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RE: [IP] Police use cameras to track vehicles of suspects
by gailbracy 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

For what it's worth, I just finished a cross-country drive from San Diego to NC via I-40 and was quite curious about the other fixtures attached to the cell towers planted on nearly every mile of the Interstate. Creepier still, was the fact that I saw virtually no Highway Patrols through any of the states I crossed with the exceptions of Tennessee, and at a few construction sites. Gail Bracy -----Original Message----- From: owner-ip(a)v2.listbox.com [mailto:owner-ip@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of David Farber Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:49 AM To: Ip ip Subject: [IP] Police use cameras to track vehicles of suspects Begin forwarded message:

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[EPIC_IDOF] Police use cameras to track vehicles of suspects
by Bruce Schneier 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I've written about this in New Haven, CT: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/10/license_plate_g.html This new story is from Scotland. Bruce **************************** Police use cameras to track vehicles of suspects http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/43417.html LUCY ADAMS, Home Affairs Correspondent July 20 2005 POLICE have created a database of more than 6000 vehicles of suspects which they can track on special cameras as they move around the country. On major roads across Scotland, the cameras, which look similar to the speed ones, record thousands of licence plates every hour and scan them against the database. Those on the list are flagged up with the local force control room with details of the direction in which they are travelling. Depending on the intelligence held on the motorist, the vehicle could be stopped immediately by officers or monitored during its journey. Senior police say there are a "substantial number" of cameras across the country aimed at detecting drugs traffickers, sex offenders, suspected terrorists and banned or unlicensed drivers. Owners on the list are not told, and civil rights campaigners have raised concerns about whether the scheme is compatible with human rights legislation. However, officers say Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR), originally created for counter-terrorism, is a vital tool in collecting intelligence on criminals and suspected terrorists. Alan Burnett, spokesman on the system for the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, and assistant chief constable of Fife, said: "It is directed against detecting travelling housebreakers, potential terrorists, bogus callers and drug traffickers. This technology is very much geared towards disrupting criminals such as drug traffickers and it is not about prosecuting the motorist." He said it was nothing to do with speeding or Big Brother, adding that there were various lengths of time over which they could hold the information: "A stolen vehicle may be on the list for two days, but more serious intelligence may be kept on the list for up to 90 days." The Scottish Executive has spent ?1.5m on ANPR machines which can check up to 3000 licence plates an hour on vehicles travelling at speeds of up to 100mph. Forces are planning to connect this database to the Scottish Intelligence Database (SID) to allow every officer to be able to request that a vehicle of interest should be checked. It is managed by the Scottish Criminal Records Office where a sergeant is responsible for checking the information is held only for a certain time and that it is compliant with human rights legislation. John Scott, head of the Scottish Human Rights Centre, said he was concerned about the lack of judicial scrutiny. _______________________________________________ EPIC_IDOF mailing list EPIC_IDOF(a)mailman.epic.org https://mailman.epic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/epic_idof ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as gbi(a)actti.com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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[IP] more on Police use cameras to track vehicles of suspects
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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[liberationtech] Could the U.S. Government Start Reading Your Emails?
by Rebecca MacKinnon 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

http://news.discovery.com/tech/government-reading-emails-privacy-111203.html Could the U.S. Government Start Reading Your Emails? A new security research project is designed to scan millions of IMs, texts and emails every day. Sat Dec 3, 2011 12:34 PM ET | content provided by John Brandon, FoxNews.com/SciTech Cherie Anderson runs a travel company in southern California, and she's convinced the federal government is reading her emails. But she's all right with that. "I assume it's part of the Patriot Act and I really don't mind," she says. "I figure I'm probably boring them to death." It's likely Anderson is not alone in her concerns that the government may be monitoring what Americans say, write, and read. And now there may be even more to worry about: a newly revealed security research project called PRODIGAL -- the Proactive Discovery of Insider Threats Using Graph Analysis and Learning -- which has been built to scan IMs, texts and emails . . . and can read approximately a quarter billion of them a day. PHOTOS: 5 Ways to Protect Yourself Online "Every time someone logs on or off, sends an email or text, touches a file or plugs in a USB key, these records are collected within the organization," David Bader, a professor at the Georgia Tech School of Computational Science and Engineering and a principal investigator on the project, told FoxNews.com. PRODIGAL scans those records for behavior -- emails to unusual recipients, certain words cropping up, files transferred from unexpected servers -- that changes over time as an employee "goes rogue." The system was developed at Georgia Tech in conjunction with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the Army's secretive research arm that works on everything from flying cars to robotic exoskeletons. DNEWS VIDEO: IPHONE IN SPACE EXPLAINED Initially, PRODIGAL will scan only the communications of military volunteers and people who work in federal agencies. But the very existence of such a project is sure to unnerve citizens like Anderson. Is the government reading my emails? Are they already monitoring me? "Some people say it's one step further toward a police state," said Anthony Howard, a book author and security expert who has consulted for the Department of Homeland Security. But Bader and other experts are quick to dismiss the idea that PRODIGAL could be used to monitor everyone in America. The scans work only on internal systems, they say -- not across the entire Internet. And the experts say such a project is long overdue: by monitoring for "anomalies" and predicting extreme behavior, catastrophes can be prevented, such as a soldier in good mental health becoming homicidal or a government employee sharing key classified information. ANALYSIS: Is the Internet Destroying Privacy? "Today, an analyst may receive tens of thousands of 'anomalies' per day, where an anomaly is an unexplained event," Bader said. The new system is designed to aid analysts in processing those anomalies. And it's not alone. Bader equated the PRODIGAL system to Raytheon SureView, an internal scanning system that looks for suspicious activity and alerts federal agencies about possible threats. Another system is the Einstein project, which was developed after 9/11 and scans government employees for key words and links suspicious activity to National Security Agency databases. But PRODIGAL scans vastly more data than those systems: as much as a terabyte or more per day, what Georgia Tech described as "massive data sets." PRODIGAL is part of an existing DARPA security project called Anomaly Detection at Multiple Scales (ADAMS), which was announced earlier this year. Details about how ADAMS works are not widely known; Georgia Tech's recent announcement is one of the first reports to explain how these detection engines work. According to Bader, PRODIGAL uses complex "graph-processing" algorithms to analyze threats and piece together a jigsaw puzzle of communications. The system then ranks the unusual activity before feeding the most suspicious threats to agents. Cyber-security expert Joseph Steinberg, CEO of Green Armor Solutions, said ADAMS is unique in that it scans through a massive stream of data. He says the new project, which will take about two years to develop and will cost $9 million, will be more effective at analyzing threats and determining if they are valid. But the issue is not the scanning technology itself; it's how the information is interpreted -- and whether it ultimately helps at all, Howard told FoxNews.com. "Since there is no real data publicly available to substantiate that any of this technology is preventing terrorist attacks or strengthening our borders from within, [we can't] really say definitively that this technology is doing any good," he said. The challenge, he said, is that criminals and terrorists often use multiple channels of communication, some encrypted -- and know how to avoid existing detection systems. Nevertheless, PRODIGAL's ability to scan reams of data is clearly the next step in tracking unusual activity, and it's guaranteed to raise a red flag for Anderson and others. "Since people tend to be imperfect, the data captured can easily be mishandled. Where does it end?" Howard said. -- Rebecca MacKinnon Schwartz Senior Fellow, New America Foundation Cofounder: GlobalVoicesOnline.org Author: ConsentoftheNetworked.com Cell: +1-617-939-3493 Twitter: @rmack _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. 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Re: [p2p-research] Drone hacking
by Andy Robinson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Anyone wanting to know what he's on about without the exaggerations and technical-speak: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/business/30privacy.html?_r=3&em=&pagewant… http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc20080323_387127.htm Rough appearance from these more sober accounts: it has some dangerous implications for privacy, and its advocates are pretty blase about overriding privacy concerns for supposed general goods, but it does not allow intelligent manipulation at an individual level. It allows discerning of trends, certain amounts of individualised tracking, and that's about it. It does have network/p2p versions as well as centralised versions. It is also highly dependent on the cooperation or unawareness of people in their uses of the particular technologies on which it depends. (It is not much use in low-tech settings or in conflictual settings against determined adversaries). There are thus a range of different scenarios. One being that, due to consumer concerns or judicial pressure, technologies be modified to avoid their use in this way. A second, that their capabilities for individual tracking are technologically limited or prohibited, but they keep being used for measuring mass trends. Still another being that the population be divided between those who make routine use of these technologies and those who either do not use them or strategically limit their use. Fourth, that they move in networked directions, with the data being fed through horizontal applications as well as vertical ones, in effect levelling the playing-field. Fifth, ad hoc counter-measures are developed to recreate privacy when needed, similar to the measures which already exist to get around online monitoring and attempts to identify filesharers. Or sixth, an Orwellian scenario, which would have to be imposed by force (such as implanting everyone with a VeriChip at birth and locking up anyone caught deactivating or scrambling it). Really not all it's cracked up to be I would say from this. _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [p2p-research] Drone hacking
by Andy Robinson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Anyone wanting to know what he's on about without the exaggerations and technical-speak: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/business/30privacy.html?_r=3&em=&pagewant… http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2008/tc20080323_387127.htm Rough appearance from these more sober accounts: it has some dangerous implications for privacy, and its advocates are pretty blase about overriding privacy concerns for supposed general goods, but it does not allow intelligent manipulation at an individual level. It allows discerning of trends, certain amounts of individualised tracking, and that's about it. It does have network/p2p versions as well as centralised versions. It is also highly dependent on the cooperation or unawareness of people in their uses of the particular technologies on which it depends. (It is not much use in low-tech settings or in conflictual settings against determined adversaries). There are thus a range of different scenarios. One being that, due to consumer concerns or judicial pressure, technologies be modified to avoid their use in this way. A second, that their capabilities for individual tracking are technologically limited or prohibited, but they keep being used for measuring mass trends. Still another being that the population be divided between those who make routine use of these technologies and those who either do not use them or strategically limit their use. Fourth, that they move in networked directions, with the data being fed through horizontal applications as well as vertical ones, in effect levelling the playing-field. Fifth, ad hoc counter-measures are developed to recreate privacy when needed, similar to the measures which already exist to get around online monitoring and attempts to identify filesharers. Or sixth, an Orwellian scenario, which would have to be imposed by force (such as implanting everyone with a VeriChip at birth and locking up anyone caught deactivating or scrambling it). Really not all it's cracked up to be I would say from this. _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?
by T N 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The word "Linux" doesn't refer to anything, other than maybe the kernel. Chrome OS is linux. But it's a massively stripped down "distribution" that has a radical design, including the fact that it will ONLY run if all of the cryptographic checks are verified from the root of trust. That root of trust is Google's massively large PKI public key that is burned into the firmware. For a journalist in the field, that's a great reassurance. Take your Chromebook to China. The Chinese government can not alter what you are running without either (a) modifying your hardware, which means they take possession of it for a period of time and manage to do something that is tricky to do (i.e. circumstances under which you'd no longer trust your computer anyways) or (b) you will know they tried to hack it and your Chromebook will refuse to boot, and will instead wipe away the hacks and update itself and won't boot unless the update is a legitimate one signed by Google. Yes, you can't compare Chrome OS's attack surface to a typical linux distribution, or even a highly customized linux install which doesn't have the hardware root of trust. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.cc> wrote: > The biggest (and very important) difference between Linux and Chromebooks > is the hugely smaller attack surface. > > > NK > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Brian Conley <brianc(a)smallworldnews.tv>wrote: > >> Andreas, >> >> Plenty of Syrians do have internet access, and use it on a regular basis. >> >> Also, lack of appropriateness for one use-case doesn't necessitate lack >> of appropriateness across the board. >> >> Linux is a great solution for many use cases, but as has been elaborated, >> quite a terrible one for many others. >> >> Brian >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Andreas Bader <noergelpizza(a)hotmail.de>wrote: >> >>> On 02/06/2013 04:24 PM, Tom Ritter wrote: >>> > Nadim, I'm with you. I'm not sure it's the perfect solution for >>> > everyone, but like Nathan said, if you already trust Google, I think >>> > it's a good option. >>> > >>> > On 6 February 2013 07:12, Andreas Bader <noergelpizza(a)hotmail.de> >>> wrote: >>> >> Why don't you use an old thinkpad or something with Linux, you have >>> the >>> >> same price like a Chromebook but more control over the system. And you >>> >> don't depend on the 3G and Wifi net. >>> > We started with the notion of Linux, and we were attracted to >>> > Chromebooks for a bunch of reasons. Going back to Linux loses all the >>> > things we were attracted to. >>> > >>> > - ChromeOS's attack surface is infinitely smaller than with Linux >>> > - The architecture of ChromeOS is different from Linux - process >>> > separation through SOP, as opposed to no process separation at all >>> > - ChromeOS was *designed* to have you logout, and hand the device over >>> > to someone else to login, and get no access to your stuff. Extreme >>> > Hardware attacks aside, it works pretty well. >>> > - ChromeOS's update mechanism is automatic, transparent, and basically >>> > foolproof. Having bricked Ubuntu and Gentoo systems, the same is not >>> > true of Linux. >>> > - Verified Boot, automatic FDE, tamper-resistant hardware >>> > >>> > Something I'm curious about is, if any less-popular device became >>> > popular amoung the activist community - would the government view is >>> > as an indicator of interest? Just like they block Tor, would they >>> > block Chromebooks? It'd have to get pretty darn popular first though. >>> > >>> > -tom >>> > -- >>> > >>> But you can't use it for political activists e.g. in Syria because of >>> its dependence on the internet connection. This fact is authoritative. >>> For Europe and USA and so on it might be a good solution. >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Brian Conley >> >> Director, Small World News >> >> http://smallworldnews.tv >> >> m: 646.285.2046 >> >> Skype: brianjoelconley >> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [liberationtech] decentralized DNS...
by Robert Guerra 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Another option is to use a hosting service, a registry and registrar that are in a jurisdiction that is out of reach of US authorities.. here's a recent post from Byron Holland, the CEO of CIRA (the top level country code domain for Canada- .ca) http://blog.cira.ca/2012/03/domain-name-seizures-and-ca/ Posted by: Byron Holland Domain name seizures have been top-of-mind for many people lately. It was one of the topics identified at the Canadian Internet Forum, and the high profile seizure by the U.S. government of the Canadian online gambling site bodog.com has been getting a lot ofmedia attention. This also isnbt the first time the U.S. government has seized domain names based on billegalb activity. In 2010, a number of .COM, .NET and .ORG domains were seized, and a country code top-level domain (ccTLD) operated by VeriSign in California, .TV, wasseized as well. In 2011, another 150 were seized. For the most part, the Internet does not recognize national borders. Internet traffic is routed all over the globe, and itbs possible to register a domain using a wide variety of domain name extensions. Herebs the thing b the stuff to the right of the dot matters: note that bodog.ca still resolves. If you register a domain name with an extension that is managed in another country, it is likely subject to the laws of that country b full stop. If a website is found to be in violation of American law, and the domain for that site is an extension managed by a U.S. entity, the U.S. government may seize it. If you keep your business in another country (in the case of Canada, register a .CA with a Canadian Registrar and use a Canadian web host), foreign governments canbt unilaterally seize it. CIRA has never been asked by a foreign government to shut down or seize a domain name. The DNS root zone does fall under American jurisdiction with ICANN (through IANA) as the operator. However, ICANN has explicitly stated in a blog post that they do b not take down domain namesb and that they b have no technical or legal authority to do that.b The fact is ICANN couldnbt cherry-pick domains even if it wanted to. If the U.S. government decided that they wanted to shut down a .CA website, and tried to do it through ICANN, they would have to shut down all of .CA in the root zone. This would involve cutting off every single .CA website and email address from the Internet, and theybre not going to do that for a number of reasons (not the least of which is the fact that shutting down the entire .CA domain space and everything in it would be a major international incident). The global economy would freeze if the U.S. government took such an action. The underpinnings of the Internet would be completely undermined. Think about this: the U.S. government hasnbt even shut down the Internet in nations theybve been at war or have very strained relations with b Iraq, Libya, Iran are just a few examples b because the trust that supports the Internet is fundamental to the economic and social well-being of humanity. Given that, why would they shut down an entire top level domain over a single website? The Internet has brought us incredible benefits, many due to the fact that it breaks down national and geographic borders. However, because of the very nature of the Internet b the fact that it is bvirtualb and bin the cloudb b most of us donbt tend to think of it being governed by the laws of a particular nation. But as the bodog.com case demonstrates, it is critically important to be aware of which jurisdiction your digital assets are in, and therefore what laws they may be subject to. _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [tahoe-dev] Resurrecting Mojo Nation
by James A. Donald 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 2012-06-14 6:15 AM, Brian Warner wrote: > The "entire world as one community" case is what we call > the "one grid to rule them all". There are a lot of > engineering/scaling challenges to it (you need log(N) DHTs, > supernodes), in addition to features needed by a > mass-market product if you want that kind of scale (NAT > handling, bandwidth limiting, automatic update, nice UI, > easy installation, etc, etc). On 2012-06-14 6:26 AM, Brian Warner wrote: > Oh, one other thought: another challenge of Mojo Nation was > that each file involved hundreds or thousands of backend > blocks, and the overhead of finding/tracking/downloading > all of them was pretty bad. If I remember right, the blocks > came in fixed sizes (powers of two, up to maybe 1MB), and > each included a little bit of data about all segments of > the file (to avoid the "chunking" reliability problem). The > result was high alacrity (you had to download the whole > file before any part of it became readable, so no > streaming) and really bad disk IO patterns on both upload > and download. This challenge, and its solution, (DHT, host discovery) corresponds to a bittorrent magnet link, and the software that makes such links work. This may well be the most widely used form of file sharing, so the way to go is likely some kind of superset of this existing solution, if we think of the task to solved as file sharing. _______________________________________________ tahoe-dev mailing list tahoe-dev(a)tahoe-lafs.org https://tahoe-lafs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tahoe-dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [liberationtech] decentralized DNS...
by Robert Guerra 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Another option is to use a hosting service, a registry and registrar that are in a jurisdiction that is out of reach of US authorities.. here's a recent post from Byron Holland, the CEO of CIRA (the top level country code domain for Canada- .ca) http://blog.cira.ca/2012/03/domain-name-seizures-and-ca/ Posted by: Byron Holland Domain name seizures have been top-of-mind for many people lately. It was one of the topics identified at the Canadian Internet Forum, and the high profile seizure by the U.S. government of the Canadian online gambling site bodog.com has been getting a lot ofmedia attention. This also isnbt the first time the U.S. government has seized domain names based on billegalb activity. In 2010, a number of .COM, .NET and .ORG domains were seized, and a country code top-level domain (ccTLD) operated by VeriSign in California, .TV, wasseized as well. In 2011, another 150 were seized. For the most part, the Internet does not recognize national borders. Internet traffic is routed all over the globe, and itbs possible to register a domain using a wide variety of domain name extensions. Herebs the thing b the stuff to the right of the dot matters: note that bodog.ca still resolves. If you register a domain name with an extension that is managed in another country, it is likely subject to the laws of that country b full stop. If a website is found to be in violation of American law, and the domain for that site is an extension managed by a U.S. entity, the U.S. government may seize it. If you keep your business in another country (in the case of Canada, register a .CA with a Canadian Registrar and use a Canadian web host), foreign governments canbt unilaterally seize it. CIRA has never been asked by a foreign government to shut down or seize a domain name. The DNS root zone does fall under American jurisdiction with ICANN (through IANA) as the operator. However, ICANN has explicitly stated in a blog post that they do b not take down domain namesb and that they b have no technical or legal authority to do that.b The fact is ICANN couldnbt cherry-pick domains even if it wanted to. If the U.S. government decided that they wanted to shut down a .CA website, and tried to do it through ICANN, they would have to shut down all of .CA in the root zone. This would involve cutting off every single .CA website and email address from the Internet, and theybre not going to do that for a number of reasons (not the least of which is the fact that shutting down the entire .CA domain space and everything in it would be a major international incident). The global economy would freeze if the U.S. government took such an action. The underpinnings of the Internet would be completely undermined. Think about this: the U.S. government hasnbt even shut down the Internet in nations theybve been at war or have very strained relations with b Iraq, Libya, Iran are just a few examples b because the trust that supports the Internet is fundamental to the economic and social well-being of humanity. Given that, why would they shut down an entire top level domain over a single website? The Internet has brought us incredible benefits, many due to the fact that it breaks down national and geographic borders. However, because of the very nature of the Internet b the fact that it is bvirtualb and bin the cloudb b most of us donbt tend to think of it being governed by the laws of a particular nation. But as the bodog.com case demonstrates, it is critically important to be aware of which jurisdiction your digital assets are in, and therefore what laws they may be subject to. _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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