July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

[s-t] File sharing vs Bandwidth sharing
by Spastic Mutant 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The RIAA dropped its lawsuit against the sculptor who had a Mac and couldn't possibly have used Kazaa to download songs. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/09/24/tech.lawsuit.ap/index.html So then I started thinkin'... But what if, say, I had a wireless access point on my cable or DSL modem setup and allowed friends and neighbors (maybe even warchalker strangers) to use it for whatever they chose? I certainly can't stop them from downloading music, I'm just allowing them to use my link. If I never downloaded songs or even had a host capable of running Kazaa, like this person, am I still off the hook? And if I'm responsible for that, wouldn't that make my ISP responsible too? I'm doing what they are doing, I'm just not taking names - I don't track who uses my WAP. Even if I just keep a list of wireless MAC addresses, that still doesn't really translate into anything of use to a prosecutor. If an open WAP means that the owner is subject to major criminal prosecution based on the behavior of the other people using it, then is there now an implicit requirement that all WAPs be secured, like a car or a gun? What are the legal responsibilities of a wireless access point owner/provider, and are people who own WAPs aware of them? If I implement the security protocols and someone breaks into my supposedly secure wireless network anyway, and is able to access bandwidth, am I still responsible for their downloads even if I implemented the standard precautions? Or is it like a swimming pool, an "attractive nuisance", for which the swimming pool owner is responsible for the drowning of neighborhood children even though he puts a six foot fence around it? Anne Marie -- When the poor steal from the middle class, it's called robbery. When the middle class steal from the rich, it's called embezzlement. When the rich steal from the poor, it's called Business. --Anne Marie Merritt, Nov 2, 1996 ----- End forwarded message ----- [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: [p2p-research] Autonet - an autonomous internet - call for participation
by Paul D. Fernhout 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

magius wrote: >Autonet is a project to create a wireless, global internet that can >provide more reliability than corporate phone companies by being >community based and freely licensed. > >Autonet is a project to create a wireless, global internet that can >provide more reliability than corporate phone companies by being >community based and freely licensed. > >The cutting off access to The Pirate Bay by BT in the UK ( >http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/251609/bt-blocks-off-pirate-bay.html ) is >just another sign of the beginning of the end. The fact that the Great >Firewall of China exists signals that the internet is already obsolete >and that the Great Firewall of the US is just around the corner. While >moves against net neutrality began years ago and have been fought, >nasty laws such as HR4437 and the Total Information Awareness program >have a way of coming into existence later in the future, slightly >modified, under different names. The internet as we know it, as a >place for free exchange of information, as the center of what has been >called a second 17th century with new ideas, creativity and innovation >emerging daily, is rapidly coming to an end. We must use these last >gasps of freedom to route around the disaster and create a truly free >network. Just to echo this theme, freedom-of-speech, use it or lose it, something I wrote back in 2000, envisioning something like the OLPC, as a US$100 computer inspired by the Cybiko toy (fixed a few typos): "[unrev-II] The DKR hardware I'd like to make..." http://www.dougengelbart.org/colloquium/forum/discussion/0754.html """ ... Imagine what we could have for $1000 by the end of this year [2000] by integrating technology that already exists: ... And a two mile radio range: http://commerce.motorola.com/consumer/QWhtml/2way_comp.html (That link is dead, but it was just a generic consumer walkie-talkie.) ... And remember that in five years this entire thing will cost US$100 each. ... Consider a couple of these souped up devices given to each village in Africa. Anyone with $1 billion for true development aid to 500,000 African villages? (This is just the cost of one unfinished dam or one shut down nuclear plant.) Consider millions of these devices airdropped into Iraq and Yugoslavia -- instead of more expensive cruise missiles! Anybody got $1 billion to spend on ensuring democracy with a true defense against tyranny in those places? (This is probably what the U.S. military spends on gas/oil for a month cruising the area...) This is like a system I wanted to develop and deploy pre-Y2K just in case... But it still has much value in preparing for any potential (natural, political, economic, biological) disaster, as well as aiding the development of democracy. It's somewhat like the wearable crystals described in The Skills of Xanadu" by Theodore Sturgeon (available in his book The Golden Helix), although the one thing it lacks is easy self-replication... Developing and then deploying this sort of device is the sort of thing the UN or a major foundation should fund (if they were on the ball). But luckily, there is hope from toymakers! """ Note that even then I could have told you One Laptop Per Child was a bad model -- one or two computers per village is a better model. I still feel what might make this idea really take off is to piggy-back this P2P functionality into some cheap mass-produced toy. :-) But netbooks are going there. As are cell phones. In some ways, aspects of this are also more a software problem than a hardware problem, because a lot more use of the existing network can be made than is as a social network of peers (that is the promise of the Social Semantic Desktop idea). --Paul Fernhout http://www.pdfernhout.net/ _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[i2p] weekly status notes [nov 2]
by jrandom 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi y'all, time for the weekly update * Index: 1) Net status 2) Core updates 3) Streaming lib 4) mail.i2p progress 5) BT progress 6) ??? * 1) Net status Pretty much as before - a steady number of peers, eepsites fairly reachable, and irc for hours on end. You can get a peek at the reachability of various eepsites through a few different pages: - http://gott.i2p/sites.html - http://www.baffled.i2p/links.html - http://thetower.i2p/pings.txt * 2) Core updates For those hanging out in the channel (or reading the CVS logs), you've seen a lot of things going on, even though its been a while since the last release. A full list of changes since the 0.4.1.3 release can be found online [1], but there are two major modifications, one good and one bad: The good one is that we've dramatically cut down on the memory churn caused by all sorts of insane temporary object creation. I finally got fed up with watching the GC go mad while debugging the new streaming lib, so after a few days of profiling, tweaking, and tuning, the ugliest parts are cleaned up. The bad one is a bugfix for how some tunnel routed messages are handled - there were some situations where a message was sent directly to the targeted router rather than tunnel routed prior to delivery, which could be exploited by an adversary who can do a little coding. We now properly tunnel route when in doubt. That may sound good, but the 'bad' part is that it means that there's going to be some increased latency due to the additional hops, though these are hops that needed to be used anyway. There are other debugging activities going on in the core as well, so there hasn't been an official release yet - CVS HEAD is 0.4.1.3-8. In the next few days we'll probably have a 0.4.1.4 release, just to get all that stuff cleared up. It won't contain the new streaming lib, of course. [1] http://dev.i2p.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/i2p/history.txt?rev=HEAD * 3) Streaming lib Speaking of the streaming lib, there has been a lot of progress here, and the side by side comparison of the old and new libs are looking good. However, there is still work to be done, and as I said last time, we're not going to rush it out the door. That does mean that the roadmap has slipped, likely in the range of 2-3 weeks. More details when they're available. * 4) mail.i2p progress Lots of new stuff this week - working in and out proxies! See www.postman.i2p for more information. * 5) BT progress There has been a flurry of activity regarding porting a BitTorrent client as of late, as well as updating some tracker settings. Perhaps we can get some updates from those involved during the meeting. * 6) ??? Thats it for me. Sorry for the delay, I forgot about that whole daylight savings thingamabob. Anyway, see y'all in a few. =jr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQYf9PBpxS9rYd+OGEQIoGQCgvDKydGRT42tO9bwWutAwnoolpj0AoNyX Z1ThyrjEZjAttC/wChPN43aD =SJDa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ i2p mailing list i2p(a)i2p.net http://i2p.dnsalias.net/mailman/listinfo/i2p ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: [p2p-research] Autonet - an autonomous internet - call for participation
by Paul D. Fernhout 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

magius wrote: >Autonet is a project to create a wireless, global internet that can >provide more reliability than corporate phone companies by being >community based and freely licensed. > >Autonet is a project to create a wireless, global internet that can >provide more reliability than corporate phone companies by being >community based and freely licensed. > >The cutting off access to The Pirate Bay by BT in the UK ( >http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/251609/bt-blocks-off-pirate-bay.html ) is >just another sign of the beginning of the end. The fact that the Great >Firewall of China exists signals that the internet is already obsolete >and that the Great Firewall of the US is just around the corner. While >moves against net neutrality began years ago and have been fought, >nasty laws such as HR4437 and the Total Information Awareness program >have a way of coming into existence later in the future, slightly >modified, under different names. The internet as we know it, as a >place for free exchange of information, as the center of what has been >called a second 17th century with new ideas, creativity and innovation >emerging daily, is rapidly coming to an end. We must use these last >gasps of freedom to route around the disaster and create a truly free >network. Just to echo this theme, freedom-of-speech, use it or lose it, something I wrote back in 2000, envisioning something like the OLPC, as a US$100 computer inspired by the Cybiko toy (fixed a few typos): "[unrev-II] The DKR hardware I'd like to make..." http://www.dougengelbart.org/colloquium/forum/discussion/0754.html """ ... Imagine what we could have for $1000 by the end of this year [2000] by integrating technology that already exists: ... And a two mile radio range: http://commerce.motorola.com/consumer/QWhtml/2way_comp.html (That link is dead, but it was just a generic consumer walkie-talkie.) ... And remember that in five years this entire thing will cost US$100 each. ... Consider a couple of these souped up devices given to each village in Africa. Anyone with $1 billion for true development aid to 500,000 African villages? (This is just the cost of one unfinished dam or one shut down nuclear plant.) Consider millions of these devices airdropped into Iraq and Yugoslavia -- instead of more expensive cruise missiles! Anybody got $1 billion to spend on ensuring democracy with a true defense against tyranny in those places? (This is probably what the U.S. military spends on gas/oil for a month cruising the area...) This is like a system I wanted to develop and deploy pre-Y2K just in case... But it still has much value in preparing for any potential (natural, political, economic, biological) disaster, as well as aiding the development of democracy. It's somewhat like the wearable crystals described in The Skills of Xanadu" by Theodore Sturgeon (available in his book The Golden Helix), although the one thing it lacks is easy self-replication... Developing and then deploying this sort of device is the sort of thing the UN or a major foundation should fund (if they were on the ball). But luckily, there is hope from toymakers! """ Note that even then I could have told you One Laptop Per Child was a bad model -- one or two computers per village is a better model. I still feel what might make this idea really take off is to piggy-back this P2P functionality into some cheap mass-produced toy. :-) But netbooks are going there. As are cell phones. In some ways, aspects of this are also more a software problem than a hardware problem, because a lot more use of the existing network can be made than is as a social network of peers (that is the promise of the Social Semantic Desktop idea). --Paul Fernhout http://www.pdfernhout.net/ _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[s-t] File sharing vs Bandwidth sharing
by Spastic Mutant 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The RIAA dropped its lawsuit against the sculptor who had a Mac and couldn't possibly have used Kazaa to download songs. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/09/24/tech.lawsuit.ap/index.html So then I started thinkin'... But what if, say, I had a wireless access point on my cable or DSL modem setup and allowed friends and neighbors (maybe even warchalker strangers) to use it for whatever they chose? I certainly can't stop them from downloading music, I'm just allowing them to use my link. If I never downloaded songs or even had a host capable of running Kazaa, like this person, am I still off the hook? And if I'm responsible for that, wouldn't that make my ISP responsible too? I'm doing what they are doing, I'm just not taking names - I don't track who uses my WAP. Even if I just keep a list of wireless MAC addresses, that still doesn't really translate into anything of use to a prosecutor. If an open WAP means that the owner is subject to major criminal prosecution based on the behavior of the other people using it, then is there now an implicit requirement that all WAPs be secured, like a car or a gun? What are the legal responsibilities of a wireless access point owner/provider, and are people who own WAPs aware of them? If I implement the security protocols and someone breaks into my supposedly secure wireless network anyway, and is able to access bandwidth, am I still responsible for their downloads even if I implemented the standard precautions? Or is it like a swimming pool, an "attractive nuisance", for which the swimming pool owner is responsible for the drowning of neighborhood children even though he puts a six foot fence around it? Anne Marie -- When the poor steal from the middle class, it's called robbery. When the middle class steal from the rich, it's called embezzlement. When the rich steal from the poor, it's called Business. --Anne Marie Merritt, Nov 2, 1996 ----- End forwarded message ----- [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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[i2p] weekly status notes [nov 2]
by jrandom 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi y'all, time for the weekly update * Index: 1) Net status 2) Core updates 3) Streaming lib 4) mail.i2p progress 5) BT progress 6) ??? * 1) Net status Pretty much as before - a steady number of peers, eepsites fairly reachable, and irc for hours on end. You can get a peek at the reachability of various eepsites through a few different pages: - http://gott.i2p/sites.html - http://www.baffled.i2p/links.html - http://thetower.i2p/pings.txt * 2) Core updates For those hanging out in the channel (or reading the CVS logs), you've seen a lot of things going on, even though its been a while since the last release. A full list of changes since the 0.4.1.3 release can be found online [1], but there are two major modifications, one good and one bad: The good one is that we've dramatically cut down on the memory churn caused by all sorts of insane temporary object creation. I finally got fed up with watching the GC go mad while debugging the new streaming lib, so after a few days of profiling, tweaking, and tuning, the ugliest parts are cleaned up. The bad one is a bugfix for how some tunnel routed messages are handled - there were some situations where a message was sent directly to the targeted router rather than tunnel routed prior to delivery, which could be exploited by an adversary who can do a little coding. We now properly tunnel route when in doubt. That may sound good, but the 'bad' part is that it means that there's going to be some increased latency due to the additional hops, though these are hops that needed to be used anyway. There are other debugging activities going on in the core as well, so there hasn't been an official release yet - CVS HEAD is 0.4.1.3-8. In the next few days we'll probably have a 0.4.1.4 release, just to get all that stuff cleared up. It won't contain the new streaming lib, of course. [1] http://dev.i2p.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/i2p/history.txt?rev=HEAD * 3) Streaming lib Speaking of the streaming lib, there has been a lot of progress here, and the side by side comparison of the old and new libs are looking good. However, there is still work to be done, and as I said last time, we're not going to rush it out the door. That does mean that the roadmap has slipped, likely in the range of 2-3 weeks. More details when they're available. * 4) mail.i2p progress Lots of new stuff this week - working in and out proxies! See www.postman.i2p for more information. * 5) BT progress There has been a flurry of activity regarding porting a BitTorrent client as of late, as well as updating some tracker settings. Perhaps we can get some updates from those involved during the meeting. * 6) ??? Thats it for me. Sorry for the delay, I forgot about that whole daylight savings thingamabob. Anyway, see y'all in a few. =jr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQYf9PBpxS9rYd+OGEQIoGQCgvDKydGRT42tO9bwWutAwnoolpj0AoNyX Z1ThyrjEZjAttC/wChPN43aD =SJDa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ i2p mailing list i2p(a)i2p.net http://i2p.dnsalias.net/mailman/listinfo/i2p ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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[FoRK] DHS: Bombers may use 'pregnancy prosthetics'
by Stephen D. Williams 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Oh brother... No taste at all. http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/11/656670.aspx DHS: Bombers may use 'pregnancy prosthetics' Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 4:17 PM PT Filed Under: Terrorism By James Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is reminding law-enforcement officials of the increased use of female suicide bombers worldwide, and warning that women terrorists might hide explosives in devices b that mimic the look of a pregnant woman.b The unclassified DHS threat assessment, released Monday and obtained by NBC News, shows photographs of b pregnancy prosthetics,b hollowed-out devices that could hold explosive devices. The report says b female suicide bombers have used devices that make them appear pregnant to hide explosive devices.b The DHS report states that terrorists are using female bombers more frequently, in part because these attacks generate b more widespread media exposure.b It adds: b Continued use of female suicide bombers-the most recent example being a 3 February 2008 attack at the main railway station in Colombo, Sri Lanka-indicates that terrorists judge this tactic as effective in increasing defenses and thwarting security measures.b The report, marked b For Official Use Only,b is one of dozens of threat assessments issued jointly throughout the year by DHS and the FBI. The authors are quick to mention that therebs no immediate threat to the U.S. b DHS and the FBI have no specific, credible intelligence indicating that terrorist organizations intend to utilize female suicide bombers against targets in the Homeland,b they write. The report ticks off several recent attacks by women bombers in Iraq and Sri Lanka, and the recruitment of female suicide bombers in Chechnya, India, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories and Turkey. Why the increase in women bombers? b DHS and the FBI assess that female suicide bombers may have an advantage over their male counterparts in accessing targets. The means to conduct a suicide attack vary widely, but a key element in maximizing the lethality of a suicide bombing is the bomberbs ability to get close to the target,b the report states. b Female suicide bombers may carry explosives devices in a backpack, briefcase, or purse, or hidden in an article of clothing worn close to the body, such as a vest, belt, long socks, or jacket.b _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Letters from the feds
by Karsten N. 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Eugen Leitl schrieb: > I disagree (as a parent, and a Tor operator who got a BKA case about > pedophilia on his hands, which is still open -- at least there is yet > no usual offical letter declaring it closed, so I take that as a negative). I am a German tor operator too and the provider of my server got the same BKA case. Because the provider closed my server, I asked the press for help. The investigation of the press got the following results: 1: The BKA operation "MIKADO" was closed in the first week of January 2007. 2: Official letters declaring it was closed, were not send. If you asked for official letter, you will get one. 3: May be, affected tor operators will be listed in a database. I do not know more about the database, I got only a (unofficial) warning by the investigating journalist: "There is a database and you are listed." May be, the information about the closed BKA operation is interesting for other operators too. Karsten N. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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Re: Undersea cable cut?
by Chris McDonald 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

There's a cut in SWM4 *SMW4 Segment 4.1 cable fault* Cable shunt fault developed on SMW4 segment 4.1 (Egypt / Alexandria b Branching Unit #4A onward France / Marseilles) at 07:15GMT on 14-Apr. 2010. However the shunt fault has further deteriorated and the cable segment was down at 10:03GMT. Only four unprotected Singapore b London / Frankfurt STM-4c IP trunks were being affected. SMW4 NOC updated that there is a shunt fault in segment 4.1 between Egypt / Alexandria and France / Marseilles with cable fault on Fiber Pair #2 at 1886.152 km from Alexandria towards Palermo. The traffic landed at Palermo onwards to Europe was being affected, while the traffic running between Alexandria and Marseilles via Fiber Pair #1 is still maintained. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:13 PM, St. Onge,Adam <ASTONGE(a)travelers.com>wrote: > Seeing a serious uptick in latency to India from North America and am > hearing reports of an undersea cable cut in the Mediterranean? Has anyone > else heard something similar? > > Thanks, > Adam > > > ============================================================================== > This communication, including attachments, is confidential, may be subject > to legal privileges, and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. Any > use, duplication, disclosure or dissemination of this communication, other > than by the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or > destroy this communication and all copies. > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[FoRK] DHS: Bombers may use 'pregnancy prosthetics'
by Stephen D. Williams 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Oh brother... No taste at all. http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/11/656670.aspx DHS: Bombers may use 'pregnancy prosthetics' Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 4:17 PM PT Filed Under: Terrorism By James Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is reminding law-enforcement officials of the increased use of female suicide bombers worldwide, and warning that women terrorists might hide explosives in devices b that mimic the look of a pregnant woman.b The unclassified DHS threat assessment, released Monday and obtained by NBC News, shows photographs of b pregnancy prosthetics,b hollowed-out devices that could hold explosive devices. The report says b female suicide bombers have used devices that make them appear pregnant to hide explosive devices.b The DHS report states that terrorists are using female bombers more frequently, in part because these attacks generate b more widespread media exposure.b It adds: b Continued use of female suicide bombers-the most recent example being a 3 February 2008 attack at the main railway station in Colombo, Sri Lanka-indicates that terrorists judge this tactic as effective in increasing defenses and thwarting security measures.b The report, marked b For Official Use Only,b is one of dozens of threat assessments issued jointly throughout the year by DHS and the FBI. The authors are quick to mention that therebs no immediate threat to the U.S. b DHS and the FBI have no specific, credible intelligence indicating that terrorist organizations intend to utilize female suicide bombers against targets in the Homeland,b they write. The report ticks off several recent attacks by women bombers in Iraq and Sri Lanka, and the recruitment of female suicide bombers in Chechnya, India, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories and Turkey. Why the increase in women bombers? b DHS and the FBI assess that female suicide bombers may have an advantage over their male counterparts in accessing targets. The means to conduct a suicide attack vary widely, but a key element in maximizing the lethality of a suicide bombing is the bomberbs ability to get close to the target,b the report states. b Female suicide bombers may carry explosives devices in a backpack, briefcase, or purse, or hidden in an article of clothing worn close to the body, such as a vest, belt, long socks, or jacket.b _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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