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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS
by Tim May 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Ralph Seberry wrote: > On Sunday, 02 Feb 2003 at 20:57, Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >> (I am replying to the CP list, but suppressing the name of the poster. >> He/she sent his/her comments to a "recipient list suppressed" private >> distribution. If people send me comments, don't expect to me to just >> take them in silence. I will, however, suppress the author unless and >> until too many such private distributions occur.) > > Steve Schear sent the email to cypherpunks(a)lne.com > without any attempt to disguise the sender. The full headers below are how I received the message:

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Re: "Real Facts" and "Good Facts"
by Bill Frantz 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

At 12:26 PM -0800 2/2/03, Eric Cordian quoted: >In another teletext moment on CNN, the shuttle was described as traveling >at "Mock 18." We mach (sic) their idiocy. Cheers - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Due process for all | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the Ameican | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)pwpconsult.com | way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS
by Harmon Seaver 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:27:06PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: > I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small, > remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried > on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely > inspect the exterior of the craft for possible damage. Even if the shuttle > could not be immediately repaired, it could be somehow moored at some part > of the station and left there till a repair mission could be effected or > perhaps sacrificed by a controlled burn re-entry over an unpopulated area > of the earth as some satellites have already ended their days. In any case > astronauts would then not need to "live-test" a possibly damaged shuttle as > those on Columbia did Saturday. If they had thought there was damage, couldn't they have just done a tethered space walk to look at it? I thought space walks were a normal practice on both the shuttle and ISS. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
by Dave Howe 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Sunder wrote: > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > gravity... uh huh. Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringing sooper Sekrit spy satellites back?

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Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
by Steve Thompson 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

--- Eric Murray <ericm(a)lne.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb > I'm not sure which is more irritating-- the obvious > way in which > the govermedia manipulate the issue, or their > automatic assumption that > americans are too stupid/criminal to turn in all the > parts they > find if NASA just said "we need all the parts, > please bring 'em in". In part it seems it is because such a vast number of people in America have been so well served by the education system that the most effective way to coerce obedience is to invoke their fear of the unknown. I'm sure that the other part of the equation is that the government officials responsible for the cleanup feel they must take advantage of every oppourtunity to assert their authority; to make it impicit to every command/request. It is an insult to the intelligence, but to speak out in indignation invites the wrath of the low-level, insecure powers that be. Regards, Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Apparently search warrants are not needed to enter property if NASA wants to
by Tim May 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

Watching some of the news coverage of the search (from the aptly named Palestine, Texas), it's clear that no search warrants are being gotten for the debris searchers to enter farms, yards, backyards, corporation lands, ranches, etc. The cameras show them simply vaulting fences and looking for anything they can find. When was the Fourth Amendment and "a man's home is his castle" suspended? If a property owner defends his borders with a shotgun, is he shipped to Camp X-Ray? Fuck this country. Fuck it dead. Osama, we beseech you!! --Tim May "The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat

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A special excite game
by reinhold 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

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Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
by Tim May 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 04:11 PM, Sunder wrote: > > Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have > been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy > satelites, or > repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. > > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > gravity... uh huh. But, but, but the Israeli Payload Specialist, the Colonel in the IDF who was on the bombing mission to take out the Osirak reactor in Iraq in 1981, certainly was not involved with any kind of surveillance satellite work! His sole duty was to investigate the effects of gamma rays on man-in-the-moon marigolds. That's NASA's story...and they're sticking to it. "Pay no attention to the Israeli Defense Forces spy behind the DOD curtain!" (Several times in the past we have only been told long after the fact that what had been billed as a "scientific mission" by NSA, er, NASA, was actually a military mission. Given that missions are very, very expensive and usually have somewhat-justifiable mission goals, the fact that this mission had no publically-disclosed goals except "science fair projects" suggests strongly why the Israeli pilot was on this particular mission. And Pakistan may be wondering what the Indian woman was doing.) --Tim May

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Re: punk and free markets
by Tyler Durden 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

Declan: Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a while, to the extent that I am able.... -TD >From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> >CC: tcmay(a)got.net, cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Re: punk and free markets >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:48:40 -0500 > >On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: > > name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me >off > > when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and >enforce > > whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to. > >"Jocks enforcing ideology" seems to me to be a concept coterminous >with "flaming the clueless." > >:) > >-Declan _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
by Tyler Durden 02 Feb '03

02 Feb '03

Tim May wrote... "Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." " Yo Choate! Want to take a crack at this? Please explain using your theories how the shuttle can be traveling 18 times faster than light! -TD "Ain't I a stinker?" BB >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your >body!" >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:19:27 -0800 > >Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has >evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. > >Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one >Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as >"bringing supplies to the space station.) > >The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" >and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and >12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. > >What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them >on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and >EBay. > >But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter >obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." > >"DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and >plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and >caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. > >"Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it >could be harmful. > >"Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid >nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " > >Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid >oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on >the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and >reporters report). > >(Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials >picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to >deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary >coveralls and uniforms.) > >Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the >bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster >than the speed of light." > >Yes, "speed of light." > >Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie >about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because >these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. > >A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants >these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces >of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they >certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you >jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" > > >--Tim May, Occupied America >"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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