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Re: legality of wiretapping: a "key" distinction
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:14 PM 10/5/96 -0700, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 04:42 PM 10/4/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >>I think it's really very simple. Wiretaps in the US were illegal until >>1968. > >Then please explain what the Supreme Court was doing some 40 years prior to >1968, in _Olmstead v. US_ 277 U.S. 438 (1928), where the product of a >wiretap was held to be admissible because without a physical trespass there >was no Fourth amendment violation. (This is no longer good law.) Then you ignored the rest of my commentary. While wiretaps were narrowly held "constitutional" in about 1932, as I vaguely recall, that doesn't mean that they were LEGAL: On numerous occasions subsequent to 1932, Congress rejected laws which would have legalized the use of wiretaps. They were not provided for under law. Obviously, you could take the position that Congress could have approved of them at any time, as they did in 1968, but apparently it took such approval to _legalize_ them. My position, of course, is that they are unconstitutional, period. But I also believe that the cops' use of wiretaps during this period when they were _illegal_ undermines their credibility and judgment when they claim they were constitutional. Minor point? Maybe, but it seems to me that anybody who tries to claim that he's on the side of the legal system's dictates has a bit of a problem if it turns out he's been engaging in illegal activity regularly. >>Of course, some >>lawyers (who have been trained to accept the status quo with little or no >>challenge) will disagree! However, those same lawyers would have accepted >>the Dred Scott decision without question, Plessy vs. Fergusen, etc. > >There's a difference between understanding the status quo and liking it. >But making up your own interpretation of the Constitution and then just >repeating it over and over is not legal argument and doesn't win cases. You're ENTIRELY misunderstanding (or misrepresenting) what I'm saying! I'm well aware that the SC disagrees, but that is simply because they are entirely wrong in this matter. Why should this surprise you? Given the rash of 5-4 decisions in the last few years, there can be no illusion that they always come to the right decision. I don't claim that they agree with me, quite the opposite. But if anything, their error justifies removing them by whatever level of force turns out to be necessary. > But >active misunderstanding can be dangerous when you're dealing with a system >that can and will take all of your stuff away or put you in prison or kill >you. Which, then, is entirely my point: The reason I think it's going to be necessary to "put THEM in prison or kill THEM" is because they will 'never' accept the correct interpretation of the Constitution. (See? I simply DO NOT ACCEPT the SC's "supremacy" in this. Neither did the founding fathers, BTW. The people are supreme, and by that I DO NOT MEAN 50%+1 of the people, either.) "Never" you ask? Okay, strictly speaking, the SC is very occasionally capable of admitting that it was wrong. But frankly, I don't think they have the _right_ to be wrong, and I don't feel that the hypothetical possibility that they may fix their collective heads some day is a valid argument against loading up an ANFO bomb in a Ryder truck. (there may be _other_ reasons against this, of course, and I'd prefer a more selective solution!) >>While I'm sure that I will be corrected if this is wrong, somehow I doubt >>whether there has EVER been a "before-the-fact", full challenge of a wiretap >>order _including_ representation for the target of the wiretap. > >I suspect there hasn't been one because it's not required under the way the >Constitution is and has been interpreted. That is yet another issue that has yet to be properly challenged. "Without a challenge that includes all parties, how can we be sure of any decision that doesn't include all parties?" > Here's a tip: if you think of a >way to interpret the Constitution that would make law enforcement not >merely less efficient but effectively impossible, your interpretation will >not be adopted, Your statement is inadvertently illuminating. Legal decisions are not supposed to be made by people who have a stake in the outcome. Here, you are acknowledging that there is no way to expect the current legal system will come to any kind of objective decision concerning these matters, precisely because they would reject any decision which was seen as "mak[ing] law enforcement effectively impossible." This sounds like a classic conflict-of-interest, huh? It's not quite the same as receiving a bribe, or falsely convicting an ex-wife's lover of murder, or some sort of purely personal issue. Nevertheless, it is a conflict of interest. And BTW, you vastly overstated your case by suggesting that the rejection of wiretaps would "make law enforcement...effectively impossible." Before telephones, there were no wiretaps, right?!? (I won't claim "justice was done," then, but they would have claimed it was...) And even today, probably 99%+ of cases decided by courts within the US do not contain any wiretap evidence at all (I invite you to correct me if I'm wrong, here!) so I suggest that it is obvious that even the complete rejection of wiretaps wouldn't "make law enforcement...effectively impossible." (how could it?) So were you just exaggerating for effect? No, I don't think so. You just demonstrated the typical kind of biased, "the ends justifies the means" myopia which probably affects nearly all judges and cops, and most lawyers. As penance, I suggest you go back and re-visit the issue. Just exactly how "effectively impossible" must a decision make law enforcement before a judge will decide the other way on the legitimacy of a tactic? I don't doubt that the Star Chamber thought that racks, thumbscrews, and various other torture implements were necessary for _their_ job... >and therefore is not useful. No, actually it's potentially quite useful! It's just highly embarrassing for anyone who has a strong psychological stake in working entirely within the American legal system. >It might or might not be >theoretically elegant or logically attractive, it will not be adopted. So >stop thinking about it. Ultimately, I don't think there's even a choice in the matter: The current system WILL be dropped, possibly directly onto the heads of the people who currently populate it! Are you going to be part of the solution, or part of the problem? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - September 9, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CTIAs Daily News From WOW-COM was not circulated yesterday and today because of a wireline telephone system failure that is disrupting service to the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association building in Washington, D.C. We regret the inconvenience this may have caused you and look forward to resuming the Daily News service as soon as possible.

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Re: Carl Johnson's private key
by jimg＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan skribis: > I make that point in my article, but have not seen truthmonger's private > key posted. Care to forward it to me? I stopped paying attention to most of Truthmonger's spew, but did collect one private key it posted, under the name "Earmonger", since I was doing PGP experiments at the time. I think this one doesn't have an associated passphrase, which would make forging with it quite simple. I sort of think more of its private keys were posted, but I didn't keep any others. This does, however, establish a pattern of behavior suggesting it didn't keep private keys strictly private. IIRC many of TM's messages were simply file-encrypted with an openly posted passphrase, which doesn't take a rocket scientist to crack. Jim Gillogly -------------------------------------------- Earmonger key, clipped last year: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQENAzZsmI4AAAEIANHHMhV7V8WqPO6RjjfhZbeY/e6hsjAjKckU7YAYPhHiJfqG xw5+PgVjRPhIpXEE8ksmzZBzyH5KLW5GKFJZoD6YvVUSuzm+Gpxv+G78sBDBljUt BUoaB0XM4HSjEuqZtRtva+l+MAr3tFrK8FSdCsSgjQa8oOT5yFE76hgOGOkXGDKC HAISINKdduNsp4PU6HiNoKMdYpCCvK5u08lQFcByare2yaYmawYLmCzheCWLv9F/ kvnFtXCjup/pQNcOVeb/FkDx42l4vMwiWTH+AvrsjsV1njUIi9DTmcmD4doPlzBS qgbvQiTa16T2E4wJlnmATuW3QdwuBbdT2FSgj3MABRG0F0Vhck1vbmdlciA8ZW1A ZGV2Lm51bGw+iQEVAwUQNmyYjgW3U9hUoI9zAQHjNgf+KIDuWoBvfUj4H1twHvYU +IeDWIApLDnHkR7tsalLi9jY345iAolt3a/CiYxXPtjy9yedSaKoPasuvQk2cZ6e LZZwgEfDYj1GvjLC9D1rSItLLl6aDqYfhN2D2wgnB4mJssx1NP9zLQRf8aJkbDnl BMy3kfTr6ANmwe1hRGFWiuLkhnEtKzc9TFxBtx+4bx66rBBTzSUBfynH35bCLHLw hVzWGc5A0F18LG2WRLbGa/LcEXjp35jHyrJV73t2gUwVjH5qGa0B5O0dpvK9yDR9 wutFrmuhRgfqHO5Tclp470dkQFJv6HHMrSYyjRFFtyC9A+5Fvd1WkW7oLRAUxZmm HZkBogQ0i2ULEQQA17gNRCXxoQBVQVD+zukbAWtxMCio0tfXEJYPN516KNT7noeK dA4Q+TItlf8uC6VkUkUwabIueLZwvykDo83tnupSkvxEQ/EftLpm56kBIrgWprJM f0rIhFpIR0mNiT8ZH3z7OCAcQrfSCowk//4iESLLW8H0tFx5B9bPXrrrnkcAoP88 aezjfDn3DMlloJP9hNgRgvplA/0TKu4o2DNdIFAp/xeZE2R6wxrPfPfV00xNTgXe 5xXS3rCEljz48q6DEymmvA+oFuszKcrgOVDMT1TcKE1MzPjeKoe3c4Di92X+FoGa IenXHQrmfn7uUo54twYFqp8VsHgtfsg3F8KfFg/znF5BrIVq+aXQF9m/LczcObRz IXceEQQAhKvUfNYfP7NKA7sGkV38iFi8iJxsvkMk3RvlG6IxV0d3ATCRcvAFYUV3 fyap+CS0UnoBGZUmmIY5EvC2KyI9h8X+AXPymgM4JeQ2Hg7DnEXMegFwJ3iK9+Cg KlTS/R/h8qYUW5G1qYgYBU+JQ3I2wxmeaVWBBtYM0Rukppz+F5G0F0Vhck1vbmdl ciA8ZW1AZGV2Lm51bGw+iQBLBBARAgALBQI0i2ULBAsDAQIACgkQJH46DXlIPur3 KACgn/XD/dT+BvqkoDk1dOrbbdd00z0AnAqTYWdIKb1HkKf7Sfetwh/vKCXHuQIN BDSLZQsQCAD2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz 0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ+PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRP xfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarTW56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvN ILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY7288kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dD ox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMI PWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XpMgs7AAICCAC9H3enQ+6tZvcA5cjF3M2nTFCS IjerrQsQ5MZJ1EWYYhkgYkUQwtfuYL4NU/PelIo1TdYBr4mbNzxwJMFZ22cDNiOn J9oUhfDJyTA4yOacTxgl/wAXFD1FElzrVjlkf6TKW4+Db1elApcFbTDSvLNRPQev rtIrNRR480AtI8Um76RySrl9okI5L7TvtAXZMQnuyTtyA+YeG2/FvE3cOIY7EFXg Zm/jPGw6ijsbATKh6dsnb8f8dahB4awsTAzz0Unzx49TCUk0AdU9jbdP+8i+g9eJ uodZhd71d2o7HyhAwkVNKcsu5nqpFzwAWK5xSy5x1AprWWrTiu6uiAQ6T5Q/iQBG BBgRAgAGBQI0i2ULAAoJECR+Og15SD7qKaAAn0gbCIF0XzBifU27o9N7x4RI/IUX AJ49fXSrtX0w17W0gCe7BCvjXkRP7Q== =SVmn -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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[SPAM] Timmy May continues to violate netiquette
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May has no life. >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] "Childish fool" Timmy May abuses mor(m)ons, spawns flame threads >In-Reply-To: <N2XBVD17w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961005093522.16261A-100000(a)crl12.crl.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Please stop violating net etiquet (and spamming) by posting private >e-mail messages to the list. > >On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT) >> >From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> >> >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] More "fuckhead" e-mail from Timmy May and his young friends >> >In-Reply-To: <uk5aVD10w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> >> >Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961005071820.9224A-100000(a)crl5.crl.com> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> > >> >Please stop spamming the list. It is rude and disrespectful to >> >all list members. It makes you look like a childish fool. >> > >> >On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >> > >> >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >Message-Id: <199610050215.AA00807(a)crl5.crl.com> >> >> >Subject: Re: [VULIS] >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:15:36 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >In-Reply-To: <FV67uD8w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Oct 2, 96 08:29:14 pm >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >Content-Length: 7527 >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I have no dog, nor any other pets. Timmy May (fart) reportedly has two cats. >> >> >> If you suspect that Timmy May (fart) sexually abuses his cats, or any other >> >> >> animals, you should promptly contact the ASPCA and also alert rec.pets.cats. >> >> >> >> >> >> (Frankly, I doubt that the old fart can get his dick up to sexually abuse >> >> >> anything, including his cats. Senility puts an end to sexual molestation.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199610021931.AA24883(a)crl11.crl.com> >> >> >> >Subject: Important >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <gqH3uD93w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 30, 96 07:57:27 am >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >Content-Length: 6226 >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Dr. Vulis sucks his dog's butt. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199609300441.AA10704(a)crl12.crl.com> >> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: Vulis FUCKHEAD sucks Timmy's Cock >> >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:41:42 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <LJV2uD91w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 29, 96 11:58:09 pm >> >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >Content-Length: 5298 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Vulis sucks Timmy's boyfriend's cock. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199609300332.AA09870(a)crl12.crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] More "fuckhead" fan mail from Timmy "peteur" May >> >> >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >> >> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:32:58 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <ueP2uD86w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 29, 96 09:45:41 pm >> >> >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Length: 4378 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> berserk >> >> >> >> >> >> Timmy May has gone . Has he been eating speed? >> >> >> >> >> >> bananas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199609300138.AA08482(a)crl12.crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] More fan mail from Timmy "peteur" May >> >> >> >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >> >> >> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <FFi2uD82w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 29, 96 07:14:50 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Length: 3442 >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What has Timmy been smoking? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 29 19:03:40 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] via UUCP; Sun, 29 Sep 96 19:14:06 EDT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] for dlv >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] id AA25790 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 29 Sep 96 19:03:40 -0400 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac16129; >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] 29 Sep 96 15:59 BST >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] id aa09441; 29 Sep 96 15:54 BST >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] id AA843903697 ; Sat, 28 Sep 96 09:41:37 +0000 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 09:21:37 +0000 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Subject: Re: Possible subs attack???? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Priority: normal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]X-Pm-Encryptor: JN-PGP-P, 4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Message-Id: <844008901.9441.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]> The lying sack of shit Timmy May <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]> The lying sack of shit Timmy May lies again, as usual. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Fuck you, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]I am not Tim May, Check out the return path if you don`t believe me, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]if you still don`t here`s my PGP public key signed by the EFF, they >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]don`t sign keys here and there without checking ID`s... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]pub 1024/5BBFAEB1 1996/07/30 Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Version: 2.6.3ia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]=CMZA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Version: 2.6.3ia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Charset: cp850 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]iQCVAwUBMkzuH75OPIRbv66xAQHSmQQAqw0F/lIsCcQwOpiSQDx4hMqOVVUVXbyR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]3RMWY20ECE0TpAtJ6hkAiqphsWUSBqiFj2kGHMh+jHSHXIMPF+m1qtwVbgutJC7B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]8VYWj0VP+bGu5dEUisLrVHDNj5ucEIDyK2GnqObiCiKARFUbOuZnMQOp9TDJqibh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]2Wqa5+h8R7g= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]=/M2U >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Fuckhead. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Fuckhead. We know your behind Vulis, Cock-sucker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >and he swallows >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Fuckhead. >> >> >>

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Re: Fw: Re: ITAR satellite provision
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 5 Oct 1996 05:43:39 -0400 (EDT), The Deviant wrote: >> >So.. if I were to take PGP, put it on a floppy disk, tape it to a model >> >rocket, and launch it across the mexican border, that's not exporting it >> >(although the FAA might complain)? >> As I read the regs, it's not an export at the moment it's launched, but >> it's almost certainly an export when it reaches Mexican airspace or when it >> touches Mexican soil. >Well now, I didn't send it accross the border. I sent it up. wind sent >it accross the border. That's kind of like saying "I didn't export PGP, I just handed a diskette to my Iraqi friend at the airport as he left - what he did with it is his responsibility" # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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RE: WINDOWS NT ????
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 07:57:22 -0700, John Fricker wrote: >>Microsoft claims C2 or higher for NT and deserves any ragging they get if >>it's not. Ditto for any other vendor who claims one thing and sells >>another. >You ought to read about C2. >DIdn't Steve Martin say something like "criticize things you don't know about". Okay, correct me if I'm wrong on this (as if you wouldn't...): 1. Microsoft markets NT with C2 security 2. Numerous industry magazines report that you can bypass NTFS file security by booting off of a diskette and using NTFSDOS. 3. Numerous industry magazines (and I believe MS finally mentioned it in some routine status update) all say that NT should now be considered C2 *ONLY* on machines w/o floppy drives. Sounds like they weren't quite honest on this one. Or are you trying to say that security-by-obscurity (relying on NTFS's then lack of external mounting programs) was a good choice? >>BTW: Bizarre NT Quirk #15413 - The Administrator account does not have >>access to the entire disk. You got it - if you're the administrator you >>still cannot look into certain directories belonging to another user - even >>if you've given all access privileges to the Admin account. Got a few >>chuckles at work. >It's not rocket science to defeat this. The administrator is prevented from casually peering >into user owned directories but any administrator worth a nickle can tap tap click and have >access to any directory. I know that you can get in there. It just seemed odd that it would be setup by default... # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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Voice Stress Analysis of Debates?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:01 PM 10/5/96 -0400, John Young wrote: >URL in The Economist, October 5, 1996, p. 46. >http://www.cmiatl.com/ > Crisis Management International, Inc. >CMI provides crisis management services relating to "hot" >threats of violence, workplace violence prevention, and >post-incident crisis intervention. In addition, CMI provides >threat of violence and crisis response training, >psych-claims management assistance, and SCAN analysis, which >is a deception detection technique. This reminds me... Years ago, somebody developed a technique called "Voice Stress Analysis," which was supposed to detect small variations in a person's voice in response to stress. Not exactly a lie-detector, but it was supposed to do nearly the same thing. Does anybody plan to analyze the debates for stress? Is there software to do this? (Tried to do a web-search; didn't see anything.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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SRC_rip
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-7-96. NYP: "Seymour Cray, Computer Industry Pioneer and Father of the Supercomputer, Dies at 71." Markoff "I was fortunate in having an instructor at the University of Minnesota who was looking after me in the sense that when I said, 'What's next?' he said, 'If I were you, I'd just go down the street here to Engineering Research Associates, and I'd think you'd like what they're doing there." The company was doing contract work for the Navy in cryptography. Mr. Cray's first supercomputers permitted researchers to crack enemy codes. ----- http://jya.com/srcrip.txt (13 kb) ftp://jya.com/pub/incoming/srcrip.txt SRC_rip

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Re: This list is a joke
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> When I subscribed to this list, I thought it would have decent > communication on worthwhile topics. I've come to realize though that 75% > of the messages I receive are from people whining like 4 year olds. I am > making a huge assumption in saying that most of the people on this list > are adults. It is time to start acting like it. > > Please take my name off this list. I think if you qualified as an adult you would be able to unsubscribe yourself from a mailing list without assistance. Keep the whingeing to yourself... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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"Drift net fishing," GAK, FBI, and NSA
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A couple of posters have talked about "drift net fishing" of communications, where random stuff is sampled and intelligence items gleaned. (I think it was Ernest Hua who cited the example in a Tom Clancy book/movie.) Perhaps, but let's go back to the discussions at the EPIC "SAFE" conference in Palo Alto several months ago. Some convincing evidence was presented that the moving force behind GAK is *not* the NSA, but is rather the *FBI*. Specifically, even 40-bit keys are probably too long for massive "drift net fishing," in that the cost per break is probably still too high. The cost for a "focussed attack" (I can't think of a fishing parallel...maybe "spear fishing"?) is of course low. The speaker at SAFE pointed out that the FBI is pushing for the 40-bit keys (and now is accepting the 56-bit keys?) because for focussed attacks, e.g., on the communications of a person under observation, they can call on other agencies to break the ciphers for them (even if they don't yet have their own such machines). In a nutshell, almost any level of encryption above, say, 30something bits, is too much when millions of messages per day are to be "drift-netted" is too much. (The exact number that is "too much" depends on a lot of factors, including the cost of the cipher-breaking machines, the number of messages to be read per day, etc. This number will change with time.) The FBI's interest may be changing, too. Their lead role in the TWA 800 investigation may have them sorely wanting "drift net" capabilities, as all other leads are exhausted. If we see more of these sorts of terrorist (maybe) incidents, it may be that more "drift net" capabilities are sought. A note on _contact analysis_. One thing the FBI probably wants badly are databases of who has travelled where, and when, for correlation analysis. Note that the crackdown on "valid IDs" for travel, for airlines, helps in this regard. I would not be surprised to learn that the airline databases are routinely fed to the Feds, so to speak. (Possibly via the FAA, acting as a kind of cutout.) Were I the head of the FBI, this is what I would want. The next step will be collecting hotel reservation databases. (Unlike the case with the FAA and the airlines, I don't know what kind of authority would grant them access to private hotel databases, but I expect they are working to find such authority somewhere. Maybe the infinitely malleable "regulation of commerce" clause, even if hotel stays are canonically _not_ interstate trade!) (They already got access to the credit card databases, decades ago, of course.) --Tim May "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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