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Re: Remailer Operator Liability?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:43 AM 6/17/96 -0400, Declan B. McCullagh wrote: >I believe we used the term "email exploder" instead of "mailing list," >particularly in cross-examination and closing arguments, to convey the >idea that such a device is often used for conversation, not just one-way >communication. Was this term invented during the hearings or has anyone heard of it before? DCF

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new type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello everyone, A new type2.list/pubring.mix combination that reflects the retirement of the experimental remailer, middleman, has been posted. You can get it by web from www.jpunix.com. or by FTP from ftp.jpunix.com. John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMcR58lOTpEThrthvAQGocgP/V3UuU11iwo6Yme295YygWqXekKKxkXXH 4u94vrwkYF3qTT+9W3vrgRuUueOf/xF6FP0FZj14wc0sZ51wAnHvPxpHNxzoXuFH Z7IAOv7MsSfm8Cn2/kFqK+KAGlaKRFpHzJUZS61Oo2u7HrLvejjNd4ZOfAhZ83m7 opBUlcYqCPA= =0LW8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 16 Jun 96 at 11:19, Alan Olsen wrote: > I recieved this on another list. The snake oil is starting to flow pretty > heavy. I expect it to get worse... > >Subject: Windows 3.x or Win95 FREEWARE Mail/Encryption Program > >X-UIDL: 788ef8d7083cb4f8e94b2c20183773b5 [..] > >At the following two sites, you may download the FREEWARE Pegasus Mail > >program version 2.3.3 16 bit for windows 3.x or a version for WIN95. The > >unique thing about it, besides its simplicity and that it's a great mail > >program better than Eudora, it has a built in encryption program that is as Actually, it is much better than Eudora and has plug-ins for encryption. The native encryption sucks, and the author warns against it (it's there as a demo of the crypto API!). There *is* a PGP-plugin (w/source) that uses PGP to encrypt or decrypt mail and add keys. The last version I saw had shitty key management... if you're emailing somebody at an address different from the key-id, it didn't prompt you for another key (and Pegasus 2.2 sent it out in cleartext!). I don't like the add on much, but many others do, aware of that flaw and some others. Seems like the person who wrote that message doesn't know what he's talking about. There's a difference between snake oil and a user who doesn't understand a product. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:03 PM 6/16/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote: > >AFAIK, "The Pegasus Team" is still one person, and he's not an idiot. The >person who sent the message was some random idiot, not a member of "The >Pegasus Team." Just thought that should be straightened out lest any >unwarranted ill will be left floating around... Yes, you're absolutely right, and I owe the Pegasus author a big apology for assuming that this guy who thinks there's a 40 bit domestic version of PGP had anything to do with Pegasus. I really misspoke, and I apologize. BTW, I've heard that Pmail is progressing quite well. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon U.S. State Censorship Page at - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/state New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: richieb(a)teleport.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, alano(a)teleport.com Date: Sun Jun 16 22:36:53 1996 Now if we could get John to get it to work with the 32-bit version it would be even better. Lou Z. > John's program is available at: > http://www.aimnet.com/~jnavas/winpmail.html > > I really think the Pegasus team would do better to mention > that John's program is available, rather than try to steer > people away from PGP. PGP JN makes using the basic email > features of PGP more streamlined than most other mail > packages I've used (except Private Idaho, which is not a > full-fledged email package). I think it would be better to > mention that both options exist, rather than seeking to > convert the masses away from PGP, which is unlikely to > succeed anyway, IMHO. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMcTTBstPRTNbb5z9AQEWpAgAoNBF5M+xyRPRAQjdBR8NpMgwEsb2lROj Now8Ku1ovNvTDc+Y7ZJ8InN1pyM53SA72LIjXFX5Tjughbkkh+96nXCsdEvStBO2 im4rIA+cv2QmcdhGVScgokUkY5BRiNnCc92bH+zOxmQMx/r7Bx8779phChQebF6P 01GP94Vlwh8lVoM7T4LCfAto5tsgMQVIwbOoYqkeDU1SpSQvz030XpQqaN94oCTh le7foWIWMJuAD26zetsbWgeEfZpIL/9M4e1dfDbcSJsBBN3Wwzs2XxKYqgbsz7ob 18+4toNNblt6WcPnhvbFzSgf3v0sYUAEcqawg/7QJiCBjNGncBwjJw== =nVgx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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How to find out if the list is down? [ADMINISTRIVIA]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Subject: Is the list down? No (and the delay between your posting and my reply is just because I've been too busy to read it all.) In general, if the list isn't reaching you, it's occasionally because mail is stuck between toad.com and your machine, occasionally because the list is stuck, and occasionally because you've been dropped. If you send mail to majordomo(a)toad.com saying who cypherpunks it will send you a list of everyone on the list, possibly including you. (If it doesn't include you, then you know what's wrong.) If mail's working, it usually answers pretty fast. If mail's jammed, sometimes this kicks it off, and sometimes it stalls, just like a posting you sent to the entire 1200+ list members would (:-). And sometimes there's something more subtle going on, in which case you can send mail to cypherpunks-owner(a)toad.com and/or owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com. Of course, it could be that nobody's posted anything to the list in the last 24 hours, which probably means that Hugh's implemented the Signal-to-Noise-Improver Bot and nothing made it past the filters..... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Dispel Authority!

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Re: Does information want to be free?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>I confess I was amused by how he described those Internet anarchists >> who delighted in publicizing books that should in fact be restricted. > I am amused (though I am not taking sides) by the general lack of >attention or rhetoric that "crypto-anarchists"/"cypherpunks"/whatever, >otherwise privacy respecting people, usually espouse. Many of us do care about those privacy issues - computers are very good at combining information from multiple sources, and crypto is about the only technology that lets you change the balance of power away from computerized centralization to individual-controlled decentralization. On the other hand, the phrase "books that should in fact be restricted" is viewed by many of us to be a synonym for "the empty set"; "books about government leaders which should be restricted" is an even emptier set, whether they're true, bogus, or some of each. In general, a Cypherpunk(tm) approach to protecting private information is not to advocate laws against distributing it, but to build tools to let you protect it while giving it to people that you _do_ want to have it; perhaps to use individual contracts to protect the information, but also to build tools to support contractual agreements and identify leaks. In some cases, boycotting organizations that violate privacy is a good idea (and building alternatives can support boycotts); flaming them for rudeness is another approach :-), and helping organizations understand the privacy implications of what they're doing and helping them use privacy-preserving methods instead of hanging an SSN on everything is another good cypherpunks activity. On the other hand, building anonymous publishing systems so people can blow the whistle on their government officials is a good thing, even though it may be used by people rude enough to pry into people's private lives. Also, while publishing one politician's cancer experience may be rude, publishing a recent American president's growing senility should have been done more aggressively, as should publishing the moral failures of his Vice president.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Dispel Authority!

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Re: Remailer Operator Liability?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:53 PM 6/15/96 +1000, Zed wrote: >On another front, anonymous remailers were brought up in the latest hearing >of the Church of Scientology's court case against Dennis Erlich. Judge Whyte >expressed concern that trade secret status could be destroyed simply by >posting information through an anonymous remailer. Of course, trade secret status could also be destroyed by posting something straight without anonymity. And were one judgment proof one's exposure as the poster would be meaningless. Even a completely non-anonymous account may be hard to trace if you have a common name and the account is based somewhere far from home. If you open an account on a Dutch system using your (common) name, you might be hard to find. It's the ease of publication not the anonymity that makes the Net dangerous for trade secrets. DCF "If the most common given name on earth is Mohammed and the most common surname is Lee does that mean that the most common name is Mohammed Lee?"

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"treehole"} = "<remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 17 Jun 96 6:46:17 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- replay remailer(a)replay.com ****+*+***+* 6:14 99.98% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu #######**#+# 2:57 99.97% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org *##.-#+--#+# 50:08 99.96% vegas remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com -** **+*#*+# 6:21 99.90% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com .-+++++++-+ 3:15:05 99.90% c2 remail(a)c2.org -++-++++-++ 1:07:45 99.89% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net +++++++++++ 1:05:51 99.76% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi _______._ 60:16:03 99.64% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com ##*### ##+# 2:46 99.49% nymrod nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com +**#++*+* * 9:43 99.45% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu +-++++++++++ 45:49 99.29% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com *** *++***+* 5:07 99.23% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net *#* +--#*-*+ 23:51 99.18% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ------- --- 3:19:01 96.26% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ---.-- ---- 6:23:54 94.00% ncognito ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -....- .. 14:29:58 89.44% treehole remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net +-++++++ 3:28:59 62.60% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org ++***+- 37:51 49.39% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Spy Tech
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Three feathers for spying technology: TST: "MI6 stole secrets from French navy." Top secret technology for tracking nuclear submarines has been stolen from a French naval base by MI6, Britain's foreign intelligence service, after a French civilian engineer was paid thousands of pounds to betray one of his country's most closely guarded secrets to an MI6 front company which posed as a technical defence consultancy and publishing house. TST: "High-flying gliders replace satellites." Solar powered gliders circling above cities could provide a cheap alternative to satellites for global communication systems, according to a group of American scientists. WaJo: "Israel Asks White House to Place Curbs On 3 U.S. Satellite-Surveillance Firms." The request is regarded as "very sensitive," according to one U.S. official, because Israeli officials say it relates to their national security concerns. However, officials of the affected U.S. companies charge it amounts to unfair competition because an Israeli company is about to enter the space surveillance business and it wouldn't face similar restrictions. http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/tekspy.txt (18 kb) Spy surf: http://www.anonymizer.com Or, TEK_spy

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