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nootropic drugs, etc...
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: hks.net!news-mail-gateway!owner-cypherpunks From: asgaard(a)sos.sll.se (Asgaard) The reason FDA has not approved this drug is most probably because it does not make mildly retarded boys less retarded. But of course, ... Well, it wasn't until the past year that the FDA approved depakote for things like bipolar disorder. It can be prescribed for seizures. Psychiatrists have been prescribing it to their manic-depressive patients for the past ten years to help with their "seizures" when the patients have been unable to tolerate the lithium to treat their "seizures." (Depakote is usually used as an anticonvulsant.) I suspect the FDA hasn't ever approved _anything_ as a nootropic. And I guess the nootropic in question isn't useful for something else. Depakote has been known safe and successful for about ten years for the treatment of bipolar disorder. It's been approved for that for the last year. If the FDA had been more zealous, they would have probably forced many people into nine years or so of the progression of bipolar disorder _or_ lithium toxicity. on snake oil. It becomes more difficult to uphold a pure market philosophy when it comes to poisonous snake oil or, as is often the case with potent drugs, effective oil but which will kill you from side effects after a delay. FDA has a very good reputation of not 'recommending' drugs with (delayed) adverse effects outweighing the beneficial ones. Why not let the patients research the drugs themselves? They'll find out more than their doctors will ever tell them. [...] Until this happens, trust FDA. Have you ever stopped and wondered just how many drugs out there cause birth defects, and asked yourself why thalidomide is illegal and other drugs are legal? Asgaard Phil

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Re: The return of the IPG Unbreakable System
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>| I have entered into no agreements to inspect, test or validate the IPG >| software suite. In the absence of a valid contract for my services, I >| shall not inspect, test or offer opinions regarding the security of this >| product. IPG Sales is specificly enjoined from using my nym in any >| reference to validation of their product. Further, IPG is cautioned >| against using "cypherpunks" as a validation reference, as my >| subscription to this mailing list could then be construed as >| contributing to the claim of validation. This action is intended to >| guard against claims of the form "roy(a)sendai.cybrspc.mn.org has been >| unable to break our system", among others. >| >| Note to IPG: I review all contract offers. Feel free to contact me for >| terms, but be advised that I'm somewhat expensive. >| >| Note to c'punks: apologies for burning listwidth, but this looks like >| the proper Publication of Record for this notice. > > I'd like to add my name to Roy's letter. I also received an >unsoliceted (1700 line) copy of an algorithim. I do intend to review >it. I strongly caution IPG against using my name in their >advertising. > >Adam > > For my part, I invited them to submit their information to me; however, I have to jump on the wagon here and also state publicly that this implies no obligation on my part, nor my permission to use any information about me in their advertising or other material. Thank you. geeman(a)best.com >

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Re: The return of the IPG Unbreakable System
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- No copy of this program has arrived in my mailbox, which is a good thing. I am no cryptography expert. Even _I_, however, see massive problems in letting _others_ generate my crypto-keys for me. If this egomaniac gets the respected experts on this list to review his software at no cost, & if the experts actually say, "he's right, it's unbreakable," the system will still have this weakness. This is even worse than the "Power One Time Pad" snakeoil. Am I missing something? JMR Regards, Jim Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> "The era of big government is over." -- Bill Clinton "Prepare for the era of _HUGE_ government." -- Jim Ray _______________________________________________________________________ PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Public Key id. # E9BD6D35 -- http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray _______________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMU8JKW1lp8bpvW01AQFK2gQAlxTZlfC9Dwx6nbbliSMxYqMp9Uvf9y0r ntFZfobQQ4OZsX0cNGDYIvwWMDztV+07d/seEqqEnGVvk8yFqcKPuFIo/WyFqxEc TqDzCp/i1XtndHDrfJb4hZDgizJKHXXrHO2dfuTecxS9uTgFvT3bUuTOfJme2hOx DNZz/Sm5rfs= =SaSo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Judge blocks French ISPs from connecting to revisionist sites
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:30 PM 3/17/96 -0800, Rich Graves wrote: > In other news, Holocaust Revisionist mgiwer(a)combase.com (Matt Giwer) has > been *openly bragging* about getting a political opponent kicked off of a > conservative Texas ISP. The main difference between the French and Texas > cases being that the information on Rack Jite's web pages was true, and > the information on the Holocaust Revisionist sites is not. I guess that's > not important, though, since by definition, Political Correctness only > targets the right. Jack Rite was kicked off for gross and repeated violations of netiquette, not for his political views. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Judge blocks French ISPs from connecting to revisionist sites
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:07 PM 3/18/96 +0100, Anonymous wrote: > >So that y'all can see what the fuss is about, try the following sites : A far better site that is not being censored is: http://members.aol.com/ironfrog/ubootwaffe/brown.html > Institute for Holocaust Revisionism > <a href="http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg"> This site is not blocked. Greg Raven is a serious Neo-Nazi wacko who took over the IHR by force. The police were called in to break up the fight, and the Nazis spent some time suing each other for control. See the Willis Carto/IHR FAQ for alt.revisionism. > Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust > <a href="http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/"> This site is not blocked. The "censorship" page is full of events that never happened. Brian acknowledges that the errors I pointed out are errors, but complains that he "doesn't have time" to go back and correct them. He has had time, though, to add more events that never happened. See the URL below [sic]. See also http://www.stormfront.org/, which has widely been reported to have been "censored." It's not. That front page is just Don Black's idea of a joke. See http://www.stormfront.org/stormfront/, http://www2.stormfront.org/default.htm, and http://www3.stormfront.org/. The Nazis are quite well-connected. IHR uses AOL because they *want* to be censored so that they can play victim, and get more support from the otherwise reasonable people here. Even Steve Case knows this, which is why, uncharacteristically, he isn't booting them off. -rich http://www.c2.org/~rich/Press/Swedish/

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Request for reference info + Possible job offer
by Edgar Swank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I would like people to send me (pointers to) reference information on how to write WinSock-compliant client software. Also tools required, hopefully free/shareware ones. The particular application of interest is a "web-crawler" which can log certain information in web pages it finds. If such reference information is not available or forthcoming, but there are people reading this who nevertheless know how to write such software, they are invited to contact me about contracting to write such an application for a negotiable payment. Please respond by Email, as I only subscribe to a digest of the Cypherpunks list. Edgar W. Swank <edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMU4jnN4nNf3ah8DHAQEdwgP/RaYtSbT9RCA2MtR3++r6U7Sj9HAYKFZp GKunKKgDaE+/7mb08ixOq4/rtZ0THqwb9GyrYhoebKPKX3HeHIv4y4JbrG06zIMg YZQg7ex2YSZXBu2xcjuXDaVsLIdhpfBaJsuJ8RKODIFtElvXJkMpIaJFVAXg9P7K r8/2os1uMfs= =PgH7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Edgar Swank) The Land of Garg BBS -- +1 408 378-5108

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ANNOUNCE: Donut: Web Basic Interpreter. (fwd)
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just received this as the moderator for comp.os.ms-windows.announce. Would that be "Donut" as in "big hole"? -rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:56:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Burford <mj_burford(a)pnl.gov> To: comp-os-ms-windows-announce(a)cs.washington.edu Newgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.announce Subject: ANNOUNCE: Donut: Web Basic Interpreter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richland, WA. March 20, 1996. Battelle Memorial Institute today released Donut (1.00 Alpha 1), a Visual Basic form Interpreter for the Web. Donut is a program that allows a Visual Basic form file to be transmitted over the internet and viewed on a user's computer as a form. This form will then interact with the user and their web browser to send or request information just like a normal Visual Basic program. Donut does not require any Visual Basic files or DLLs in order to work. This will allow creation of web forms that give the author more control over exactly what the form will look like, allows interaction between the Donut applet and the user's browser, and allows processing of form information on the user's computer instead of on the server. And it allows you to use existing expertise with the very popular and common Visual Basic programming language to do so. Currently Donut is available for the Microsoft Windows operating system (Windows 3.x, Windows 95 or NT). It works with any Windows web browser that supports the standard interprocess (DDE) communication for web browsers. It has been tested and works with Netscape Navigator, Microsoft Internet Explorer, and several variations of Mosaic. Donut should be able to run most simple Visual Basic programs with few if any modifications. (Unlike VBScript where you must now cut and paste the source code into a HTML page.) Donut is available without charge to end users. For more information or to obtain Donut and development information: http://apc.pnl.gov:2080/donut/ Microsoft, Windows and Visual Basic are trademarks of Microsoft Corporation. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: The return of the IPG Unbreakable System (fwd)
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:24 AM 03/20/96, IPG Sales wrote: >Perhaps a battle has been lost, maybe even probably? But the war is not >over, not by a long shot - with minor modifications this system is >absolutely secure as events will prove. However, be assured that we >will not sell our product to anyone until that can be definitively >established. We greatly appreciate the contribution of some of those on You used to claim "our system is absolutely safe, we're sure of it, but we can't tell you the algorithm cause it's secret." People said that was stupid, so you finally agreed to show people the algorithm (apparently sending it to them unsolicited, and then expecting them to be bound to some sort of non-disclosure agreement? You might want to hire a lawyer to familiarize you with how trade secrets work legally, cause they don't work like you think they work). The people you showed the algorithm to pointed out flaws in it. Now you say "Yeah, okay so there were flaws, but we'll fix them and then it will be perfect, except you can't see the code or algorithm cause it's secret." Sounds like we're back where we started, eh? No one was willing to trust the algorithm before without it being reviewed publically. No one will be willing to trust it now either, _especially_ after the previous concerns that the algorithm wasn't secure were _confirmed_. The cypherpunks list doesn't have to provide free cryptanalysis to you. I doubt anyone will want to waste their time looking at future iterations of your algorithm, if you deign to show it to them. The fact that people on the cypherpunks list don't want to waste their time doing free cryptanalysis for you doesn't mean that your code is secure, or endorsed by anyone. It means that even those who may have thought it possible that your algorithm was secure after all have given up on that thought, or at least decided that it's unlikely enough not to be worth much further consideration, at least until you start behaving reasonably.

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Spare CFP '96 student reservation
by SINCLAIR DOUGLAS N 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A friend of mine registered as a student for the CFP '96 conference next week, but is unable to go. Registration is transferable, so he can send another student in his place. If anyone is interested, please mail him (not me) at tew2(a)cornell.edu.

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Re: The return of the IPG Unbreakable System (fwd)
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 07:24 PM 03/19/96 -0600, you wrote: ... <sniveling excuses deleted> ... >Accordingly, this will be the last letter posted to the entire >cypherpunks list for the time being. If any reader posts something to the >entire Cypherpunks list, do not expect any response to from IPG, there >will be none. Thank you, thank you, thank you! (see? there *is* a God!) Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMU7xkcVrTvyYOzAZAQGCSAQAj3wI2g4R6W8/iEhRaYn1y3SwfhS5g2UT 0BpdsUqNbJXA3Qbj4OlrT2SSWp7Glm4uymlJVM1AjXo36Jjo3XTZilMeTaVed5DW idH8gfV/Wp6DJIPv3RqwtYysBur1pXgqmsEIEovIHhY7uP5yhW7JJL2NrZ/Dht4T 3DvZ/On3cdk= =+acg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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