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Re: Compuserve is Not "Censoring": Look to Governments for the Cause
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Dec 28, 1995 23:30:19, 'tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May)' wrote: > >I see a positive longterm trend toward people connecting through smaller, >more local services. > Quite correct. Not only does the internet radically change (at least perceptions) of space and time, it also is producing serious disequilibriums of scale in economics. Economy of scale states that until a farily high limit is reached, bigger enterprises tend to produce goods that are less expensive than those produced by smaller enterprises. Specialized handicraft production aside, the goods produced in larger enterprises also tend to be of higher quality. The disequilibrium here began with the development of the microprocessor as we see from the shift to the old centralized IBM iron to the microcomputers we're using today. Ditto certain aspects of network switching. Ditto DES moved from centralized hardware to decentralized software. We're seeing a growing dystopian world where national entities and non-governmental organizations all seek to enforce their particular cultural/political/economic/etc. biases on the global internet. I believe this process will continue for some period of time. At the same time we may (and I think likely will) see aspects of the net broken down into widely geographically separated locations that simultaneously have no more effect on end users than the floor at the central library on which the book we want resides. E.G. we'll use Denmark to get "alt.sex.granny.gum-jobs," ftp to Singapore for "/warez/microsoft/win99/hack/" and to the Turcos Islands for "data.finance.internal.morgan." We'll have all three open and on our monitor at the same time, passed through an second-level ISP in some small country that decides there's money in switching and will no more regulate data throughput than they would try to hold hotel keepers responsible for the content of the phone calls made by their tenants. --tallpaul

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Re: Compuserve is Not "Censoring"
by Bill.Humphries＠msn.fullfeed.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a resend of a reply to Tim May's message on the CI$/Bundsweiser Republic/alt.nekkid.hitler.youth controversy. The Cypherpunks mailer didn't enjoy my attempts at humor in the headers... ------------ Tim May wrote: >At 4:52 PM 12/28/95, Cees de Groot wrote, speaking of Compuserve's recent >dropping of many newsgroups in response to demands by German prosecutors: > >>I won't start to comment on the style of this message. The term "Suitspeak" >>comes to mind. > >Perhaps it is "Suitspeak," but it is not "censorship." > >Or, more precisely, it is fear that government laws will be used to >sanction the service. Thus, it is the government of Germany in this case >which is "censoring." ("Censor" and "censorship" are notoriously overloaded >terms, of course.) It's a political problem. This demonstates the basic problem with tollerating monopolies in this industry. When governments interfere, everyone subscribing loses, which means most of the people in the audience for the service loses. Unfortunately, there are no technological fixes (in the short term) for monopolies. The shumpeterian cycle is too long for the time horizons engendered by the German government's actions or the Exon/Gorton/Hyde language. You have to fight monopolies on the political arena as well as the technical (remember how the WWW was going to liberate all of us on it's own? Until the elites recognized people wouldn't be watching Microsoft ads *conspiratorial wink*.) If I were a compuserve user, complain to your nearest German consulate and call your congresscritter. Those GOP types will have a field day condeming "euro-data-imperialism" during special order speeches on C-SPAN. Support your local ISP. Bill Humphries PS: If only the Germans worried about Nazis during the Nurmemberg trials the way they worry now, maybe they wouldn't be facing their current plauge of nativist/skinhead problems.

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Prevention Of Trauma 2 [NOISE]
by joee＠li.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Here's something scary to start your new year. . . ] << start of forwarded material >> ** Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:41:38 -0000 ** Reply-To: "POLI-PSY [ Political Science-Psychology/Psychiatry ]" ** <POLI-PSY(a)SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU> ** Sender: "POLI-PSY [ Political Science-Psychology/Psychiatry ]" ** <POLI-PSY(a)SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU> ** From: Michael Benjamin <pmhil(a)SHANI.NET> ** Subject: Prevention Of Trauma 2 ** X-To: Multiple recipients of list FORENSIC-PSYCHOLOGY ** <FORENSIC-PSYCHOLOGY(a)SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>, ** Multiple recipients of list LEGALTEN ** <LEGALTEN(a)SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>, ** Stress Traumatic <traumatic-stress(a)netcom.com> ** X-cc: Multiple recipients of list TRANSCULTURAL-PSYCHOLOGY ** <TRANSCULTURAL-PSYCHOLOGY(a)VM1.NoDak.EDU>, ** Traumatic Stress Forum <traumatic-stress(a)netcom.com> ** To: Multiple recipients of list POLI-PSY <POLI-PSY(a)SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU> ** ** PREVENTION TRAUMA II ** ** In a previous letter I pointed out the need to eliminate ** trauma by prevention. I mentioned that there are generally Agencies ** whose function is to prevent trauma, if it is in industry, military, driving, ** etc. These agencies have criteria for excluding people who they feel ** are liable to mal-function and cause trauma (danger). Often these ** Agencies employ programs to reduced the likelihood of trauma. ** I pointed out that I feel it is legitimate to help these Agencies ** not in defining their criteria but in eliciting the given criteria by the use ** of the techniques which are used in a Diagnostic Setting. I emphasize ** that the presence or absence of these criteria are not indicative of any ** pathology. As such I feel that this discussion does not only belong in ** the field of Forensic Psychiatry but is a legitimate form of treating ** trauma, i.e. prevention. ** In the field of Road Safety in Israel the Institute for Road ** Safety is a medical institute which advises on likelihood of a driver to ** be dangerous. ** The examination is carried out on all applicants for a Public ** License (taxi, autobus), heavy vehicle drivers, and drivers involved in ** fatal accidents, and drivers or prospective drivers who have had ** contact with Mental Health Care. Generally the exams are given by ** Psychologists and are based partially on the M.M.P.I. and a clinical ** examination. More difficult cases are referred to Consultant ** Psychiatrists and an Ad-Hoc Committee. ** The criteria under discussion are mainly:- Concentration, ** Attention, Projectivity, Judgment, Consistency, Reality Jesting, Ability ** to identify , Confirm with instructions, Impulsivity and Control over ** Impulsivity. ** Over the years we have found these to be of primary ** importance and we thus concentrate on illnesses or personality ** disturbance where these criteria may well occur. ** If these indications are discovered we check if they are ** causing driving delinquency. If so, we then determine if there is a ** reasonable likelihood of the patient / examinee being made to ** understand and correct himself. Obviously in some instances this is of ** little likelihood. If these indications are present or applying for a new ** license, the application is rejected. If we allow a "trial" period, the ** position is first explained to the examinee, and we try and ascertain if it ** at all possible that he both understands and is able of "changing his ** ways". ** In addition to the "meeting point" between Forensic ** Psychiatry and "Preventive" Traumatology we feel that we are on the ** delicate meeting point of "Personal Rights" and Societies "Right to ** defend itself". ** We are under perpetual scrutiny, which I feel is justified and ** healthy. I would very much enjoy any comments or suggestions. ** ** ** Michael. << end of forwarded material >> j. ercole <joee(a)li.net> ny, usa pgp public key at: http://www.li.net/~joee/index.html $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$********************&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Stand By---.sig presently being unearthed in regression therapy.

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"Cybercrime" Article from Reuters
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Most of what they claim to be looking for is stuff that most people won't object to their countering. Still, if anyone spots a government agency offering an "informant" email address, posting it so that we can send them lots of stuff (i.e., all the "Make Money Fast" pyramid schemes) would seem to be a good thing to do... it should occupy them so that they're doing things that are useful. Cypherpunks relevance? Well, there is the mention of anonymnity. -Allen Reuters New Media _ Thursday December 28 6:31 AM EST _ Authorities Patrolling Cyberspace for Crime WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Crime on the Internet is now more than just dirty pictures. With millions of people and a fast-growing commercial presence in cyberspace, federal law enforcement authorities are struggling to crack down on wrongdoing in the new territory. They are hunting for bogus get-rich-quick schemes, weight-loss miracles, AIDS cures, credit-repair programs, investment scams and gambling. That's in addition to crimes such as trafficking in child pornography. ``The scams are the same. The way you investigate them is different,'' said Lucy Morris, assistant director for credit practices at the Federal Trade Commission, which has staff attorneys monitoring the Internet. Just as they would on the street, these ``cybercops'' act on tips or they just patrol. The potential crime scenes are the Internet worldwide computer network, computer online services such as America Online and smaller computer bulletin boards. Cruising cyberspace as part of their work are employees with the FTC, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Department of Transportation, the Secret Service, state attorneys general and state securities regulators. They can work at the office or from home. ``In some respects it's easier to find the violations because you don't have to leave the office,'' said Minnesota Deputy Attorney General Tom Pursell. But there are obstacles. Cyberspace offers criminals wonderful anonymity and law officers face ambiguous jurisdiction issues due to the global nature of the Internet, raising questions about whether new laws are needed to cope with the new medium. ``Now all you need is a computer, a telephone, a little bit of software, and you're in business,'' said Hubert Humphrey III, the attorney general of Minnesota who himself prowls cyberspace in search of wrongdoing. Authorities agree they have their work cut out. ``It's going to be very difficult,'' predicted Humphrey, whose state has been out front in tracking down wrongdoing.

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Telecom Bill Rewrite
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It looks like some political pressure will still be possible. Definitely good news, especially since most of the methods for receiving "banned groups" listed in the FAQ are through US sites. -Allen Reuters New Media _ Friday December 29 5:51 AM EST _ Dole, Gingrich Unhappy with Telecom Bill WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Top House and Senate Republican leaders expressed unhappiness Thursday with a proposed rewrite of the nation's communications laws amid signs the Republicans may seek changes in legislation circulating on Capitol Hill. ``There are a number of problems in the bill that could have been resolved in a different way,'' Senate Majority Leader Robert Dole told a news conference. The Kansas Republican, appearing with House Speaker Newt Gingrich, said there are ``three, or four, or five provisions'' GOP leaders ought to focus on, including what he described as a ``giveway'' of a key part of the airwaves to broadcasters. The plan worked out by congressional negotiators proposes that in the future, when the government doles out licenses for high-definition digital TV, the Federal Communications Commission ``should'' limit eligibility to existing broadcasters. Critics have charged this would amount to a multibillion dollar giveaway of the airwaves to the broadcast industry and that the government could instead raise as much as $70 billion through a competitive auction of the digital spectrum. Last week it appeared the White House and congressional leaders had reached agreement on legislation to overhaul the 61-year-old communications laws, following weeks of work by House and Senate negotiators. The plan would tear down decades-old laws and permit telephone, cable and broadcast companies to invade each other's turf. But after Vice President Al Gore and some congressional leaders said they had achieved an accord, other Republicans began to balk at the proposal, saying no deal had been struck. The protests scuttled any chance the telecommunications bill would be completed this year. Among other things, Republicans expressed dissatisfaction with provisions to ease restrictions on the number of TV stations broadcasters could own, saying the plan did not go far enough. They also cited issues such as regulation of the Internet and a decision to drop language permitting greater foreign investment in telecommunications.

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Re: another anonymous poster helping to destroy our rights
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"vznuri(a)netcom.com" "Vladimir Z. Nuri" 28-DEC-1995 01:36:46.58 >= the list charter can ask for people to submit to various practices on the honor system, such as not using pseudonyms. cryptoanarchists who hate the idea of trust are of course going to object to the honor system, because "that which cannot be enforced should not be prohibited". ---------------- Does this last idea leave much doubt in anyone's mind that "Vladimir Z. Nuri" is a Detweiler tentacle? -Allen

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Massey, CEO of Compuserve, on Internet
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow! I am watching the CEO of Compuserve being interviewed on CNBC, explaining how his company is "taking the high road by complying with the laws of Germany" in removing access to 200 Usenet groups. So, what happens with Saudi Arabia announces that Christian and Jewish newsgroups violate their laws (I don't know this for sure, but I know that Jewish and Christian temples and churches are strictly verboten in Saudi Arabia). And, think of the many countries which ban homosexuality, and so on. An amazing cave. Massey seems to think that all of the other large ISPs will fall in line and remove "illegal" newsgroups (illegal in any country in which they have account holders). I wrote a longer post on the issues last night, so I won't repeat those points. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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CHU_chu Search Engines, Branded Communities
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

12-29-95. FinTimes: "Engine of the superhighway" muses on search engines and branded communities, and how their convergence will barb-wire lecher Tio Web from wild-legger Tia Juana. CHU_chu

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Housewarming/birthday party
by lstewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You're invited to celebrate Laura and Bill's New Home Bill's Birthday and anything else you'd like to celebrate! Date: Saturday, January 13 Time: 5:00pm (or whenever) Putative location: 2040 Rock Ave. #22, Mountain View, CA RSVP (acceptances): lstewart(a)prisminc.com, or Laura Stewart at work: 408-744-3359. What to bring: If you RSVP by Jan 12, don't bring anything! We'll provide something resembling dinner. If you don't RSVP, bring food or drink. You are welcome to bring your family or other guests, but please do not forward this invitation to other mail lists. Smoking is prohibited, laptop computers tolerated, board games warmly encouraged. How to get there (all directions are written as if 101 really went north and south): HOW TO FIND THE APARTMENT The address is 2040 W. Middlefield #22, but ignore that fact. It is much easier to find if you firmly believe that the address is 2040 Rock Ave. #22. From the corner of Rock & Rengstorff, follow the big lighted "2040" numbers along Rock. Just after the second driveway on Rock you will find a walkway into the complex...follow the walkway to #19, then climb the stairs to #22. HOW TO FIND THE CORNER OF ROCK & RENGSTORFF Cypherpunks: From La Castena (the burrito place), just go one block "west" on Rengstorff. From Highway 101 southbound: Take Rengstorff exit, which makes a 180-degree loop. Turn left onto Rengstorff westbound (away from the bay, toward the ocean). One block after Old Middlefield (and one block before Middlefield), turn left on Rock Ave and park on Rock. See above to find the apartment. From Highway 101 northbound: Ignore the Middlefield exit. Take Rengstorff exit, which makes a 270-degree loop and merges onto Rengstorff westbound (away from the bay, toward the ocean). One block after Old Middlefield (and one block before Middlefield), turn left on Rock Ave. and park on Rock. See above to find the apartment. From 680 at Dunbarton exit: Taking the Dunbarton bridge to 101 is a few minutes faster, but it's easy to get lost between the bridge and 101. Unless you're familiar with the area, we recommend taking 680 to 237, west on 237 to 101, and north on 101 to the Rengstorff exit, which makes a 270-degree loop and merges onto Rengstorff westbound (away from the bay, toward the ocean). One block after Old Middlefield (and one block before Middlefield), turn left on Rock Ave. and park on Rock. See above to find the apartment. Further complications..er, clarifications: Rock Ave. and Rock St. are the same thing. Middlefield Road and Old Middlefield Road are two different things. Middlefield Rock Old Middlefield 101 ^ | | | | | | | | | "North" | | | | the | | | | bay Rengstorff----------------------------------------------------- | _______ | | | | [ 2 ]| |La | | [ 0 ]| |Castena | | [ 4 ]| | | | [ 0 ]| | | | [_______]| | | | #22 | | | | | | | | | | | Lost on the day of the party? Call us at home: 415-938-1697. The price of condo living: There is no guest parking in the complex, and the party must end by 10pm. Please help us get along with our new neighbors by respecting the condo rules. Thanks!

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(no subject)
by HousePasley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Talk to me..my son has shoes...cypher this... mays out of maggots, go arial.

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