someone out there who could benefit from this. ] Tyler Durden wrote: >Aside from this is the issue of continued American dependence on oil, a dependence that could be greatly reduced if we put our minds to it, but we seem to be so addicted to our current lifestyle that we would rather launch wars rather than face our internal issues. You blithely say "if we put our minds to it", as if that were a simple thing. [ Hint: Minds have been "put to it" before. ] For your amusement, here are a few dates from history: November 7, 1973 President Nixon launches Project Independence, with the goal of achieving energy self-sufficiency by 1980. April 18, 1977 President Carter announces National Energy Plan in his first major energy speech. Goal is to reduce oil imports by 65%, and to reduce energy growth to 2%/year. March 17, 1987 President Reagan's Energy Security Report outlines the Nation's increasing dependence on foreign oil. February 20, 1991 President Bush presents the Department's National Energy Strategy to Congress and the American people. -- -- Marshall Marshall Clow Idio Software <mailto:marshall@idio.com> Hey! Who messed with my anti-paranoia shot?

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