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Re: EFF & PGP
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- You're a little slow, Sparky. I had the <ask(a)eff.org> sig! on my public key a couple of days before it hit the net. One may ftp it, or simply email pgpkey(a)eff.org- It's for sensitive messages and comes with a request that it not be used trivially. It's been out for a few weeks now. I used it 5 April to encrypt my Fed Reserve report to the office. With Dan Brown for a SysOp and average loads tantilizingly low on eff.org, why do they need the hassle of signing their messages? Site security is a site responsibility. The Hoax came out of an anonymous remailer, not an eff.org forgery. The Hoax enjoyed a brief resurgence on the net a week ago and was pandemically debunked as soon as it showed up. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbY80V/ScHuGXWgVAQE8DgP/arMGt9VXmowCaQTTLRIwbGiJxwxItJnB ebvvlf0BRYasBQ8KT3iwFngfLFELTW5lHujTJsB2LUlDz87eNX1Gsb7DVJ8V0owi Px76mCIvM5gEJoPMTNTb2XttZ01K7Hiq9JIJNPmuCUokBpywae+xPklAK91DVNmk OSfIt/QdiOA= =5Rwu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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Re: BEST Inc. Anonymous
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > > Actually, there's a very elegant solution. Get an eel-skin > > wallet which erases magnetic information. > > > Eel-skin wallets are made of two types of eels. Originally, they > were made of a particular species, which was very expensive. > Then someone decided to make cheap eel-skin billfolds. They used > a different species. One which erases the magnetic strips. (at > least it does on credit cards). I found this out much to my > > Has this happened to anyone else? Yes - check the back issues of comp.risks. It isn't the eel skin but the magnetic catch on the wallet that trashes your cards. > Ian Turton - School of Geography, Leeds University 0532 -333309

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BlackNet here now?
by Gary Jeffers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually we have had a BlackNet on the Internet for years. I admit its not much of a BlackNet - maybe just a proto BlackNet that will never grow to do justice to the BlackNet concept. The proto BlackNet is #warez on Internet chat. For years commercial/retail software has been ex- changed on #warez. This is a pretty narrow area of exchange. Also, it could be argued that #hack on internet chat has been a proto BlackNet entity for years. #hack exchanges system breakin information. Years ago I tried to encourage both these channels to use encryption to exchange sensitive files. I used to post their TOPIC with the message "WE NEED PUBLIC KEY ENCRYPTION NOW." before I found out about PGP. Once I found out about PGP, I tried to encourage them to adopt it. Strangely enough, neither of these channels were at all enthusiastic about encryption. #warez makes itself an "invite only" channel apparentl for security. If someone could introduce a method to these channels to exchange money for information, then it is a possibility that they could mature to real BlackNets. They would also have to use anonymous remailers. They already exchange illicit goods. Maybe a Cypherpunk acting in a sort "Peace Corps" way could lend them some assistance. It could give you a sort or satisfied feeling in latter years to know that you had played a part in creating some BlackNet monsters. If real BlackNet tech became a part of these two channels, the possibility exists that they could expand their ranges to become true, full BlackNet entities. I believe that barring a successful Federal technological capture of the Internet, BlackNets are inevitable. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers PUSH EM BACK! PUSH EM BACK! WWWAAAYYY BBBAAACCCKKK! BBBEEEAAATTTT STATE!

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telco
by anonymous＠extropia.wimsey.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I received annoying phone calls for a period of time, and the local phone > company (US West) said they'd only get involved once I had an "incident > number" (or some such) from the police department, and that information > gathered would only be released to the police. I suppose if I actually > filed a civil suit against the harassing party (even as a John Doe?) I > could then use the discovery process to compel them to release their > relevant records - but that's not really the scenario that Brad and > 'kitten' seem to imagine. In the days when telcos used the SXS switching system, there was significant cost in tracing a call - each channel had to be physically seized and held - but now it's just a matter of pulling a tape or punching up the info on a console. Nevertheless, there are legal obligations of confidentiality. Interestingly, the police generally have no problem seizing toll information on a subscriber, once the warrant is obtained, because the subscriber needn't be informed - only the telco, which has a vested interest in keeping the subscriber unaware that his considentiality was violated. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCdAgUBLbVtMRL41rmHzZFFAQGAYwQ7BD+WytKPhNAXXhWRAFeYlSz+TJzGP58T YB56S+ktajebyJEc4GH0n8beevGSjv9Q6JGWkxifLITKy05eL9RXs8bC5ScTjJQL JhDB1DTPAVp5Y5NNGIX1bpMPLdBe2KiRnOzlL/jcUkUFu4dUQ1fPXQ9NC3JFrqC0 ZLeuEcJRKM2hIlYZ0KraUg== =VaUh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Graynet
by anonymous＠extropia.wimsey.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Do _not_ mess with those BlackNet folks. You'll wind up face-down Sounds like something the Nigerians would try. Nevertheless, I think there would be some value to a GrayNet. There's a difference between intelligence gathering and analysis on the one hand, and espionage on the other. Several businesses in the "competitive intelligence" arena operate quite openly. And of course, the major players like to work through proxies. A GrayNet would have the advantage of establishing the true value of closely-held information. Programming is turning into an "electronic sweat-shop" these days -- here's a chance to turn the situation around. Employers will not be able to afford to treat programmers as expendable, if by releasing them, they empower their competitors. The immediate problem is to find a data haven where the information will be secure from seizure. Info workers of the world unite! Your craniums are your capital! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCcAgUBLbUDoBL41rmHzZFFAQFvygQ43pXqAMWiGjzsutE8NDKnYXTiN+Z+o8KQ alsXwpRJBKy7KdnwJhE22CJIJqR91a8dXI1CvHdAFRPkbSWkqZJDTuAsanhqd8X6 OsyHwEP3kdWIeBgZht4GTy5kD8rkUIHCewxN7ocsRKg5wAn2MDk5yHqZN69+YNKh 7uCODChhUBxfHgGo5jk2 =uC+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCVAi0lVxMAAAEEPAv9PwNYtn9nH/L72vqMC9b7qY9AMRY28u0PsCg/fqMpfXpG r5R3ceMOw9uQ4FBhk/BIeYXuSsv2Fn08Ft5zelEa+WJUyYy+68D04uqbmn8CBoHO d9Wkh3Am utev31NV/18jRSG6kgxXGF3VVmES2aMj+BfMfW3XLWdkfeE5W6rEvjW uYfNkUUAB0O0CWFyZ29uIDxAPg== =fJR3 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Force is not physical
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone send me a copy of Eric Hughes Wednesday essay "Force is not physical"? I somehow lost the machine version.

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You Will...
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from rec.humor.funny. I found it oddly appropriate. --- [ This joke is the original work of Fred Wheeler and Jeff Sorenson (a hysterical conspiracy theorist). It is a parody of recent AT&T commercials that ask "Have you ever read a book from around the world?" and respond "You will, and the company that will bring it to you is AT&T." ] Have you ever received an automated sales pitch, while you were still in your pajamas? Have you ever had thousands of calls all over the world charged to your stolen account number? Have you ever had your paycheck deleted by faceless intruders from across the globe? Have you ever had an employer know more about your whereabouts and activities than your spouse? Have you ever been snuffed to dust by a satellite laser while lying on the beach? ______ | | | | | You | | | | Will | | | |______| And the company that will bring this to you is AT&T ----- Fred Wheeler wheeler(a)ipl.rpi.edu Jeff Sorensen sorenjs(a)pb.com -- Selected by Maddi Hausmann Sojourner. MAIL your joke to funny(a)clarinet.com. Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. Jokes ABOUT major current events should be sent to topical(a)clarinet.com (ie. jokes which won't be funny if not given immediate attention.) Anything that is not a joke submission goes to funny-request(a)clarinet.com -- ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) k

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Re: Safeway + Your Privacy
by rarachel＠prism.poly.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your last statement about garbage in/out reminds me of a paragraph in the HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy about this one planet where you must shit as much matter as you eat, or it will be surgically removed from your body. :-) This stupid recycling nonsense is pretty out of hand here in NYC too... If they find anything that's not supposed to be in your trash can (ie: a soda bottle in a can of newspapers) you get fined. This means that if some kid walks by your house and decides to throw his soda bottle in your trash can instead of smashing it on the ground as is the (offical method of recycling here in NYC as car tires need lots of glass :-) you will get fined. Idiotic, but true. Also, keep in mind that recycling makes the jobs of FBI agents much easier... What spook wants to read your paper waste if its covered by diapers, coffe grounds, parakeet droppings, etc... <grin> NYC is well known for its shitty subways and lots of "We're really nice" subway ads that are "environmental" in nature. My cynical nature says that the only reason they want us to take the trains instead of the cars is that a) they don't want to pay to repair the pot-holes, b) they want to get more money in the subway system, and to add all the damn emissions and DMV tickets, nonsense help this... Ugh...

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Info Theory Conference
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(fwd from cellular digest) Dear Colleagues. I want to draw your attention to the conference: ISIT 94 - IEEE International Symposium on Information Theory to be held 27th June- 1st July 1994 at ======================== The Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway. --------------------------------------------------------- There will be 7 parallell sessions on the following topics: Distributed information processing Stochastic processes Applications of information theory Error-control coding Multi-user information theory Pattern recognition Cryptography and security Data compression Detection and estimation Signal processing Optical communications Neural networks Communication systems Shannon theory Image and speech coding Data networks Source coding There are around 500 presentations, many of which should be of interest for people working in the cellular business. Afterall, cellular technology is a very hot field. A social programme, accompanying persons programme and post conference tours are offered. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Advance program, including registration form, is available from: ISIT 94 SEVU Congress Dept Phone: 47-73-595245 The Norwegian Institute of Technology Fax: 47-73-595150 N-7034 Trondheim, Norway E-mail: isit(a)sevu.unit.no --------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail copy of the advance technical program only, is available from: knut.grythe(a)delab.sintef.no torleiv.maseng(a)tde.lth.se ===================== Signature: Knut Grythe, SINTEF Delab N-7034 Trondheim, NORWAY. Teleph.:+47-73-592683 Fax:+47-73-591099 =====================

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The Spotlight
by dmandl＠lehman.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Interworld Police Coordinating Committee <moshe(a)iexist.att.com> > > gehm(a)merle.acns.nwu.edu, ignatz(a)homebru.chi.il.us, wicker(a)angus.mystery.com, > m.yudkowsky(a)att.com, ben(a)tai.chi.il.us > Subject: Re: FWD>Science frauds > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly, THE SPOTLIGHT > is an anti-Semitic rag; that makes every other word they publish suspect. Yep, that's right. But not just anti-semitic. It's an extreme right-wing (read: fascist or crypto-fascist) paper affiliated with Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby, an especially slimy racist organization (I mean really racist, as in close pals with David Duke, publisher of pamphlets on the "inferiority of the Negro race," promoters of so-called "holocaust revisionism," etc.). They've been making inroads into the hip marginal milieu recently because of their sensational conspiracy theory reporting, but it's important to keep in mind who they are and what their real agenda is. I'm not telling anyone here whether the Spotlight should or shouldn't be used to spread the anti-Clipper word, or whether you should or shouldn't read it, merely pointing out who they are. Like most organizations of this type, they're less than honest about it. --Dave.

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