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mail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk=
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18459"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s=
eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
02_18459"><span> Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none=
"> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525y=
qt8385359817" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqt05665"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_18470" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu=
e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D=
"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18469" style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
18468"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br clear=3D"none"> <font id=3D"yiv51=
82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper =
on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
-weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17=
</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span> &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
) as well as by R. Sukumaran <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi=
s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040=
4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s=
trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket=
_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana=
rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt=
ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi=
sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten=
t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun=
d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6738"><br clear=3D"none"></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428=
25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic=
a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106=
525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> =
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div =
class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829=
"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq=
t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5198" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4964" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
@cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se=
ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari=
juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a r=
el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =
I've found a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini=
tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs=
p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhap=
s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=
imilar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
>
>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
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Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s=
eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
02_18459"><span> Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none=
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an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
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82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
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_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
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5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span> &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
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pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
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9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
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:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
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_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es=
say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=
ut in January).</div>
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari=
juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a r=
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=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =
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25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini=
tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs=
p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhap=
s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=
imilar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
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>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
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Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
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82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper =
on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
-weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17=
</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span> &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
) as well as by R. Sukumaran <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi=
s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040=
4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s=
trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket=
_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana=
rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt=
ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi=
sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten=
t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun=
d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
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25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic=
a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106=
525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Hel=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div =
class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829=
"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq=
t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5198" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4964" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
@cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se=
ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</di=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4969"><br clear=3D"none"=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your=
original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es=
say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=
ut in January).</div>
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<font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3908" size=3D"2" face=
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06525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3519" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span=
></b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e=
du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</=
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href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nof=
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" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari=
juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a r=
el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =
I've found a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini=
tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs=
p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhap=
s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=
imilar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
>
>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
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yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18459"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s=
eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
02_18459"><span> Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none=
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qt8385359817" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqt05665"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_18470" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu=
e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D=
"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18469" style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s=
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18468"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br clear=3D"none"> <font id=3D"yiv51=
82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper =
on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
-weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17=
</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span> &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
) as well as by R. Sukumaran <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi=
s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040=
4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s=
trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket=
_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle=
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09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu=
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=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana=
rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt=
ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi=
sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div=
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5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten=
t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun=
d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"=
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=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
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25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic=
a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106=
525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Hel=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div =
class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829=
"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq=
t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5198" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4964" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
@cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se=
ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari=
juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a r=
el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =
I've found a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini=
tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs=
p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhap=
s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=
imilar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
>
>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
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Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s=
eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
02_18459"><span> Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none=
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an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
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82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
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_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
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5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span> &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
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d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"=
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502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><=
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9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
@cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se=
ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es=
say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=
ut in January).</div>
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edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari=
juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a r=
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25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini=
tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs=
p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhap=
s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=
imilar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
>
>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
ignoragce is welcome.
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