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by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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e$'s (mini-rant)
by Gary Lee Jeffers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

e$'s (mini-rant) I have some thoughts on John Humphrey's post. I thought the big problem with E$ was with the clearing house. Is it the consensus that it is the e$ patents? If the problem is that the inventors are sitting on their patents, then why can't we just RIP THEM OFF$ When the patent system was started in the U.S., it was done for the population in order to stimulate the invention process and so improve the lot of the people. Invention is a SPECIAL kind of production. It is not normal mass property! Patents are only property because it is considered that they are of value to the people rather than the owners! Patents pro- cess was started to give property to patent "owners" in order to persuade the inventors to invent for the people. If an inventor "SITS ON A PATENT", then it is ABUSE OF PATENT! Fuck the patent owner! Fuck him with bells on! RIP HIM OFF! its a noble cause! If this has become a serious problem then finding techniques of riping off e$ patent owners is a moral and practical undertaking. Then it should be a topic of Cypherpunks. I am not sure that hoarding of patents is the main hinderance of useful e$. What do other Cypherpunks say? patents? workable e$ schemes! clearing- houses? P.S. Maybe doing private Internet business while hiding from the owner of the e$ patent will be a new privacy concern :-) P.P.S. Thoughts for a rip-off technique. Take a good private e$ tech., restate it in different terms, throw in a few changes, options, extras so it doesn't look so much like the original. Then offer it to the public with a variety of very low cost deals - especially for start-ups. By the time the original inventor gets you into court, you'll have a ton of money he'll have nothing and with our system of "justice" you can bury him. :-) Even if he "wins" - with your privacy skills you can take it with you and hide it - talk to Duncan Frissell. Note: You'll have the money to talk to Duncan, the original inventor won't. :-) P.P.P.S Why not just take the best features of several private e$ tech.s and make a hybrid? It wouldn't even be plaguerism! (sorry, I lost my dict- ionary). Central power is stolen freedom. THE UNITED STATES "FEDERAL" GOVERNMENT HAS NO LEGITIMACY. The United States "Federal" Government - We'll be even more American without it. PUSH EM BACK! PUSH EM BACK! WWWAAAYYYY BBBAAACCCCK! BBBEEEAAATTTT STATE! Gary Jeffers

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Re: e$'s (mini-rant)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:00 AM 3/24/96 -0600, Gary Lee Jeffers <gjeffers(a)ns.htc.net> wrote: > e$'s (mini-rant) > I have some thoughts on John Humphrey's post. I thought the big problem >with E$ was with the clearing house. Is it the consensus that it is the e$ >patents? If the problem is that the inventors are sitting on their >patents, then why can't we just RIP THEM OFF$ Yes, it's the patents. Chaum owns them, and he's not Easy To Do Business With. On the other hand, a couple of banks _have_ recently started doing business with him - Mark Twain Bank in St. Louis, and Merita Bank in Finland - check the cypherpunks archives (www.hks.net / nntp.hks.net) for details. There were a couple of earlier attempts, in which one group discovered that there are an appalling number of banking laws which make it hard to get a real bank started, and another group discovered that it's much easier to be a Credit Union than a Bank under US banking law, but it's still hard to get a business model that's likely to make non-negative amounts of money that way. The reason you can't just rip them off (unlike, say, PGP's early relationships with RSADSI/PKP) is that electronic commerce can only work well if it's legitimate - if you want real businesses to deal with you, and real banks to handle money for you, they need to be assured that they won't lose their assets in a patent lawsuit. On the other hand, Doug Barnes posted some interesting articles on "agnostic banking", a variant on Chaum's digicash where the bank can run simpler digital cash protocols that don't violate Chaum's patent, but the bank can't tell whether the customer is using Chaum's blinded signatures or not, so the customer can rip off Chaum's intellectual property without the bank having to be knowledgeable or involved (nudge, nudge, wink, wink.) On a non-financial level, Chaum didn't complain about the Magic Money / Tacky Tokens demos that some of the cypherpunks did, and Digicash came out with a play-money version that some of us used before the commercial deal was done. > [patent rant] Yeah, yeah, many of us can rant against patents as well. Been there, done that, even invented stuff and found somebody else had previously invented and patented it. The League for Programming Freedom has some high-quality detailed patent rants, and if you give RMS a grant for airfare he'd probably be happy to go picket Chaum's company for you :-) As far as Chaum hoarding the patents, he's always been willing to deal, but since he's mostly an academic rather than a businessman, he's set a very high up-front price so little guys don't bother him, only mega-banks that will come now that he built it. I'd guess the prices the banks he's now dealing with paid are rather lower than that, but it's a start for getting real business to evolve. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 pager 408-787-1281 # "At year's end, however, new government limits on Internet access threatened # to halt the growth of Internet use. [...] Government control of news media # generally continues to depend on self-censorship to regulate political and # social content, but the authorities also consistently penalize those who # exceed the permissible." - US government statement on China... "SigFiles of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist!"

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Re: (X:x)e$ 's other use
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:31 PM 3/23/96 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >Method 3 you'll recognize. There'd be nothing wrong with the Federal >Reserve if they only used methods 1 and 2; individual consumers can >decide whether to trust them not to print a lot more zeros than they should. >And they don't have a monopoly on currency - there are some kinds of >taxes that apply to some private currencies, but you can go into the >average bank today, ask them to write a cashier's check to someone >(and probably still to "bearer"), pay them, and they'll be happy to do it >for only a small commission, and American Express will do it as well. >And people will take their paper, though in the case of traveller's checks >it's sometimes a hassle to accept on an occasional basis. My experience in China in 1993 was that US Federal Reserve Notes were easy to use and American Express Traveler's checks were not. After hearing that the dollar isn't worth anything, it was refreshing to go to a country where they are in high demand. I recommend carrying good old fashioned USA dollars when going to communist countries. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: New Beta Test of PGPfone available WINDOWS '95 Included!
by jis＠mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: alt.security.pgp, sci.crypt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have received reports that some people are getting only partial files when downloading PGP and PGPfone with our new distribution server. This problem is caused by higher then normal packet loss on the Internet. Some browsers (notably the AOL browser) give up when they fail to receive any more data for a period of time (caused by high losses or other conditions that block our server). For now people should continue to attempt to download PGPfone and PGP until they get a good copy. Trying late at or on weekends when the net load is lower may help. I am working on a "fix" where our server will let the browser know up front (there is a way to do that with http) how large an item to expect. This hopefully will improve the situation, if not complete fix it. However this change will not be installed until at least Tuesday. So if you can wait, you might want to wait until Tuesday if you are having difficulties getting a complete distribution from MIT. Note: I will send out another message when this fix is in place. -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVVrMMUtR20Nv5BtAQEQ3gP/XjwEPbqSJXJesRYo+N4aAcMfl3O2PGoP LP/uGOOLCyx05EXkJidGly4IjY/qK325J8xDADCpJdoJgcM3CH+7EPghxAEmCIRd MttmADDv6U3QHnvPn7/L2mDtItueOCLsdeWtj7bQnRECoS/XsdQAUgZFbLlWsNhd uFm3bVG82LI= =m3v8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Crypto CD
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Could be useful to individuals, as well as for groups wishing to create > FTP sites etc. Excellent Idea. At least I haven't seen one around. > Pricing with shipping would wind up around US$20.00, give or take 5 dollars.. > I'd like to know first off whether such a thing already exists. Secondly > whether anyone would be interested in possesing such a thing. And lastly > any suggestions for/about content that I may have missed.. How about PGP key archives? Vipul .od8888bo. \|/ .d%::::88::888b. (@ @) .d888::::::::8:888%. ------------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------------- 88888:::::::88888::%. You walk across with your flowers in your hand d888888:::88;888888::b Trying to tell me no one understands 888888888:888888888888 Trade in your hours for a hand full of dimes Y8888888::::::888888%P Gonna make it baby in our prime. '8888888:::::::8888:%' ---------------------------------------------- '88888888:::888888%' Vipul Ved Prakash Fax : +91-11-3328849 '8888888::88888%' Positive Ideas. Internet : vipul(a)pobox.com '"Y88%B8P"' ---------------------------------------------- PGP Key : Finger <vipul(a)pobox.com> PGP Key fingerprint = 35 FF A2 CA BD 6B 80 82 61 30 F2 23 96 93 77 E4 ~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=~-=

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Re: protection on IoMega ZIP drives
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:47 AM 3/24/96 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >At 2:45 3/23/96, Alan Olsen wrote: > >>The big problem is with the zip drivers. There is some sort of >>incompatibility between SFS and the zip drivers. [snip] >I can state that with a Zip Disk formatted for Macintosh use (and the drive >plugged into a Macintosh), the drive and disk are seen by the Macintosh as >a NORMAL SCSI HD and eligible for use as a Boot Drive (ie: There is a Mac >Driver on the Disk in a SCSI Driver Partition). I've Booted from a ZIP Disk >so this is actual not just theoretical <g>. I'd assume that if a Wintel >Machine had the Microcode to be able to boot off an external SCSI Drive >(something I do not know is normal for Wintel machines as it is normal for >Macintosh ones) the same situation would exist for Wintel Zip Formatted >Disks. All NORMAL SCSI HDs (or Cartridges) have their driver in a Driver >Partition so the HD/Cartridge can be read. The SCSI Zip drives do act as normal SCSI drives (though they have a limited number of SCSI ids available. (5 & 6 if I remember correctly.) Later drives may have this changed.) The problems i am encountering are due to the _parellel_ version of the Zip drive. (I bought it because I needed to be able to visit customer sites and not all of them have SCSI.) The drivers fake a scsi port. (Some laptops use a similar driver to attach hard drives to non-scsi systems.) Maybe I will just get a Jaz drive and not worry about it... --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon

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Re: protection on IoMega ZIP drives
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:55 PM 3/24/96 -0800, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >The SCSI Zip drives do act as normal SCSI drives (though they have a limited >number of SCSI ids available. (5 & 6 if I remember correctly.) Later drives >may have this changed.) >The problems i am encountering are due to the _parellel_ version of the Zip >drive. (I bought it because I needed to be able to visit customer sites and >not all of them have SCSI.) The drivers fake a scsi port. (Some laptops >use a similar driver to attach hard drives to non-scsi systems.) Hmmm - I've got the Syquest parallel-port drive. Syquest offers SCSI and IDE flavors of their drive - and the parallel port version emulates IDE (don't know if it's EIDE or vanilla IDE...) #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 pager 408-787-1281 # "At year's end, however, new government limits on Internet access threatened # to halt the growth of Internet use. [...] Government control of news media # generally continues to depend on self-censorship to regulate political and # social content, but the authorities also consistently penalize those who # exceed the permissible." - US government statement on China... "SigFiles of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist!"

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Re: protection on IoMega ZIP drives
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Death rays from Mars made alano(a)teleport.com (Alan Olsen) write: >At 05:08 AM 3/23/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: >>On 23 Mar 96 at 3:00, Ed Carp wrote: >> >>> Has anyone tried SFS? It should work on the zip drive, though I've not >>> tried it (yet)... >> >>If I recall some recent threads on alt.security.pgp (or sci.crypt?), >>SFS doesn't work on ZIP drives (since ZIPs use the parallel port...). >> >>[Or do ZIPs use Scuzzies and the people who had problems were just >>too lame to figure out that they had to load the driver before SFS?] > >There are two versions of the Zip drive. One is SCSI and one is Parallel >faking scsi. > >The big problem is with the zip drivers. There is some sort of >incompatibility between SFS and the zip drivers. (I hacked on it for a >couple of hours with no luck.) The Zip drives have a firmware bug in that they don't do anything if the (appropriately-named) FUA bit is set in SCSI requests, and then return a command complete status. SFS 1.20 has a workaround for this problem. It works with both SCSI and parallel-port versions. Before anyone asks when it's due out, its the end of February, probably about the 60th of the month. Peter.

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WSJ on Big Java Flaw
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wall Street Journal, March 26, 1996, p. B4. Researchers Find Big Security Flaw In Java Language By Don Clark A team of Princeton University researchers said they discovered the most serious security flaw yet in the widely used Java programming language from Sun Microsystems Inc. The flaw could make it possible for unscrupulous hackers to destroy files or cause other types of damage on any personal computer that uses Netscape Communications Corp.'s Navigator program, said Edward Felten, a Princeton assistant professor of computer science who helped discover the flaw. Netscape Navigator, which uses Java, is the most popular software for browsing the Internet's World Wide Web. Java enables the creation of tiny programs, called applets, that are transferred from a Web site on the Internet to a PC running Netscape Navigator. Mr. Felten said that unscrupulous people who discovered the flaw could boobytrap a Web page on the Internet, essentially seizing control of the browser software of any PC that tapped into that page. At that point, the hackers could read or delete an entire hard disk of data files. "The consequences of this flaw are as bad as they can be," he said. Sun, a computer maker based in Mountain View, Calif., acknowledged the problem. "This one is a serious bug," said Marianne Mueller, a senior Sun engineer specializing in security issues. The company, alerted by Princeton on Friday, is already testing a software fix it has developed for the program and hopes to distribute it to Netscape and other users in about two days. Those companies are then expected to distribute updated versions of their Web browsers or other products to users. "We plan to fix it and get it out to our customers as fast as we can," said Jeff Treuhaft, a Netscape product manager. Java was originally touted by Sun as a secure language. But at least two other flaws have already been discovered in the technology, including a less-serious problem uncovered by the Princeton team last month. Sun's Ms. Mueller said the problems have been correctable details in the way the Java code is written, not problems with its basic design. [End]

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