July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: NRA Prints HALF Of The Story (Barniskis)?
by Neal Lang 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Date sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:26 -0400 > Hi, Angel, > > If I get real ambitious and write the definitive expose' on why > "Project Exile" is the best thing for the "right to keep and bear > arms" since the discovery of smokeless powder, would you have the > "good sense" publish same on your site? > > Keep the Faith, > > Neal Sure. If you don't mind publishing your eddress so I don't have to invest hours on end listening to people shotgun your false assumptions, oversights and miscalcualtions. :-) Knock yourself out. Stick it here: https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp Better yet, and much preferred, be the first to challenge exact excerpts from the Project Exile Condemnation Coalition's statement -- so you can heal us poor, misguided fools of our afflictions: http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/exile2 Shamaya Smartaleck

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RE: NRA Prints HALF Of The Story (Barniskis)?
by Neal Lang 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Date sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:26 -0400 > Hi, Angel, > > If I get real ambitious and write the definitive expose' on why > "Project Exile" is the best thing for the "right to keep and bear > arms" since the discovery of smokeless powder, would you have the > "good sense" publish same on your site? > > Keep the Faith, > > Neal Sure. If you don't mind publishing your eddress so I don't have to invest hours on end listening to people shotgun your false assumptions, oversights and miscalcualtions. :-) Knock yourself out. Stick it here: https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp Better yet, and much preferred, be the first to challenge exact excerpts from the Project Exile Condemnation Coalition's statement -- so you can heal us poor, misguided fools of our afflictions: http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/exile2 Shamaya Smartaleck

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RE: NRA Prints HALF Of The Story (Barniskis)?
by Neal Lang 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Date sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:26 -0400 > Hi, Angel, > > If I get real ambitious and write the definitive expose' on why > "Project Exile" is the best thing for the "right to keep and bear > arms" since the discovery of smokeless powder, would you have the > "good sense" publish same on your site? > > Keep the Faith, > > Neal Sure. If you don't mind publishing your eddress so I don't have to invest hours on end listening to people shotgun your false assumptions, oversights and miscalcualtions. :-) Knock yourself out. Stick it here: https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp Better yet, and much preferred, be the first to challenge exact excerpts from the Project Exile Condemnation Coalition's statement -- so you can heal us poor, misguided fools of our afflictions: http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/exile2 Shamaya Smartaleck

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RE: NRA Prints HALF Of The Story (Barniskis)?
by Neal Lang 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Date sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:26 -0400 > Hi, Angel, > > If I get real ambitious and write the definitive expose' on why > "Project Exile" is the best thing for the "right to keep and bear > arms" since the discovery of smokeless powder, would you have the > "good sense" publish same on your site? > > Keep the Faith, > > Neal Sure. If you don't mind publishing your eddress so I don't have to invest hours on end listening to people shotgun your false assumptions, oversights and miscalcualtions. :-) Knock yourself out. Stick it here: https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp Better yet, and much preferred, be the first to challenge exact excerpts from the Project Exile Condemnation Coalition's statement -- so you can heal us poor, misguided fools of our afflictions: http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/exile2 Shamaya Smartaleck

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Re: No data retention in germany for donated services
by Karsten N. 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Seth David Schoen schrieb: > NO DATA RETENTION FOR FREE-OF-CHARGE SERVICES > > Original German text of this article "Keine Vorratsdatenspeicherung f|r > unentgeltliche Dienste" is available at > > http://www.daten-speicherung.de/index.php/keine-vorratsdatenspeicherung-fue… > > Copyright 2008 Patrick Breyer; licensed under Creative Commons BY-2.0 > (Germany) license. > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/de/ > > Translation by Seth Schoen. This text version omits hyperlinks to the > German text of laws, treaties, and court decisions which appear in-line > in the original German version. The article by Patrick Breyer and the translation by Seth Schoen gives the information about one main reason, why Tor nodes are not affected by the EU data retention an the German data retention law '113a TKG. Supported by qualified lawyers, we have identified one or two more points, why tor nodes has to be data retention free, but these points are technical and more difficult to communicate with the judiciary. So we ask the tor community, to keep tor non-commercial at all. If a commercial version of tor was online, it will be much more difficult in the next time, to fight against data retention in EU. Yes, it is possible, to make a data retention law for donated services in EU too. But this will takes time. We can use this time, to make tor more robust against this attack. We will keep the German tor admins and the board of torproject.org up-to-date about the lawyers expert opinion but with respect to the recommendation of the lawyers, we will not publish it at the moment. Regards Karsten N. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: No data retention in germany for donated services
by Karsten N. 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Seth David Schoen schrieb: > NO DATA RETENTION FOR FREE-OF-CHARGE SERVICES > > Original German text of this article "Keine Vorratsdatenspeicherung f|r > unentgeltliche Dienste" is available at > > http://www.daten-speicherung.de/index.php/keine-vorratsdatenspeicherung-fue… > > Copyright 2008 Patrick Breyer; licensed under Creative Commons BY-2.0 > (Germany) license. > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/de/ > > Translation by Seth Schoen. This text version omits hyperlinks to the > German text of laws, treaties, and court decisions which appear in-line > in the original German version. The article by Patrick Breyer and the translation by Seth Schoen gives the information about one main reason, why Tor nodes are not affected by the EU data retention an the German data retention law '113a TKG. Supported by qualified lawyers, we have identified one or two more points, why tor nodes has to be data retention free, but these points are technical and more difficult to communicate with the judiciary. So we ask the tor community, to keep tor non-commercial at all. If a commercial version of tor was online, it will be much more difficult in the next time, to fight against data retention in EU. Yes, it is possible, to make a data retention law for donated services in EU too. But this will takes time. We can use this time, to make tor more robust against this attack. We will keep the German tor admins and the board of torproject.org up-to-date about the lawyers expert opinion but with respect to the recommendation of the lawyers, we will not publish it at the moment. Regards Karsten N. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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RE: NRA Prints HALF Of The Story (Barniskis)?
by Neal Lang 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Date sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:26 -0400 > Hi, Angel, > > If I get real ambitious and write the definitive expose' on why > "Project Exile" is the best thing for the "right to keep and bear > arms" since the discovery of smokeless powder, would you have the > "good sense" publish same on your site? > > Keep the Faith, > > Neal Sure. If you don't mind publishing your eddress so I don't have to invest hours on end listening to people shotgun your false assumptions, oversights and miscalcualtions. :-) Knock yourself out. Stick it here: https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp Better yet, and much preferred, be the first to challenge exact excerpts from the Project Exile Condemnation Coalition's statement -- so you can heal us poor, misguided fools of our afflictions: http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/exile2 Shamaya Smartaleck

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[liberationtech] Namecoin: secure, anti-censorship naming system based on bitcoin
by Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi all, i encountered such a project called Namecoin: http://dot-bit.org/Main_Page Namecoin <http://dot-bit.org/Namecoin> is a peer-to-peer *generic* name/value datastore system based on Bitcoin <http://www.bitcoin.org/> technology (a decentralized cryptocurrency). It allows you to: * Securely register and transfer arbitrary names, *no possible censorship!* * Attach values to the names (up to 1023 bytes) * Trade and transact namecoins, the digital currency *NMC*. There's also a proposal to use NameCoin for naming system for Tor http://dot-bit.org/Namespace:Tor . I am wondering if this system has been already seriously considered as a resilient human readable crypto naming system for other crypto and anti censorship projects, as it seems quite promising but i didn't get deeper technically. Any opinion? Fabio -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [ZS] Re: Bitcoin, Empire of void*
by Jacob Schultz 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My request comes from the fact that, as far as I know, you cannot use a QR code to pay POS at an establishment, say at like 7/11. People easily become more well antiquated with quick POS payment methods. I.E. (not in chronological order) Charlie cards in boston, the upcoming paypass enabled NYC subway turnstiles (they completed a trial a little while back), the mobil speedpass which has been around for years (https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx) and then most recently NFC enabled payment terminals popping up everywhere in the US. Anyone can apply for an NFC (really RFID, but same tapping concept...) enabled credit/debit cards easily now: http://www.paypass.com/, http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/card_technology/paywave.html, https://www295.americanexpress.com/cards/loyalty.do?page=expresspay, https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/account/zip/. I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me NFC is uncommon functionality. Three to four of Sprint's cellphone are now NFC enabled; I'm sure other carriers are simultaneously following suit. Familiarity with tapping to pay will reach the masses through mobile phones, if it hasn't already through the card companies ... On Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:30:01 PM UTC-4, The Doctor [412/724/301/703] wrote: > > I am uncertain about what you mean by NFC phones. At first scratch it > sounds like an uncommon functionality in the United States. What I can say > is that people generate and use QR codes right now. They recognize and > make use of them and have for a while. What I suggest is that we make use > of what is being used right now. > > --- > The Doctor [412/724/301/703] > Web: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ > Sent from a Global Frequency satphone. > On Jun 29, 2012 10:57 PM, "Jacob Schultz" <jake(a)aol.jp> wrote: > >> You're right, I spoke too generally. People are familiar in some way with >> QR codes, they've overtaken the NYC subway for example...fair enough. >> >> I don't mean to really get down to brass tacks, but "generating a QR >> code" is exactly the problem I'm trying to combat. You have to open an app >> (the duration of this action is variable depending on the hardware and >> software involved) and then push a button to generate the code. Then you >> have to line up the receiving camera to the code! I'm not sure this system >> actually takes 1-2 seconds. Yes, you could put a shortcut on the home >> screen but, seriously, who wants more home screen clutter? - don't take >> this notion as the keystone of my argument though: the true argument is >> about aesthetics. >> >> The NFC chip instantly recognizes its proximity with another. I think one >> would find it difficult to argue that the QR code is a more attractive >> payment solution. I maintain that we're looking for elegance here: I hope >> I'm not speaking too generally again, but I think the bitcoin is still >> understood by many to be some kind of hacker-demon-currency, no? I want to >> create a paradigm change through ease of use. >> >> I feel like your attitude is not just your own, but is shared by many, >> and I believe it will hinder ubiquitous adoption...where are my bitcoin NFC >> interface developers? >> >> much love, >> >> Jake >> >> >> On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:10:30 PM UTC-4, The Doctor [412/724/301/703] >> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jacob Schultz <jake(a)aol.jp> wrote: >>> >>> They only take a second or two to generate. It takes long than that >>> to send a text message over here. >>> >>> > In addition, I'm pretty sure the average user in the United States >>> doesn't >>> > know what a QR code is. I'm asking for an NFC solution because it >>> provides >>> >>> The average user in the States knows what a QR code is. They're all >>> over the place. On buses. In magazines. They encode nutritional >>> information on menus in restaurants for the Weight Watchers mobile >>> app. On street signs. On packaging. There is even QR code graffiti >>> stencilled on walls and on stickers. >>> >>> > the necessary incentive for popular adoption - NFC is what people are >>> going >>> > to become used to for mobile payments, not QR codes. >>> >>> Let's see what happens. >>> >>> -- >>> The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] >>> https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ >>> "I am everywhere." >>> >> -- >> Zero State mailing list: >> http://groups.google.com/group/DoctrineZero >> > -- -- Zero State mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/DoctrineZero ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [ZS] Re: Bitcoin, Empire of void*
by Jacob Schultz 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My request comes from the fact that, as far as I know, you cannot use a QR code to pay POS at an establishment, say at like 7/11. People easily become more well antiquated with quick POS payment methods. I.E. (not in chronological order) Charlie cards in boston, the upcoming paypass enabled NYC subway turnstiles (they completed a trial a little while back), the mobil speedpass which has been around for years (https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx) and then most recently NFC enabled payment terminals popping up everywhere in the US. Anyone can apply for an NFC (really RFID, but same tapping concept...) enabled credit/debit cards easily now: http://www.paypass.com/, http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/card_technology/paywave.html, https://www295.americanexpress.com/cards/loyalty.do?page=expresspay, https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/account/zip/. I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me NFC is uncommon functionality. Three to four of Sprint's cellphone are now NFC enabled; I'm sure other carriers are simultaneously following suit. Familiarity with tapping to pay will reach the masses through mobile phones, if it hasn't already through the card companies ... On Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:30:01 PM UTC-4, The Doctor [412/724/301/703] wrote: > > I am uncertain about what you mean by NFC phones. At first scratch it > sounds like an uncommon functionality in the United States. What I can say > is that people generate and use QR codes right now. They recognize and > make use of them and have for a while. What I suggest is that we make use > of what is being used right now. > > --- > The Doctor [412/724/301/703] > Web: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ > Sent from a Global Frequency satphone. > On Jun 29, 2012 10:57 PM, "Jacob Schultz" <jake(a)aol.jp> wrote: > >> You're right, I spoke too generally. People are familiar in some way with >> QR codes, they've overtaken the NYC subway for example...fair enough. >> >> I don't mean to really get down to brass tacks, but "generating a QR >> code" is exactly the problem I'm trying to combat. You have to open an app >> (the duration of this action is variable depending on the hardware and >> software involved) and then push a button to generate the code. Then you >> have to line up the receiving camera to the code! I'm not sure this system >> actually takes 1-2 seconds. Yes, you could put a shortcut on the home >> screen but, seriously, who wants more home screen clutter? - don't take >> this notion as the keystone of my argument though: the true argument is >> about aesthetics. >> >> The NFC chip instantly recognizes its proximity with another. I think one >> would find it difficult to argue that the QR code is a more attractive >> payment solution. I maintain that we're looking for elegance here: I hope >> I'm not speaking too generally again, but I think the bitcoin is still >> understood by many to be some kind of hacker-demon-currency, no? I want to >> create a paradigm change through ease of use. >> >> I feel like your attitude is not just your own, but is shared by many, >> and I believe it will hinder ubiquitous adoption...where are my bitcoin NFC >> interface developers? >> >> much love, >> >> Jake >> >> >> On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:10:30 PM UTC-4, The Doctor [412/724/301/703] >> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jacob Schultz <jake(a)aol.jp> wrote: >>> >>> They only take a second or two to generate. It takes long than that >>> to send a text message over here. >>> >>> > In addition, I'm pretty sure the average user in the United States >>> doesn't >>> > know what a QR code is. I'm asking for an NFC solution because it >>> provides >>> >>> The average user in the States knows what a QR code is. They're all >>> over the place. On buses. In magazines. They encode nutritional >>> information on menus in restaurants for the Weight Watchers mobile >>> app. On street signs. On packaging. There is even QR code graffiti >>> stencilled on walls and on stickers. >>> >>> > the necessary incentive for popular adoption - NFC is what people are >>> going >>> > to become used to for mobile payments, not QR codes. >>> >>> Let's see what happens. >>> >>> -- >>> The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] >>> https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ >>> "I am everywhere." >>> >> -- >> Zero State mailing list: >> http://groups.google.com/group/DoctrineZero >> > -- -- Zero State mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/DoctrineZero ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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