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RE: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Vincent Penquerc'h 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

> Just because it's cool and we can call it electronic cash? What's the > point? Why would you bother building it? Why would anyone > bother using > it? Ah, to make money off it of course! Advertize it, and people will use it. Maybe. For a time. And when it wears off, you launch another one. Sure, it's pointless technically, but so are many gimmicks that are commercially viable, if only for a limited time. And maybe the LEAs are actually even pushing it as a way to easily catch clueless criminals :) -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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[fc-announce] FC '04: Call for Papers
by R. A. Hettinga 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

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Re: Dna samples of world leaders
by Nomen Nescio 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

> Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the What is most troubling is that USG assumes (correctly ?) that assassinating relatives of enemies of the state will be welcomed by the public.

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Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email
by Major Variola (ret) 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

At 11:36 PM 7/20/03 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: >On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Steve Schear wrote: > >> >remove a small 1" button pinned to my left lapel. I declined, saying >> >that it was a political statement and that he had no right to censor >> >passengers' political speech. The button, which was created by > >Where do these ridiculous ideas come from ? If I own a piece of private >property, like an airplane (or an entire airline) for instance, I can >impose whatever senseless and arbitrary conditions on your use of it as I >please. Yes. Except that you entered into a contract to transport a human in exchange for money. No where in the contract was "banned speech" mentioned. Suppose that instead two men were kicked off a flight for holding hands, or a woman & offspring for breast-feeding. That would be a violation of the transportation contract. Because such behavior does not endanger the flight or passengers. (Although all behaviors cannot be enumerated, under a "reasonable" common-law interpretation of the contract, passive speech (vs. say screaming the whole flight) is harmless.) Private property rights, of course. But contract law too.

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Re: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email
by Freematt357＠aol.com 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

In a message dated 7/23/2003 9:23:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com writes: Actually, that's an interesting point. Let's first of all remember that Gilmore was allowed onto the plane in the first place, so airport security didn't care or notice. You are correct, and this means that the TSA Nazis failed to adequately identify a potential security threat. The button being discovered by British Airways. Remember 9/11 was a failure of our alphabet agencies for adequately protecting us, and naturally in response we've run to protection to another new alphabet agency, how sad. http://www.freeohio.us/pamphlets/airport.pdf Regards, Matt-

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Re: Dna samples of world leaders
by Major Variola (ret) 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

At 11:56 PM 7/22/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: >Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the >bodies were said to be send for positive >identification through dna tests.How are these samples >obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to >the US during peace times?What more effecient methods >are used? > >Sarath. A guy was busted by using DNA from an envelope he licked in response to a "sting" letter from the police (but not appearing so). A guy was caught because his *son's* DNA was on file. Go dump-diving in places where his trash is dumped. And at his relatives houses. Befriend/employ someone where he/they get their bloodwork done. Cleaning people who dust where he sits. His barber. His launderer. Wonder how they got their dentalcharts. They'll have to show us the beef if they want to be believed. Of course, Bush and Rummy holding their heads on sticks will have to be edited from US markets... The first rule of missile fighting: the one who brings the full-auto rifle loses.

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Dna samples of world leaders
by Sarad AV 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

hi, Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the bodies were said to be send for positive identification through dna tests.How are these samples obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to the US during peace times?What more effecient methods are used? Sarath. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Re: Remember 9/11
by Freematt357＠aol.com 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

In a message dated 7/23/2003 11:57:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, netkita(a)earthlink.net writes: This I feel is very unfair. While I do think that the Fbi and Secret Service could be closed and their tasks combined and given over to the NSA ,Marines and other law enforcement agencies, I think that overall the agencies did the best they could. This is utter bullshit. The US knew that Bin Laden was a threat and had been conducting covert operations with NSA against him for some number of years prior to 9/11. NSA was erasing the various bank databases that Bin Laden's funds were in and they were messing around with his wire transfers. Hell, Intel was even playing taped conversations of Bin Laden with his mother to impress Congress all prior to 9/11. Bin Laden choose the WTC as a symbol of American financial imperialism and as a punishment to our screwing with him...The failure IMHO is that rather than in engaging in largely harassing techniques-We should have gone after him in much as the same fashion as we are today-It isn't like we didn't have ample warning. What I'm saying for the hearing impaired is that our Intel agencies made the threat worse by playing games that enraged the attacker (Bin Laden) rather than neutralizing the threat. Regards, Matt Gaylor-

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Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Sampo Syreeni 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

On 2003-07-22, Sunder uttered: >If the digicash isn't anonymous, it's worthless. I'd argue to the contrary. First, "most people have nothing to hide". The folks will want digicash for reasons other than anonymity, as argued by this particular "inventor" (I've wanted to handle my cash automatically eversince I got my first debit card). Second, once the cash is online, it's considerably easier to pool it, confuse the authorities about it, connect it to the existing anonymity infrastructure, build secondary services which allow its origin to be completely masked, and so on. These sorts of hacks can well bridge the gap between ordinary cash/credit and truly anonymous online specie. They aren't the final solution, but they can help overcome the chicken and egg problem inherent in all digicash. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:decoy@iki.fi, tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2

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Leech politics could be bad for your health
by Steve Schear 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Could your political beliefs determine how long you live? New research from sociologist Dr William Cockerham and colleagues from the University of Alabama in the United States has found that differences in attitudes to looking after your body and your health are predicted by your political allegiances. It seems those who believe the state should take responsibility for most aspects of life also tend to eschew personal responsibility for taking care of themselves. As a result, they are more likely to engage in lifestyles hazardous to their health, including drinking to excess and not exercising. http://thescotsman.co.uk/health.cfm?id=765012003 steve "Il dulce far niente" The sweetness of doing nothing My unemployment motto

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