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Re: "Random Sequence"
by rollo＠artvark.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 07:25 AM 3/31/96 -0700, Rollo Silver wrote: >>The paper "On the Effective Definition of 'Random Sequence'", by Michael >>Levin, Marvin Minsky, and Roland Silver can be viewed (and downloaded, and >>printed) from my website <http://www.artvark.com/artvark>. > >Rollo, > > I read the paper and it's nice work -- but it departs from current >definitions of random sequences in that it assumes you specify the countable >set of machines trying to test for non-randomness first and then generate a >sequence to fool that set of machines. Current definitions of randomness >assume an infinite set of testing machines, often limited to polynomial time >and space, and a sequence generator that must defeat them all without >knowing anything about them. Such sequences are, in a sense, "more random" >than the ones your paper dealt with -- I believe. Did I miss something? * It's a bit anachronistic to say in 1996 that a paper written 30 years earlier "departs from current definitions of random sequences." The authors may have been brilliant, but they weren't prescient. <g> I can't imagine how a computer could be smart enough to defeat an infinite set of guessing machines without knowing ANYTHING about them. In fact, what's wrong with this argument: call the "fooling" machine Frank, and one of the "guessing" machine Gert. You say that Frank doesn't need to know anything about Gert. Let me suppose however that Gert DOES know about Frank. In that case, Gert can simulate Frank and "guess" his output, thus foiling Frank's attempts to fool Gert! Maybe it's the "polynomial time & space". That restricts the guesser-domain considerably, compared with our very weak requirement that the guessers can be any Turing machines whatever -- as long as the set of them is effectively calculable. BTW, is the set of ALL finite automata effectively calculable? I suspect maybe so. If so, by essentially the argument given in the paper, there is a computer (Turing machine) that can fool them ALL. I hope it's okay to cc this note to coderpunks. It's not about coding per se, but it may shed some light on what "randomness" means, and on "computable randomness", which sounds appropriate for coderpunks to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rollo Silver | The CDA means | Artvark / PO Box 219 505-586-0197 | lost jobs and | San Cristobal, NM 87564 USA rollo(a)artvark.com | dead teenagers | http://www.artvark.com/artvark/

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E-News!
by CINDYV＠sierra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sierra On-Line E-News Issue 1.1, April 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to the first ever Sierra On-Line electronic newsletter! It's informative, it's free, and it doesn't kill any trees. In each issue, you'll find information on new releases, behind-the-scenes peeks at products in development, great bargains you won't be find anywhere else, and possibly even a hint or two. Look for the following departments (and make sure to check the end of this newsletter for a chance to win five free Sierra games!): *Headlines (news so hot, we had to mention it first) *Games (there's always an adventure in store at Sierra) *Home Productivity (great stuff for the home system) *Kidstuff (products even a mother will love) *The Virtual Store (hot deals and bargain prices) *Web News (what's new with Sierra's website) *Technical Support (don't blow up that computer!) You're getting this newsletter because you clicked one of the "yes, I'd like more information" boxes when you registered on our website. Assuming that we aren't kidnapped by Martians (always a danger), you'll find one of these virtual newsletters in your mailbox about once a month. If you'd like to unsubscribe for whatever reason (too much mail already, allergic to newsletter electrons, gave up computer games so you'd have more time for macrame), all you need to do is mail us at UNSUBSCRIBE(a)SIERRA.COM, with your e-mail address as the Subject: line. If you later regret the decision and would like to re-subscribe, just send a note to SUBSCRIBE(a)SIERRA.COM. And now, with the administrative stuff out of the way, let's go on to the interesting bits: HEADLINES ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ New Member of the Sierra Family ---------------------------------------- The big news here is Sierra's acquisition of Papyrus, maker of the top-selling Indy Car and NASCAR racing simulations. And with games as incredible as those, who wouldn't want to buy the company? Well, apparently the Software Publishers Association shares our opinion, since Indy Car II just won no less than two Codie awards, one for Best Sports Software and the other for Best Simulation Software Program. If you haven't seen Indy Car II, you may want to check it out. After all, if your last name's not Unser or Andretti, this may be your only chance to win! http://www.sierra.com/sierra/papy/home.htm GAMES ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Everybody Wants To Rule The World ------------------------------------------- Have you ever had one of those days when you're sitting at your desk, looking at everybody else's emergencies spilling out of your in-box, and think to yourself, "You know, if I were king of all these idiots, I'd feed `em to the crocodiles"? Well, your chance at imperialist expansion is on the way. We've just put the finishing touches on The Rise and Rule of Ancient Empires. Imagine the opportunity not only to carve your own empire out of untamed wilderness (or out of the ruins of your enemies' cities), but also to stomp your friends and co-workers along the way! Rise and Rule has everything going for it: full modem and network support, a wide range of cultures to choose from, a great CD-audio soundtrack, lots of fully-rendered cut-scenes, even different architectural graphics depending on which culture you're playing. If you liked Caesar II, then this game is the next step forward. Our Technical Support department has been playing a lot of it after-hours, and I think i! ! t's safe to say that we're hooked. Bottom line: this is definitely THE game for anyone with a taste for global conquest. http://www.sierra.com/games/riserule News From The Officers' Club ---------------------------------- If it's contemporary warfare that you're after, then you'll definitely want to check out Silent Thunder: A-10 Tank Killer 2. This is one kicking, white-knuckled, joystick-killing ride. Even the critics are raving: PC Gamer says that Silent Thunder has "the best terrain graphics ever seen in a flight sim" and Strategy Plus says that it includes "incredible terrain graphics and all the best features of the original A-10 game, pushed to current cutting edge levels." My cousin says that it's an absolute nuisance, since now he can't get his wife off the computer. If you're a fan of the original A-10 Tank Killer, or of combat flight simulations in general, you'll find a lot to like in this game. And, since it is just a game, the best part is that even if you crash into the ground in a ball of flames and twisted metal, the worst thing that might actually happen is that you'll spill your drink into the keyboard when smashing both fists into the computer table. http://www.sierra.com/games/sttank Surface To Air ---------------- If you prefer futuristic combat, then perhaps you're ready to fight that final desperate battle against Cybrid world domination. In the newly-released EarthSiege 2, that war will turn about as vicious as a mother rhino protecting her young. All-new HERCs with all-new weaponry maximize the possibility for destructive fun. And if you ever found yourself playing the original EarthSiege and saying, "You know, I could take that bad boy out in three seconds if this thing could only FLY," you're in luck; one of the new HERCs is an airborne combat monster. So sign on for another tour of duty, and this time we'll promise you the dream of every HERC pilot ... bigger guns. http://www.sierra.com/games/es2 Desktop Athletes Battle It Out Online -------------------------------------------- On the interactive end of things, the results are in from the first-ever "Sierra Bowl". If you're not a CompuServe or America Online user, you may have missed out on hearing about this, but it was an absolute blast! The champion of AOL's Front Page Sports: Football Pro league faced off against CompuServe's champion in a winner-take-all game held just before the real Super Bowl. We ran the game right here at Sierra on a copy of FPS: Football Pro `96, and simul-cast all the action live on both AOL and CompuServe. (Hey, none of us had tickets to the real Super Bowl, so we had to make our own!) The winner was CompuServe's Chris Muller (representing Dallas), who took home a plethora of nifty prizes including a color TV, 10 hours of free online time on both AOL and Compuserve, a Barry Sanders autographed football, a Football Pro Design Team T-shirt, and, of course, the coveted Sierra Bowl trophy. http://www.sierra.com/sierra/online/ossb/ossb.htm KIDSTUFF ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Kudos For "Lost Mind Of Dr. Brain" ------------------------------------------- Bragging time: one of my favorite Sierra programs just won the Software Publishers Association's Codie award for Best Home Learning Program for Adolescents. And if you think that The Lost Mind Of Dr. Brain is only for kids, then you're in for a surprise the first time you find yourself trying desperately to get past the Synaptic Cleft puzzle just ONE LAST TIME ... at three in the morning. I speak from experience. Don't say I didn't warn you. http://www.sierra.com/games/drbrain "Playtoons" `Toons In -------------------------- If you've got kids, then you're probably very familiar with Saturday morning cartoons. Kids and `toons go together like peanut butter and jelly (or, in my cousin's house, peanut butter and waffles ... bleah). Now you can give your kids the tools to create their very own cartoons on your home PC or Mac. Sierra's new Playtoons series gives kids a chance to write, direct, edit, record, and play a nearly limitless set of animated sequences in a variety of absurd and fun situations. Educators would say that it "promotes creative thinking." This is true, but personally what I would say is that it keeps them off the TV so you can watch reruns of "The Dukes of Hazzard". (Two great reasons to pick up a copy!) Look for no less than four new Playtoons titles in the near future. WEB NEWS ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If it's been a while since the last time you logged onto our website, there's a few good reasons to go take another look. One I think you'll particularly like is our new Chat area. (Right now, this area is open to Netscape 2.0 users only, but we're working on it!) We'll be using the Chat forum to host regular conferences with game designers and developers. To start it off, we hosted a discussion on Friday, March 15th, with the designers of the upcoming Front Page Sports: Baseball `96. And to celebrate the fact that we signed last season's Cy Young award winner Randy Johnson to help us out with this new game, we even gave away free Sierra products during the chat session. Sound cool? Then be there for the next one! http://www.sierra.com/bin/club/chat/sierrachat THE VIRTUAL STORE ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Never got around to dogfighting those German aces? 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You can find them in your local software store, or order them directly from our website's online store or from the legion of telephone customer service representatives at 1-800-SIERRA5. Then you can tell that third-grade teacher who used to lecture you about punctuality that you paid about thirty bucks less per game than she did. http://www.sierra.com/games/originals/index.html ONE MORE THING ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If you're anything like me, the one thing better than dirt-cheap games is free games, so I'll throw a few of those in here as well. I just so happen to have a big batch of SierraOriginals titles sitting at my desk (got them through the departmental budget by calling them "research materials") and I'm holding a contest to give `em away. And since I hate random drawings (since they involve no thought) and essay contests (since I'd have to read all your entries, and I do have somewhere I need to go this year), we're going to do this a little bit differently. One of the SierraOriginals is "Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards." There are a lot of letters in that game title, and if they were in a different order, it stands to reason that they'd make other words and sentences. What I'm looking for is the most creative sentence which can be made from the letters in the game title. You don't have to use all of the letters, but each letter can only be used once (t! ! here's only one "g" in the title, so there'd better only be one "g" in the sentence). You may use as much punctuation as you need. Send your sentences to PRIZE(a)SIERRA.COM. Whichever entry I think is the coolest (that's right, just me, no panel of impartial judges, sorry) wins your choice of any FIVE SierraOriginals games. That should keep you busy for a while. And that's about everything I can fit into one issue. Fun info next month on Betrayal In Antara and the Mac version of Space Quest 6, so stay tuned, and happy gaming! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Visit the Sierra On-Line website at: http://www.sierra.com To unsubscribe from this newsletter: UNSUBSCRIBE(a)SIERRA.COM Please remember to put your e-mail address all by itself in the Subject: line when you try to unsubscribe, or (guess what?) it won't work. Comments? Suggestions? Family recipes for lasagna? Great! Just send them to CindyV, at the following address: CINDYV(a)SIERRA.COM If the volume of mail is staggering, it may take me a day or two to reply, but I will answer each and every e-mail, because your comments are important to us (and also because I'm a certified e-mail junkie, just one step away from E-Mailers' Anonymous).

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Re: Test case for RSA t-shirts
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:33 AM 4/2/96 -0800, Jeff Weinstein wrote: >Dave Del Torto wrote: >> >> At 1:08 pm 3/30/96, Raph Levien wrote: >> > While we're on the subject, I called Sam Capino's office regarding my >> >CJR for this t-shirt, and he said they were still waiting for a response >> >from the NSA. I think my next move will be a letter asking exactly when >> >I can expect a response, and whether there's anything I can do to compel >> >a response, It was originally filed (in October) as a 15-day expedited >> >review. >> >> FYI, PRZ mentioned to me last night that the CJR on the OCR-able book of >> PGP source is still pending. The "15 days" has stretched into about a year >> in that case, if I don't have my dates/the facts wrong. Bob Prior at MIT >> would know. I'm trying to figure out what the difference is (legal) between a "book" an an "OCR-able" book. FAIK, all fonts are OCR-able, simply with widely varying degrees of difficulty. A fixed-spacing, non-microspace justified typewriter font is probably one of the easiest ones to OCR. Did the export license application for this "OCR-able" book say that "It's an OCR-able" book, or did they just include a copy of that book on paper?

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Treasure of Sierra Madres?
by cpunk＠remail.ecafe.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"The scent of riches wafting from cyberspace is overpowering." Free CSI Report Explores Threats to Secure Electronic Commerce San Francisco, April 2 -- The drive toward Internet commerce is unstoppable. But how serious are the security threats associated with it? And how effective are the proposed solutions? Computer Security Iinstitute's "Special Report on Electronic Commerce Security: Treasure of Sierra Madres?" offers a comprehensive look at the risks, threats and vulnerabilities of Internet-based transactions. Will the profits justify the risk? What lessons can be drawn from recent revelations such as the vetting of Netscape, the robbing of Citibank, the ransacking of the Netcom and the Kocher "timing attack?" This latest "CSI Special Report" contains insightful answers from a broad range of experts including Dr. Gene Spafford of Computers, Operations, Audit, Security and Technology (COAST), Donn B. Parker of SRI International, Dan Farmer, co-author of SATAN, and Mack Hicks, Vice President of Bank of America. "The scent of riches wafting from cyberspace is overpowering," comments Richard Power, CSI editor and author of the report. "The risk of failing to go on-line is perceived as greater than the risk of failing to go on-line securely. But recent revelations about vulnerabilities in Java and Netscape highlight how much still needs to be done." The 19-page study includes practical tools such as electronic commerce security checklists and sample electronic commerce policies. To obtain a free copy of CSI's "Special Report on Electronic Commerce Security" email your mailing address to prapalus(a)mfi.com, phone 415-905-2310, or fax 415-905-2218. Computer Security Institute (CSI) is the industry's leading international membership organization specifically serving the information security professional. Established in 1974, CSI has members worldwide and provides a wide variety of information and educational programs to assist practitioners in protecting the information assets of corporations and governmental organizations. --

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Majordomo and anon.penet.fi
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In case anyone is interested, I have written a patch for Majordomo 1.93 that will automatically convert an address of the form "anXXXXX(a)anon.penet.fi" to "naXXXXX(a)anon.penet.fi". I have tested the code I used to patch up Majordomo, but I haven't verified that it actually works within Majordomo. *** majordomo.pl.orig Sat Jan 7 12:34:27 1995 --- majordomo.pl Tue Apr 2 23:24:15 1996 *************** *** 81,86 **** --- 81,91 ---- $ReplyTo = $array{'apparently-from'} unless $ReplyTo; join(", ", &main'ParseAddrs($ReplyTo)) if $ReplyTo; + if ($ReplyTo =~ '^(an).*\(a)anon\.penet\.fi') + { + $anonid = substr($ReplyTo, 2); + $ReplyTo = "na$anonid"; + } $ReplyTo; } -- Mark =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= markm(a)voicenet.com | finger -l for PGP key 0xf9b22ba5 http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/ | bd24d08e3cbb53472054fa56002258d5 "The concept of normalcy is just a conspiracy of the majority" -me

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Re: Elementrix Technology Announces Power Quantum Cryptography
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:58 AM 4/1/96 -0800, sales(a)elementrix.co.il wrote: >By using a novel method (covered by trade secret law and now patent-pending >in 26 countries) our server software transmits packets onto your local >network without reading them, thus preserving their unique quantum >properties. Any attempt to read the packet, except by the intended >recipient will destroy the quantum waveform of the packet. Our >sophisticated error-recovery system will detect this and re-initialize >with a predefined Emergency Quantum State, which has all the same >characteristics as the Normal Quantum State, but has not been compromised >by the attempted eavesdropper. Unfortunately, the method can be cracked easily. Because the system uses two patented states, a Normal Quantum State and an Emergency Quantum State, and it's patent-pending in 26 different countries, you can divide the 26 patent-pending states by the two patented states giving a pending 13. By rotating the 13 twice, of course, the original text can be recovered. However, the method is partially useful, using a lemma by Dr. Denning. While 26 is divisible by 2, it's not divisible by 3, so the addition of a third state renders it effective again. Denning's paper recommends use of a National Security State as the additional state, which provides effective protection, additional security and supports the legitimate needs of law enforcement. So if you want your crypto to be secure, it's an offer you can't refuse... Another approach has been suggested by the Syndicate for Quantum Deconstruction, in their prescient 1998 paper "Smash the State". By deconstructing the quantum packet on arrival, an imbalance is created which can only be resolved by constructing the packet an equal time period before the origination of the packet in the Normal Quantum State. In addition to preventing the emergence of the Emergency Quantum State, it allows, and in fact requires, the packet to be present and read some time before its original transmission time. Copies of the paper are currently circulating only as preprints; the original will be posted on http://www.timenet.net/1998/Physics/~SQuD/Deconstruct.vrml as soon as it becomes available. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 pager 408-787-1281 1995: Chat rooms, espresso, and Linux 1996: Exon, melatonin, and Java.

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Please stop sending "Test" messages to the list
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:35 PM 4/2/96, Anonymous wrote: >Test of remailer at utopia.hacktie.nl Look, folks, we're seeing more and more of these "test" messages. With 1000+ subscribers, clearly people should not be using the list as a target for test messages. And there is no need. Unlike, say, mail-to-newsgroup systems, about which there may be some doubt as to functioning, the Cypherpunks list is just another mailing address. Thus, if you can send anonymous mail to yourself--always a good test target--then you can send it to the cypherpunks(a)toad.com! I just deleted-and-ignored the last several of these "test" messages, but the time has come to say "Enough." (This is, naturally, not an enforceable opinion. I appeal to your common sense to not use the list as a target for test messages.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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CMU/BYU administrator helps the DoJ defend the CDA
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Dan Olsen was hired as the director of the Human Computer Interaction Institute at Carnegie Mellon University earlier this year. --Declan] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:12:20 -0700 To: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU> From: olsen(a)cs.byu.edu (Dan Olsen) Subject: Re: Question >Will you be testifying on behalf of the DoJ in the CDA lawsuit in >Philadelphia? Have you been at all involved with the case? > Yes I am and yes I have. ------------- Dan R. Olsen Jr. Computer Science Department, Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 phone: 801-378-2225 fax: 801-378-7775 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:35:39 -0700 To: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+CMU.EDU> From: olsencs.byu.edu (Dan Olsen) Subject: Re: Question >Dan: Thanks for replying. What are you planning to testify about? What >are your personal feelings about the CDA? How were you contacted? > I understand your interest, having read your home page. I would be happy to go over all of this with you when I actually move to CMU in July and the case has completed. Until the case is resolved, it would be inappropriate to discuss it. Thanks for your interest ------------- Dan R. Olsen Jr. Computer Science Department, Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 phone: 801-378-2225 fax: 801-378-7775

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Re: Navajo code-talkers
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:22 AM 4/3/96, Paul_Koning is rumored to have typed: > >From: grafolog @ netcom.com (Jonathon Blake) @ UGATE > > << It's one of the status languages to study, if you are > > a new ager --- along with Ancient Mayan, linear B and > > Egyptian Hieroglyphics. >> > > Well, hieroglyphics and linear b are writing systems, not languages. > And Linear B is Greek (though it takes effort to read it even if > you know your Homer...) Linear B is Minoan, and knowing Greek helps in understanding what things decipher to, but it predates the Greek alphabet by several centuries so even if you knew Homer personally you would have had trouble reading it. ObCrypto: Unlike Egyptian hieroglyphics, we have yet to find a Rosetta Stone equivalent for Linear B (or Linear A, it's predecessor, although I seem to remember Linear A being more akin to ideograms) Most of what is known about Linear B was inferred using a sort of linguistic cryptanalysis, in fact there was a paper in one of the Crypto proceedings from the mid-80s which described some of the methods employed. ObMoreDeadLanguages: Does anyone know if there are Unicode character sets for Sanskrit or hieroglyphics? How exactly does one get a proposed character set approved/ratified if not? jim

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Re: Digest Version???????
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Typically the way to get a digested version of a cow is to kill and eat it... Oh, wait, you probably mean the list..... www.hks.net and nntp.hks.net let you read the Cypherpunks and Coderpunks mailing lists with the Web and Newsreader programs (except when they're down for repairs.) The Web version is typically half a month behind because it gets summarized and hypertextified monthly, though I suspect the articles are there and it's just the index that's old. If you're looking for a reduced-volume list filtered using human intelligence, Eric Blossom <eb(a)comsec.com> does cypherpunks-light for $20/year, and Ray Arachelian (sp?) does fcpunx for free, somewhere you can probably look up with AltaVista. At 05:30 PM 4/3/96 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone know if I can get a digest version of this??? > > (__) > (oo) > /--------\/ > / | || <-- Moo.(We live in Wisconsin, the dairy state, get it?) > / || || > * ||-----|| > ~~ ~~

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