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Master Key: A Clipper Story
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For god's sake, how many copies of this trash are we going to get? If you're going to use anonymous remailers to mailbomb our list, at least learn to use them properly and just send us one copy! That makes three so far - two of them via the same remailer even! G PS To the person who was bragging about using a spelling checker to hide his anonymity, erm... have a closer look at your post, buddy! I don't think it would take more than 10 minutes with an index of all usenet postings over the last month or two to find you :) -- Personal mail to gtoal(a)gtoal.com (I read it in the evenings) Business mail to gtoal(a)an-teallach.com (Be careful with the spelling!) Faxes to An Teallach Limited: +44 31 662 4678 Voice: +44 31 668 1550 x212

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Re: Alt.Gvmt.Bad.Bad.Bad
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by Michael Conlen: Theft could be from thoes who do not protect there property and from thoes who do not respect others property, so can it also be said that 'bad government' can be from people not protecting there rights and people who have no respect for the rights of others? ............................................................... What should really be said is that theft does not happen of its own accord; someone must decide to accomplish the so-called criminal act. To describe theft as the result of another's inaction is to imply that human action of any kind is mostly automatic, that there is a pull like gravity which will cause action upon intelligence the way gravity affects inanimate objects, and that nothing better could be or should be expected from it. It is also to imply that the possession of intelligence is negligible because any opportunity for taking advantage of another's vulnerability will be irresistible to humans, as if they were basically scavengers looking for the spoils of other people's negligence. In which case, rather than speaking of bad government, the subject should be a question on the existence of intelligence & the possibility for morality. I don't know who would be qualified to discuss it, though, without the possession of the one and an appreciation of the other. Blanc

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Revisionist History of the US....:( (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by chen(a)intuit.com (Mark Chen) on Thu, 1 Sep 4:47 PM >This country's >"progress" is really just a series of grudging >concessions made by authoritarian power structures to >various nearly catastrophic crises. > >Good observation about periodicity, Jim, but I'd say >that the typical span is much shorter than 100 years. Jim and Mark, Sound remarks about domestic upheavals. Parallel to these, it should be added that internal strife has declined as US foreign interventions have increased. From Teddy Roosevelt forward, whenever domestic strain builds, there just happens to be an urgent matter somewhere else that needs patriotic attention to our "national interests". Soothing, addictive, social and economic bribes flow from warmaking -- industrial growth, jobs, education, research, technological advances. A bitching citizenry is a happy citizenry where domestic Government affairs are concerned, but the most obedient people are those united against a foreign foe. Lesson 1 of world affairs leadership. John

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Revisionist History of the US....:( (fwd)
by chen＠intuit.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim choate <ravage(a)bga.com> writes: > I am not going to name names but I would like to address the comment that > several folks have made (or agreed with) that the US has gone 200 years > w/o a major upheaval. > > Maybe I am taking a alternate History than you folks but I believe the > Civil War can be considered a major internal upheaval and it occured > 4 score and 7 years (87 years) after the birth of our country. Since then > we have also had the civil rights upheaval (if you don't want to consider > deaths of folks like MLK major that is your business) in the late 50's and > early 60's as well. Especially when you consider the political and social > turmoil that occured because of the Vietnam War. We might also add Shay's Rebellion, Bacon's Rebellion, the Hudson River Renters' Uprising, the Pullman Strike, the Homestead Strike, the Ludlow Massacre, the Lawrence Textile Strikes, etc., etc. Many of these were full-scale insurrections. This country's "progress" is really just a series of grudging concessions made by authoritarian power structures to various nearly catastrophic crises. > What I find most interesting about this chronology is that the > upheavals occur approximately every hundred years since our > founding. The fact that the present problems we are having w/ the > administration recognizing and the general populace demaning their > civil liberties/rights is apparently early by approximately 70 > years. Perhaps the present administration is really as progressive > as they claim...:) Take care. Good observation about periodicity, Jim, but I'd say that the typical span is much shorter than 100 years. - Mark - -- Mark Chen chen(a)netcom.com 415/329-6913 finger for PGP public key D4 99 54 2A 98 B1 48 0C CF 95 A5 B0 6E E0 1E 1D

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17 Dec '03

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Needed for a computer ethics class
by Patrick Juola 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have a concise, citeable statement about why anonymous remailers are a good thing? Some sort of position statment by Julf would be ideal. Similarly, if anyone has something for the *other* side of the coin, I'd love to see that. I'm in the process of writing a course on computer ethics for the University of Colorado at Boulder and I think anonymous remailers would be a good subject for an essay assignment, but I need enough material (ideally, primary source material) to lay the groundwork first. Patrick

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POISON PILL
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy, There are a number of ways in which you can set up *your* machine to self-destruct. The best way to accomplish this is through Perry's suggestion of a regular security check to which you must reply or the PILL is activated. If all you are concerned about is private mail or the like, a simple batch wipe file would work (hide the wipe program). Putting any prompt at boot and turning off obvious ways of defeating *your* security will help. Not to start everyone flaming, but there is nothing wrong with destroying your own computer thru infamous combinations of interrupt hooks and the like (was that cryptic enough to avoid a virii flame?) --Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ "This new technology (the printing press) threatened the Crown, which shuddered at the thought of widespread dissemination of works advocating religious heresy and political upheaval. The Crown's solution to the problem was a system of regulation designed to control this "dangerous" art." -From my Copyright Law Text (refrencing the Statute of Anne - the first Copyright Statute) (c)1993 ______________________/___________________________________mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu

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Re: Orange book, the NSA, and the NCSC
by cme＠ellisun.sw.stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Message-Id: <m0ohwxY-00022PC@khijol> >From: khijol!erc(a)uunet.UU.NET (Ed Carp) >Subject: Re: Orange book, the NSA, and the NCSC >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 01:32:27 -0800 (PDT) >Even if a Cray can crack a PGP-encrypted message in, say, an hour, flooding >the system with messages would tend to obscure real traffic with obscure >junk. Hey, I can encrypt /vmunix with a random key as fast as the next >person. :) I still have my copy of (what I call) pgp-ran. I forgot what it was called when it was posted and I can't find the sources now. It puts rannos in PGP format. Does a copy of the sources exist on one of the servers? It's too fast to be doing any encryption but it would be good to have one which produces messages PGP recognizes as real, only for a public key which isn't on file. If PGP rejects a message, it wouldn't take up any Cray cracking time. - Carl Sample: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.1 tJaHof1c+6P+Llz8D7E4Nt7sETVMtqqazEhcjX4hRIgdtTZwPeocLjIP3dbkIF+7 JfXt2QOIYulFC+1RcdtoA233TTbbYZXi5uPv+d3WMcbObQf3tMfuCXlWqBxCaIkT 3zD1R6MdXnry4KplWJTZg5vK6gMUpxogkrV1lhS8J9uBHYmeh63BzmLtGXBvIpPt Uli6G12PylQ693YexPfk1qR7BSrK863QfZKmOB1BmG7j9TBuigSXKjSL19Vx4MCX mM90Nz1z5wW2DXkl328BZPNOMiAEvCcVOZJcM/PFvm7z9fY1VV2ukD9wm91V/RqN ZNm1/glIyDLCSgq3VqnQfzpzeqrWTCksQLhPrGYdJjgcDKTY07oTuRHM7yjO0H7E ScU9jsbsP7ISFcr6XTNFlUSgG1v78q/PGTMp/nWOieho6MiRfvXEEplKeUFa+FpE Y2uYdEmAiHodTKuz5F39ucIMwNnuSQzrGhDklpkHxMkEWT3PYvNHLVT8i6q1LdgR +j1jMZr9lPC7i5L7oYC0tVwPQaEb4ks2HiaU7FRhUTc3Nny1/0psJZ8Z0A0slhis D8A+BSfWl8Nyj/ojzRP8rLWfMKLxrtduqetrwMBVIOIsNwPABe9sqTL2dWnJEE3u kZSxbo5pwl3g03hT0O9HZzlwau0eliBK7T =7W70 -----END PGP MESSAGE-----

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Re: misc crypto stuff
by mycal (voices through your head ＠ 88.1MHz) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 30 Sep 93 18:33:08 GMT, "J. Eric Townsend" <jet(a)netcom.com> wrote: > "mycal (voices through your head @ 88.1MHz)" writes: >> [my prediction deleted] > > Already happened. The fellow used something like PGP, if not PGP, to > encrypt stuff to disk. If I remember correctly (Mike G., help me out > here) he was asked to cough up the passwords in court as part of the > legal proceedings. (I remember this only because of the following > discussion of 'can a court make me give out my passwords?) No call > for banning of encryption by The Media(tm). > Yes but if this is true it still was an isolated case, was they guy sending stuff to other ppl encrypted? Was he receiveing porn from over seas? Or was he just protecting his personal notes? The Media and the sheep, i mean ppl, wouldn't be moved to take a hard position if it is just one guy protecting his diary, even if it contained lots of evidance. But give them a network of child porno guys, and a well done under cover operation that gives just enough information that uncrackable crypto was used and that the police were lucky in catching these guys with inside info and that there are many encrypted messages flowing in and out, and throughout the US that could be pornographers just like these guys, or worse, and the police are powerless to do anything, even if they suspect wrong doing. Just watch the Media jump all over this one. mycal

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POISON PILL :-)
by Sandy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I wrote: . . . What could be done have the computer screw up the cop's data days, weeks or months after the seizure? Of course, I would never do such a thing myself, nor would I advise anyone else to do so. I do, however, have a passing academic interest in the subject. Same for you folks too, right? Perry responded: Why wouldn't you? Its your machine, so what you do to it is perfectly legal. You are under no obligation to make your equipment suitable for people who wish to steal it. Well duh, Perry. Let me rephrase that: . . . nor would I advise anyone else to do so. I do, however, have a passing academic interest in the subject. Same for you folks too, right? * * >>> please note! >>>> | <<<< please note! <<< \___/ (smiley face for the humor impaired) But all seriousness aside, Perry also offers a suggestion about altering the ROMs on the disk controllers and then using a special operating system. Sounds like a terrific idea. Just how hard is this to do? How about somebody writing a how-to manual for this? Or maybe all we need is a sticker that says: !!WARNING!! This Machine is Booby-Trapped Use at Your Own Risk S a n d y >>>>>> Please send e-mail to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com <<<<<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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