July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

[IP] more on The Shadow Internet
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

------ Forwarded Message From: Marc <marcaniballi(a)hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:27:05 -0500 To: <dave(a)farber.net> Subject: RE: [IP] The Shadow Internet Dear Dave; I find the entire piece to be rather amusing and I wonder if the source isn't a card carrying neo-conservative. The concept of these "dark nets" terrorizing anyone is ridiculous. Terrorism is the act of instilling extreme and usually generalized fear, and consequent action (or inaction) in an enemy/oppressor through excessive and/or seemingly random acts of violence usually involving significant loss of "innocent" life. What is the motivation of these "pirates?" It certainly isn't "booty;" They won't be getting rich by ripping and broadcasting media! It seems to me (having absolutely no direct personal experience of this corner of the net), that these folks do it to simply prove it can be done, and to prove they can do it better and faster. It strikes me that this makes it very difficult to eliminate this type of network. The usual methodology for crime syndicate elimination involves finding the money flow and stopping it and following it upstream - here however, there is no money flow! And since the community is very closed, highly distributed and has the best tech a "crime" syndicate could ask for, it becomes somewhat more problematic, especially introducing jurisdiction issues that can in some cases render the activity innocuous to local law! Cutting off the head of these broadcast networks is impossible - they are hydralike, and when you take out one head, the others instantly become immune to the previous style of attack. I have long subscribed to the concept that "soft piracy" shows the world an inefficiency that is impeding progress/evolution. In the 80s it was software piracy; the message? Too expensive and not useful enough! In western society this problem is being addressed fairly well, and piracy of software such as Windows (ignoring counterfeiters who resell, etc.) is more of a recreational sport than a serious impact on Microsoft. In the emerging economies piracy is still rampant, and will be until the average person can easily afford/justify the expense. Now, in the media world with CDs and DVDs, we have a similar situation. A VHS tape of a new release movie was $20 and a vinyl LP was $12 20 years ago. The technology has improved (one can hope!!) and volume is high enough to allow for scale economy to kick in - why are DVDs still $30+ and CDs $20+ ?!! Same game, different industry - possibly a more insidious game this time, because with software one can plainly see increasing capability with decreasing/static prices as a general trend - not so with media. (Recent developments such as iTunes aside). In my opinion, modern soft piracy is a necessary component to technological, commercial and social evolution - so long as it is the type of piracy that is founded on fun, not profit. Regards, Marc Aniballi -----Original Message----- From: owner-ip(a)v2.listbox.com [mailto:owner-ip@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of David Farber Sent: December 30, 2004 1:14 PM To: Ip Subject: [IP] more on The Shadow Internet I strongly agree but don't think it is just poor use of words, It has a very specific use and aim which is NOT nice. Dave ------ Forwarded Message From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk(a)gsp.org> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:33:25 -0500 To: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Cc: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne(a)warpspeed.com> Subject: Re: [IP] The Shadow Internet On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 10:41:33AM -0500, David Farber quoted: > Inside the pirate networks that are terrorizing the entertainment business. Please. I would like to suggest that anyone who uses the words stemming from "terror" in any context which does _not_ involve death, injury, torture, rape, etc. be repeatedly pummeled upside the head with a copy of the closest available unabridged dictionary -- preferably wielded by someone who has been an actual victim of actual terror and thus has a clue what it means. ---Rsk ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as marcaniballi(a)hotmail.com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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[p2p-hackers] announcing Tahoe-LAFS v1.8.3, fixing a security issue
by Zooko O'Whielacronx 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Folks: We found a security vulnerability in Tahoe-LAFS (all versions from v1.3.0 to v1.8.2 inclusive) that might allow an attacker to delete files. This vulnerability does not enable anyone to read file contents without authorization (confidentiality), nor to change the contents of a file (integrity). How exploitable this vulnerability is depends upon some details of how you use Tahoe-LAFS. If you upgrade your Tahoe-LAFS storage server to v1.8.3, this fixes the vulnerability. We've written detailed docs about the issue and how to manage it in the "Known Issues" document: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/trunk/docs/known_issues.rst I am sorry that we introduced this bug into Tahoe-LAFS and allowed it to go undetected until now. We aim for a high standard of security and reliability in Tahoe-LAFS, and we're not satisfied until our users are safe from threats to their data. We've been working with the packagers who maintain packages of Tahoe-LAFS in various operating systems, so if you get your Tahoe-LAFS through your operating system there may already be a fixed version available: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/wiki/OSPackages Please contact us through the tahoe-dev mailing list if you have further questions. Regards, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn ANNOUNCING Tahoe, the Least-Authority File System, v1.8.3 The Tahoe-LAFS team announces the immediate availability of version 1.8.3 of Tahoe-LAFS, an extremely reliable distributed storage system. Get it here: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/trunk/docs/quickstart.rst Tahoe-LAFS is the first distributed storage system to offer "provider-independent security" b meaning that not even the operators of your storage servers can read or alter your data without your consent. Here is the one-page explanation of its unique security and fault-tolerance properties: http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/docs/about.html The previous stable release of Tahoe-LAFS was v1.8.2, which was released January 30, 2011 [1]. v1.8.3 is a stable bugfix release which fixes a security issue. See the file [2] and known_issues.rst [3] file for details. WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? With Tahoe-LAFS, you distribute your filesystem across multiple servers, and even if some of the servers fail or are taken over by an attacker, the entire filesystem continues to work correctly, and continues to preserve your privacy and security. You can easily share specific files and directories with other people. In addition to the core storage system itself, volunteers have built other projects on top of Tahoe-LAFS and have integrated Tahoe-LAFS with existing systems, including Windows, JavaScript, iPhone, Android, Hadoop, Flume, Django, Puppet, bzr, mercurial, perforce, duplicity, TiddlyWiki, and more. See the Related Projects page on the wiki [4]. We believe that strong cryptography, Free and Open Source Software, erasure coding, and principled engineering practices make Tahoe-LAFS safer than RAID, removable drive, tape, on-line backup or cloud storage. This software is developed under test-driven development, and there are no known bugs or security flaws which would compromise confidentiality or data integrity under recommended use. (For all important issues that we are currently aware of please see the known_issues.rst file [3].) COMPATIBILITY This release is compatible with the version 1 series of Tahoe-LAFS. Clients from this release can write files and directories in the format used by clients of all versions back to v1.0 (which was released March 25, 2008). Clients from this release can read files and directories produced by clients of all versions since v1.0. Servers from this release can serve clients of all versions back to v1.0 and clients from this release can use servers of all versions back to v1.0. This is the fourteenth release in the version 1 series. This series of Tahoe-LAFS will be actively supported and maintained for the forseeable future, and future versions of Tahoe-LAFS will retain the ability to read and write files compatible with this series. LICENCE You may use this package under the GNU General Public License, version 2 or, at your option, any later version. See the file "COPYING.GPL" [5] for the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 2. You may use this package under the Transitive Grace Period Public Licence, version 1 or, at your option, any later version. (The Transitive Grace Period Public Licence has requirements similar to the GPL except that it allows you to delay for up to twelve months after you redistribute a derived work before releasing the source code of your derived work.) See the file "COPYING.TGPPL.html" [6] for the terms of the Transitive Grace Period Public Licence, version 1. (You may choose to use this package under the terms of either licence, at your option.) INSTALLATION Tahoe-LAFS works on Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, Cygwin, Solaris, *BSD, and probably most other systems. Start with "docs/quickstart.html" [7]. HACKING AND COMMUNITY Please join us on the mailing list [8]. Patches are gratefully accepted -- the RoadMap page [9] shows the next improvements that we plan to make and CREDITS [10] lists the names of people who've contributed to the project. The Dev page [11] contains resources for hackers. SPONSORSHIP Atlas Networks has contributed several hosted servers for performance testing. Thank you to Atlas Networks for their generous and public-spirited support. HACK TAHOE-LAFS! If you can find a security flaw in Tahoe-LAFS which is serious enough that we feel compelled to warn our users and issue a fix, then we will award you with a customized t-shirts with your exploit printed on it and add you to the "Hack Tahoe-LAFS Hall Of Fame" [12]. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS This is the eighth release of Tahoe-LAFS to be created solely as a labor of love by volunteers. Thank you very much to the team of "hackers in the public interest" who make Tahoe-LAFS possible. Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn on behalf of the Tahoe-LAFS team September 13, 2011 Boulder, Colorado, USA [1] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/relnotes.txt?rev=5164 [2] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/1.8.3/NEWS?rev=5014 [3] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/docs/known_issues.rst [4] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/RelatedProjects [5] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/COPYING.GPL [6] http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/COPYING.TGPPL.html [7] http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/docs/quickstart.html [8] http://tahoe-lafs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tahoe-dev [9] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/roadmap [10] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/1.8.3/CREDITS?rev=5003 [11] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/Dev [12] http://tahoe-lafs.org/hacktahoelafs/ _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Toolkit for detecting ISP modifications to web pages
by Charles Reis 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi Dave-- There has recently been some discussion on both this list and the Net Neutrality Squad mailing list about ISPs modifying web traffic (e.g., the recent messages about Rogers modifying Google's home page). Related to this, I wanted to point you to a toolkit that a server could use to detect whether its pages are being modified in flight. The toolkit is available at the URL below: http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/security/web-tripwire.html The toolkit allows publishers to deploy "web tripwires" on their own web pages. Web tripwires are JavaScript code that can detect when a web page is modified in flight, so that the publisher is aware of the event and can notify the end user if appropriate. The URL above also has a brief summary of a measurement study that used a web tripwire to detect changes to a web page (http://vancouver.cs.washington.edu ). A message on your IP mailing list back in July helped draw users for the study. We'd be happy to get feedback on either the toolkit or the study results. Thanks! Charlie Reis ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[IP] Toolkit for detecting ISP modifications to web pages
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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[FoRK] Choking the Internet
by James Walker 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Choking the Internet: How much longer will your favorite sites be on line? By Wayne Madsen December 9, 2005 -- Internet censorship. It did not happen overnight but slowly came to America's shores from testing grounds in China and the Middle East. Progressive and investigative journalist web site administrators are beginning to talk to each other about it, e-mail users are beginning to understand why their e-mail is being disrupted by it, major search engines appear to be complying with it, and the low to equal signal-to-noise ratio of legitimate e-mail and spam appears to be perpetuated by it. In this case, "it," is what privacy and computer experts have long warned about: massive censorship of the web on a nationwide and global scale. For many years, the web has been heavily censored in countries around the world. That censorship continues at this very moment. Now it is happening right here in America. The agreement by the Congress to extend an enhanced Patriot Act for another four years will permit the political enforcers of the Bush administration, who use law enforcement as their proxies, to further clamp censorship controls on the web. Internet Censorship: The Warning Signs Were Not Hidden The warning signs for the crackdown on the web have been with us for over a decade. The Clipper chip controversy of the 90s, John Poindexter's Total Information Awareness (TIA) system pushed in the aftermath of 9-11, backroom deals between the Federal government and the Internet service industry, and the Patriot Act have ushered in a new era of Internet censorship, something just half a decade ago computer programmers averred was impossible given the nature of the web. They were wrong, dead wrong. Take for example of what recently occurred when two journalists were taking on the phone about a story that appeared on Google News. The story was about a Christian fundamentalist move in Congress to use U.S. military force in Sudan to end genocide in Darfur. The story appeared on the English Google News site in Qatar. But the very same Google News site when accessed simultaneously in Washington, DC failed to show the article. This censorship is accomplished by geolocation filtering: the restriction or modifying of web content based on the geographical region of the user. In addition to countries, such filtering can now be implemented for states, cities, and even individual IP addresses. With reports in the Swedish newspaper Svensa Dagbladet today that the United States has transmitted a Homeland Security Department "no fly" list of 80,000 suspected terrorists to airport authorities around the world, it is not unreasonable that a "no [or restricted] surfing/emailing" list has been transmitted to Internet Service Providers around the world. The systematic disruptions of web sites and email strongly suggests that such a list exists. News reports on CIA prisoner flights and secret prisons are disappearing from Google and other search engines like Alltheweb as fast as they appear. Here now, gone tomorrow is the name of the game. Google is systematically failing to list and link to articles that contain explosive information about the Bush administration, the war in Iraq, Al Qaeda, and U.S. political scandals. But Google is not alone in working closely to stifle Internet discourse. America On Line, Microsoft, Yahoo and others are slowly turning the Internet into an information superhighway dominated by barricades, toll booths, off-ramps that lead to dead ends, choke points, and security checks. America On Line is the most egregious is stifling Internet freedom. A former AOL employee noted how AOL and other Internet Service Providers cooperate with the Bush administration in censoring email. The Patriot Act gave federal agencies the power to review information to the packet level and AOL was directed by agencies like the FBI to do more than sniff the subject line. The AOL term of service (TOS) has gradually been expanded to grant AOL virtually universal power regarding information. Many AOL users are likely unaware of the elastic clause, which says they will be bound by the current TOS and any TOS revisions which AOL may elect at any time in the future. Essentially, AOL users once agreed to allow the censorship and non-delivery of their email. Microsoft has similar requirements for Hotmail as do Yahoo and Google for their respective e-mail services. There are also many cases of Google's search engine failing to list and link to certain information. According to a number of web site administrators who carry anti-Bush political content, this situation has become more pronounced in the last month. In addition, many web site administrators are reporting a dramatic drop-off in hits to their sites, according to their web statistic analyzers. Adding to their woes is the frequency at which spam viruses are being spoofed as coming from their web site addresses. Government disruption of the political side of the web can easily be hidden amid hyped mainstream news media reports of the latest "boutique" viruses and worms, reports that have more to do with the sales of anti-virus software and services than actual long-term disruption of banks, utilities, or airlines. Internet Censorship in the US: No Longer a Prediction Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Cisco Systems have honed their skills at Internet censorship for years in places like China, Jordan, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, and other countries. They have learned well. They will be the last to admit they have imported their censorship skills into the United States at the behest of the Bush regime. Last year, the Bush-Cheney campaign blocked international access to its web site -- www.georgewbush.com -- for unspecified "security reasons." Only those in the Federal bureaucracy and the companies involved are in a position to know what deals have been made and how extensive Internet censorship has become. They owe full disclosure to their customers and their fellow citizens. _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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Toolkit for detecting ISP modifications to web pages
by Charles Reis 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi Dave-- There has recently been some discussion on both this list and the Net Neutrality Squad mailing list about ISPs modifying web traffic (e.g., the recent messages about Rogers modifying Google's home page). Related to this, I wanted to point you to a toolkit that a server could use to detect whether its pages are being modified in flight. The toolkit is available at the URL below: http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/security/web-tripwire.html The toolkit allows publishers to deploy "web tripwires" on their own web pages. Web tripwires are JavaScript code that can detect when a web page is modified in flight, so that the publisher is aware of the event and can notify the end user if appropriate. The URL above also has a brief summary of a measurement study that used a web tripwire to detect changes to a web page (http://vancouver.cs.washington.edu ). A message on your IP mailing list back in July helped draw users for the study. We'd be happy to get feedback on either the toolkit or the study results. Thanks! Charlie Reis ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[IP] Toolkit for detecting ISP modifications to web pages
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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[FoRK] Choking the Internet
by James Walker 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Choking the Internet: How much longer will your favorite sites be on line? By Wayne Madsen December 9, 2005 -- Internet censorship. It did not happen overnight but slowly came to America's shores from testing grounds in China and the Middle East. Progressive and investigative journalist web site administrators are beginning to talk to each other about it, e-mail users are beginning to understand why their e-mail is being disrupted by it, major search engines appear to be complying with it, and the low to equal signal-to-noise ratio of legitimate e-mail and spam appears to be perpetuated by it. In this case, "it," is what privacy and computer experts have long warned about: massive censorship of the web on a nationwide and global scale. For many years, the web has been heavily censored in countries around the world. That censorship continues at this very moment. Now it is happening right here in America. The agreement by the Congress to extend an enhanced Patriot Act for another four years will permit the political enforcers of the Bush administration, who use law enforcement as their proxies, to further clamp censorship controls on the web. Internet Censorship: The Warning Signs Were Not Hidden The warning signs for the crackdown on the web have been with us for over a decade. The Clipper chip controversy of the 90s, John Poindexter's Total Information Awareness (TIA) system pushed in the aftermath of 9-11, backroom deals between the Federal government and the Internet service industry, and the Patriot Act have ushered in a new era of Internet censorship, something just half a decade ago computer programmers averred was impossible given the nature of the web. They were wrong, dead wrong. Take for example of what recently occurred when two journalists were taking on the phone about a story that appeared on Google News. The story was about a Christian fundamentalist move in Congress to use U.S. military force in Sudan to end genocide in Darfur. The story appeared on the English Google News site in Qatar. But the very same Google News site when accessed simultaneously in Washington, DC failed to show the article. This censorship is accomplished by geolocation filtering: the restriction or modifying of web content based on the geographical region of the user. In addition to countries, such filtering can now be implemented for states, cities, and even individual IP addresses. With reports in the Swedish newspaper Svensa Dagbladet today that the United States has transmitted a Homeland Security Department "no fly" list of 80,000 suspected terrorists to airport authorities around the world, it is not unreasonable that a "no [or restricted] surfing/emailing" list has been transmitted to Internet Service Providers around the world. The systematic disruptions of web sites and email strongly suggests that such a list exists. News reports on CIA prisoner flights and secret prisons are disappearing from Google and other search engines like Alltheweb as fast as they appear. Here now, gone tomorrow is the name of the game. Google is systematically failing to list and link to articles that contain explosive information about the Bush administration, the war in Iraq, Al Qaeda, and U.S. political scandals. But Google is not alone in working closely to stifle Internet discourse. America On Line, Microsoft, Yahoo and others are slowly turning the Internet into an information superhighway dominated by barricades, toll booths, off-ramps that lead to dead ends, choke points, and security checks. America On Line is the most egregious is stifling Internet freedom. A former AOL employee noted how AOL and other Internet Service Providers cooperate with the Bush administration in censoring email. The Patriot Act gave federal agencies the power to review information to the packet level and AOL was directed by agencies like the FBI to do more than sniff the subject line. The AOL term of service (TOS) has gradually been expanded to grant AOL virtually universal power regarding information. Many AOL users are likely unaware of the elastic clause, which says they will be bound by the current TOS and any TOS revisions which AOL may elect at any time in the future. Essentially, AOL users once agreed to allow the censorship and non-delivery of their email. Microsoft has similar requirements for Hotmail as do Yahoo and Google for their respective e-mail services. There are also many cases of Google's search engine failing to list and link to certain information. According to a number of web site administrators who carry anti-Bush political content, this situation has become more pronounced in the last month. In addition, many web site administrators are reporting a dramatic drop-off in hits to their sites, according to their web statistic analyzers. Adding to their woes is the frequency at which spam viruses are being spoofed as coming from their web site addresses. Government disruption of the political side of the web can easily be hidden amid hyped mainstream news media reports of the latest "boutique" viruses and worms, reports that have more to do with the sales of anti-virus software and services than actual long-term disruption of banks, utilities, or airlines. Internet Censorship in the US: No Longer a Prediction Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Cisco Systems have honed their skills at Internet censorship for years in places like China, Jordan, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, and other countries. They have learned well. They will be the last to admit they have imported their censorship skills into the United States at the behest of the Bush regime. Last year, the Bush-Cheney campaign blocked international access to its web site -- www.georgewbush.com -- for unspecified "security reasons." Only those in the Federal bureaucracy and the companies involved are in a position to know what deals have been made and how extensive Internet censorship has become. They owe full disclosure to their customers and their fellow citizens. _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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Re: [p2p-hackers] Alpha testers needed
by Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Wow -- music sharing network with integrated Chaumian ecash (the "lucre" implementation thereof). I don't know what to think. Are you familiar with the history of Mojo Nation? Regards, Zooko _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [p2p-hackers] Alpha testers needed
by Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Wow -- music sharing network with integrated Chaumian ecash (the "lucre" implementation thereof). I don't know what to think. Are you familiar with the history of Mojo Nation? Regards, Zooko _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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