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RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne
by Vincent Penquerc'h 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

> Israeli tanks aren't the ONLY things that kill someone's > kids. The whole > region has been at war for 100's of years. If Israel backed You do realize that the whole world has been at war for hundreds of years, do you ? Israel is now the bully in the region, and is conforted in keeping this role by the US support. This does not mean at all that this was always the case. Of course there were other bullies in the past, and possibly now too. This should not mean that this should excuse this particular bully. It is my opinion that, after the fall of the USSR, which I saw as a good thing, the US are now becoming much too dangerous and need to fall, too. Having two nuke crazed countries in the world was dangerous, but at least they were keeping tabs on each other. I am frankly scared of what the US are becoming today. Of their government's covert/overt manipulations, dishonesty, and violence. Of course, I do realize that they are not alone in this game, and that all others are doing the same kind of things. However, the US are now in a position to do this more easily, with more power, and still get away with it, which makes them so much more dangerous. They don't need actual weapons to maim any more. I just hope that Americans see this, and see that what they're going to get from this behavior isn't world domination, but either a genocide of half the planet, or a life in a bared wire world, with no freedom left, in a vain attempt to protect themselves against the rage they've patiently cultivated. -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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20 Nov '02

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Re: Vengeance Hacking the Watch List-- Monkeywrenching the Police State
by Tim May 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 11:20 PM, Tim May wrote: > > * Add additional names...perhaps some in-laws, relatives, college > friends, or colleagues of those who are responsible for this Witch > Hunt. It may be unfortunate to implicate some "innocents," but broken > eggs are inevitable. Ideally, guilty parties, but the names can't be > too well-known, as this undercuts the plausibility of the document. And I should have added the obvious: add some Arabic names that are relatives of actual Arabs complicit in Washington's police state activities....perhaps the name of a college student son or daughter of an Ragheadistani assistant embassy official, that sort of thing. These names will blend in with the other Arabic-appearing names. Add your ideas! --Tim May ""Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." --Patrick Henry

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Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:48:37PM -0500, Dave Emery wrote: > I might hasten to add that as I am sure Declan knows, this > addition to the Homeland Defense Act also includes the CSEA provisions > that turn hobby listening to certain easy to receive but off limit > radio signals from an offense with a maximum penalty of a $500 fine > to a federal felony with 5 years in prison as penalty. Dave, Thanks for the details about the hobby listening. I looked through the bill quickly again, and couldn't find the prohibitions you describe. The bill as passed by the House is here, with the Senate version near- identical: http://www.house.gov/rules/homeland.pdf Got a page number? -Declan

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17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, Project Lookout
by Tim May 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

A company I am involved with has been on the distribution list for the FBI's Project Lookout watch list, the list being shared with banks, electronics companies, consulting firms, transportation companies, and 1100 other firms. Cross-indexing with the CP subscriber list, I find 17 names on both lists. We must be vigilant! Civil rights are only for innocents, not guilty persons. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/ML/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns Recent interests: category theory, toposes, algebraic topology

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the wrong poem
by AARG! Anonymous 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

The saddest thing here is that this gets reported without any comment. Snuffing journalists seems far more cost effective than offing pigs. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/3443476.html .. Baker discounted claims by federal authorities that Maali had financially supported terrorist groups when he made donations to Palestinian charities, and that an essay and poems he had written showed sympathy for suicide bombers in Israel. ..

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by rhofImprove your Health Free 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

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Re: 17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, Project Lookout
by peter zulu 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

here's the list as of 10-11-01: http://www.vrwa.org/fbiwatchlist.htm w.a.s.t.e ;) >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: 17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, Project Lookout >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:06:35 -0800 > > >A company I am involved with has been on the distribution list for the >FBI's Project Lookout watch list, the list being shared with banks, >electronics companies, consulting firms, transportation companies, and 1100 >other firms. > >Cross-indexing with the CP subscriber list, I find 17 names on both lists. > >We must be vigilant! Civil rights are only for innocents, not guilty >persons. > >--Tim May >-- >Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California >Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon >Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/ML/agents/games/Go >Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns >Recent interests: category theory, toposes, algebraic topology _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Why we spent a decade+ building strong crypto & security
by R. A. Hettinga 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne
by Mike Diehl 19 Nov '02

19 Nov '02

On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote: > Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we > succeeded in the revolutionary war by "inventing a new form of > warfare". The reality is that the british were marching in formation > for very, very good reasons. Their tactics were an early form of > Napoleanic tactics (the techniques perfected by Bonaparte and used to > SMASH most of the rest of Europe). They evolved from several factors > notably: That is very interesting and smells true. But I have read an historical account of how we slaughtered the "Reds" from the hills as they marched. Seems to be a contradiction here that I can't resolve. -- Mike Diehl PGP Encrypted E-mail preferred. Public Key via: http://dominion.dyndns.org/~mdiehl/mdiehl.asc

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