July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

[IP] more on NYT: U.S. Wins Access to Reporter Phone Records
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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[serval-project-dev] Re: We have store-and-forward SMS working on the mesh
by Paul Gardner-Stephen 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi Paul, "Paul" <p...(a)paulcolmer.co.za> wrote:> Firstly well done Paul, very cool !>> It is my understanding that if the target batphone is off the mesh, the> message will log with any available phone it can find on the mesh and the> 1st phone to find the target will deliver. Yes. > Is there any intelligence in the> network that informs a second phone finding the target that the message has> been delivered ? Yes, so again this will be described in more detail in the white paperI am working on, but the general idea is that each sender maintains alist of all messages they have sent, which has a version numberassociated with it in the Rhizome Manifest file. If a recipientalready has that version of the file, then it doesn't refetch it.Else, it refetches the file. We have a mechanism we have planned butnot yet implemented where only the new part of the file gets fetched,and also that expires the old part of the file that contains alreadydelivered messages, together working to minimise network traffic. > Likewise, will a 'mule' phone update the mesh when it comes back in range to> say ' I delivered ' all OK ! and delete the message on other potential mules> in the mesh ? So what happens here (or rather is planned, and being implementednow), is that the recipients phone may issue a receipt that spreads inthe same way as the original message. When the sender gets thereceipt, they know the message was delivered, which also means thatthey can advance the beginning point in their message log to excludethe received message (assuming there are no others before it that arestill pending). That goes out in the form of an updated manifest fromthe sender. When the recipient sees this new manifest that doesn'tinclude the original message, it can deduce that the message receiptwas acknowledged, and it can advance it's starting point in itsmessage file in the same way. All this means that after a message isreceived, it will phase out from being carried by devices on the mesh. We are also planning various scope limiting features to stop messagesflooding too far or for too long. Paul. On Jan 1 2002, 8:57 pm, "Paul" <p...(a)paulcolmer.co.za> wrote: > Firstly well done Paul, very cool ! > > It is my understanding that if the target batphone is off the mesh, the > message will log with any available phone it can find on the mesh and the > 1st phone to find the target will deliver. Is there any intelligence in the > network that informs a second phone finding the target that the message has > been delivered ? > Likewise, will a 'mule' phone update the mesh when it comes back in range to > say ' I delivered ' all OK ! and delete the message on other potential mules > in the mesh ? > > Paul Colmer > Paul Colmer & Associates > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: village-telco-dev(a)googlegroups.com > > [mailto:village-telco-dev@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Gardner-Stephen > Sent: 23 November 2011 01:15 AM > To: village-telco-dev > Subject: [vt-dev] Re: We have store-and-forward SMS working on the mesh > > Hello, > > In this prototype we don't have security in place, but the messages > will be encrypted using public-private crypto such that only the > recipient can receive the message. We also offer the option of > encrypting the recipient so that there is confidentiality as to who > the recipient is -- although that protection is only partial, as it > wouldn't take too much analysis to observe the patterns of receiving > and sending messages to make some well informed guesses about social > network structure. > > Paul. > > On Nov 22, 11:23 pm, Outback Dingo <outbackdi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Paul Gardner-Stephen > > > <p...(a)servalproject.org> wrote: > > Seehttp://servalpaul.blogspot.com/2011/11/demonstrating-serval-rhizome-s... > > > for some details, video and cartoon to explain a little of how it > > > works. I am also working on a white paper that describes it in much > > > more detail. > > > Sounds nice in theory, but what about message security....... if > > someone elses phone contains the message as a courier device > > could it not be intercepted and read by a devious user? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "village-telco-dev" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to village-telco-dev(a)googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > village-telco-dev+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/village-telco-dev?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "village-telco-dev" group. > To post to this group, send email to village-telco-dev(a)googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > village-telco-dev+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/village-telco-dev?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Serval Project Developers" group. 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Re: [IP] NYT: U.S. Wins Access to Reporter Phone Records
by Brock N. Meeks 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hail hardy and good f-ing luck to the Feds. As a reporter I when dealing with sensitive sources I NEVER called them on a phone that could be traced to them or myself nor would I ever have them call me on a phone that could be traced back to them. And here I'm talking about sources that handling information that was classified or "hot" in some big way; not talking about a congressional staffer or agency employee leaking me a draft copy of a GAO report or something like that. I would instruct sources, either during face to face meetings or "talking" to a group of potential sources (like law enforcement) in an electronic forum, to buy phone cards and make calls to me from public phones or from disposable cell phones. I had more than two dozen Federal Air Marshals as sources and they all communicated with me using phone cards. Yes, all very James Bond, to be sure. But for years I was afraid that just this sort of thing might happen one day, either legally or illegally. I know several other reporters that operate like this as well. --Brock On 8/2/06 5:28 PM, "David Farber" <dave(a)farber.net> wrote: > > >Begin forwarded message: > >From: Brad Malin <b.malin(a)vanderbilt.edu> >Date: August 2, 2006 2:15:42 PM EDT >To: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> >Subject: NYT: U.S. Wins Access to Reporter Phone Records > >If I was going to be a confidential source, I would do so through an >encrypted channel. > >-brad > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/washington/02phones.html > >U.S. Wins Access to Reporter Phone Records > >By ADAM LIPTAK >Published: August 2, 2006 > >A federal prosecutor may inspect the telephone records of two New >York Times >reporters in an effort to identify their confidential sources, a >federal >appeals court in New York ruled yesterday. > >The 2-to-1 decision, from a court historically sympathetic to claims >that >journalists should be entitled to protect their sources, reversed a >lower >court and dealt a further setback to news organizations, which have >lately >been on a losing streak in the federal courts. > >The dissenting judge said that the government had failed to >demonstrate it >truly needed the records and that efforts to obtain reportersb phone >records >could alter the way news gathering was conducted. > ><snip> > > > >------------------------------------- >You are subscribed as bmeeks(a)cox.net >To manage your subscription, go to >http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip > >Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- >people/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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[IP] more on NYT: U.S. Wins Access to Reporter Phone Records
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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[serval-project-dev] Re: We have store-and-forward SMS working on the mesh
by Paul Gardner-Stephen 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hi Paul, "Paul" <p...(a)paulcolmer.co.za> wrote:> Firstly well done Paul, very cool !>> It is my understanding that if the target batphone is off the mesh, the> message will log with any available phone it can find on the mesh and the> 1st phone to find the target will deliver. Yes. > Is there any intelligence in the> network that informs a second phone finding the target that the message has> been delivered ? Yes, so again this will be described in more detail in the white paperI am working on, but the general idea is that each sender maintains alist of all messages they have sent, which has a version numberassociated with it in the Rhizome Manifest file. If a recipientalready has that version of the file, then it doesn't refetch it.Else, it refetches the file. We have a mechanism we have planned butnot yet implemented where only the new part of the file gets fetched,and also that expires the old part of the file that contains alreadydelivered messages, together working to minimise network traffic. > Likewise, will a 'mule' phone update the mesh when it comes back in range to> say ' I delivered ' all OK ! and delete the message on other potential mules> in the mesh ? So what happens here (or rather is planned, and being implementednow), is that the recipients phone may issue a receipt that spreads inthe same way as the original message. When the sender gets thereceipt, they know the message was delivered, which also means thatthey can advance the beginning point in their message log to excludethe received message (assuming there are no others before it that arestill pending). That goes out in the form of an updated manifest fromthe sender. When the recipient sees this new manifest that doesn'tinclude the original message, it can deduce that the message receiptwas acknowledged, and it can advance it's starting point in itsmessage file in the same way. All this means that after a message isreceived, it will phase out from being carried by devices on the mesh. We are also planning various scope limiting features to stop messagesflooding too far or for too long. Paul. On Jan 1 2002, 8:57 pm, "Paul" <p...(a)paulcolmer.co.za> wrote: > Firstly well done Paul, very cool ! > > It is my understanding that if the target batphone is off the mesh, the > message will log with any available phone it can find on the mesh and the > 1st phone to find the target will deliver. Is there any intelligence in the > network that informs a second phone finding the target that the message has > been delivered ? > Likewise, will a 'mule' phone update the mesh when it comes back in range to > say ' I delivered ' all OK ! and delete the message on other potential mules > in the mesh ? > > Paul Colmer > Paul Colmer & Associates > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: village-telco-dev(a)googlegroups.com > > [mailto:village-telco-dev@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Gardner-Stephen > Sent: 23 November 2011 01:15 AM > To: village-telco-dev > Subject: [vt-dev] Re: We have store-and-forward SMS working on the mesh > > Hello, > > In this prototype we don't have security in place, but the messages > will be encrypted using public-private crypto such that only the > recipient can receive the message. We also offer the option of > encrypting the recipient so that there is confidentiality as to who > the recipient is -- although that protection is only partial, as it > wouldn't take too much analysis to observe the patterns of receiving > and sending messages to make some well informed guesses about social > network structure. > > Paul. > > On Nov 22, 11:23 pm, Outback Dingo <outbackdi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Paul Gardner-Stephen > > > <p...(a)servalproject.org> wrote: > > Seehttp://servalpaul.blogspot.com/2011/11/demonstrating-serval-rhizome-s... > > > for some details, video and cartoon to explain a little of how it > > > works. I am also working on a white paper that describes it in much > > > more detail. > > > Sounds nice in theory, but what about message security....... if > > someone elses phone contains the message as a courier device > > could it not be intercepted and read by a devious user? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "village-telco-dev" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to village-telco-dev(a)googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > village-telco-dev+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/village-telco-dev?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "village-telco-dev" group. > To post to this group, send email to village-telco-dev(a)googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > village-telco-dev+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/village-telco-dev?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Serval Project Developers" group. 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"Spam Kings" Released by O'Reilly
by Kathryn Barrett 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

For Immediate Release For more information, a review copy, cover art, or an interview with the author, contact: Kathryn Barrett (707) 827-7094 or kathrynb(a)oreilly.com The Real Story Behind the High-Rolling Hucksters Pushing Porn, Pills, and @*#?% Enlargements O'Reilly Releases "Spam Kings" Sebastopol, CA--At one time, spammer Davis Wolfgang Hawke grossed more than $600,000 per month selling herbal male enhancement products over the Internet. His customers came from all walks of life--CEOs, mutual fund managers, soldiers, housewives, landscapers--in other words, people who should have known better. Most people consider spam to be at least an irritation; many consider it to be more: a scourge, a significant drain on resources and money, a violation of the sanctity of one's personal computer, even an assault against one's moral sensibilities. With spam making up more than sixty percent of today's email traffic, it is indeed a problem, but is the problem solely the fault of the spammers? Brian McWilliams, author of "Spam Kings: The Real Story Behind the High-Rolling Hucksters Pushing Porn, Pills, and @*#?% Enlargements" (O'Reilly, US $22.95, hardback), explores the shadowy world of the people responsible for today's junk email epidemic. McWilliams reveals the motivations and practices of the people who fill our email in-boxes with spam, but he also points out, "Hawke's customer list just underscores one of the key issues of the book. Spammers are willing to put up with all sorts of wrath and attacks because they honestly believe customers want what they have to offer." McWilliams, an experienced investigative journalist who gained international attention in 2002 when he wrote about the contents of Saddam Hussein's email in-box for "Wired News," offers a fascinating account of activities of spam entrepreneurs in search of easy money. He chronicles the careers of several spam kings, including Hawke, the notorious Jewish- born neo-Nazi leader. The book traces this twenty-year old neophyte's rise in the trade, which would make him a major player in the penis enlargement pill market--and eventually a millionaire and the target of lawsuits from AOL and others. "Like a lot of people, I get tons of junk email," McWilliams explains. "But in May, 2003, I was deluged with over one hundred spams for pills from the same company, all in a two-week span. I managed to trace the messages to a firm in nearby Manchester, New Hampshire. I discovered spammers practically in my backyard, and I decided to tell the world about it." "I set out to write about the dozen or so spammers whom I thought were the best representatives of this strange species," McWilliams continues. "But in the process of researching the book, I was surprised to learn how interconnected many of them were. There's definitely less than seven degrees of separation between the spam kings--and sometimes even between the spammers and their antagonists, the anti-spammers." In addition to Hawke, McWilliams introduces readers to other bizarre denizens of the spam underworld, including Sanford Wallace, one of the original spam kings, who insists that spam is a First Amendment right; Jason Vale, the champion arm-wrestler and cancer survivor whose spam messages promote Laetrile as a cure for cancer; Alan Moore, known as Dr. Fatburn to his diet-pill customers; Rodona Garst, middle-class, white-collar suburbanite by day, running stock pump-and-dump scams in her spare time; and a fascinating assortment of others. But "Spam Kings" isn't just about spammers; it also tells the story of anti-spam cyber-activists, like Susan Gunn, a computer novice in California whose outrage led her to join a group of anti-spammers. McWilliams reports that in September 2004, the FTC recommended that Congress consider creating a bounty system for people who help catch spammers. Says McWilliams, "At present, anti-spammers hunt down spammers as unpaid volunteers, but that could change if Congress decides to put a bounty on a spammer's pelt." In June, 2004, McWilliams notes, "AOL revealed that one of its employees had sold AOL's entire member database to spammers. One of the people who bought that list was Davis Hawke, the central figure of 'Spam Kings.' Hawke's partner, Brad Bournival, was the unidentified source who cooperated with law enforcement and enabled them to arrest two men in June for the theft. The case is still pending, with indictments due any day." McWilliams acknowledges that there are much bigger problems in the world than spam, "But on the Internet, it's arguably THE biggest problem, since junk email is limiting our ability to communicate, and communication is the whole point of the Internet." McWilliams believes that eventually technology will reduce spam back to a minor nuisance. "But in the meantime," he says, "the root of the spam problem is people; specifically, the folks who buy from spammers. There's a big market out there of what I call 'furtive shoppers'--people who want convenient, anonymous access to shady products like porn, fake Rolex watches, drugs without prescriptions, cable de-scramblers, and 'free' government grants." "Spam Kings" sheds light on the technical sleight-of-hand--forged headers, open relays, harvesting tools, and bulletproof hosting--and other sleazy business practices that spammers use; the work of top anti-spam attorneys; the surprising new partnership developing between spammers and computer hackers; and the rise of a new breed of computer viruses designed to turn the PCs of innocent bystanders into secret spam factories. Praise for "Spam Kings": "The inside story of who's behind all that junk filling up your inbox is both good reporting and a good read. All the scum-sucking bottom-dwellers of the spam underworld are represented, as well as many of the unsung heroes in the war against unwanted email. "Spam Kings" should be required reading for anyone who hates spam--which includes just about everybody except spammers." --Daniel Tynan, contributing editor, PC World "Spam Kings" deftly exposes these creeps, humanizes them, and helps us to understand how and why they do what they do. It isn't a pretty picture but is one we all should look at and understand. Read this book." --Robert X. Cringely, creator of the PBS documentary, "Triumph of the Nerds" "Like a deep-sea photographer, McWilliams brings us a shocking series of portraits of the bizzare creatures feeding and fighting at the bottom of the Internet. Anyone who has wondered what kind of person would send spam can find the answer here. The truth is stranger than fiction, and more disturbing, as their tentacles reach us daily." --Jason Catlett, founder and president of Junkbusters Corporation Further reviews of "Spam Kings" can be read at: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/spamkings/reviews.html Additional Resources: Chapter 1, "Birth of a Spam King," is available online at: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/spamkings/chapter/index.html For more information about the book, including table of contents, index, author bio, and samples, see: http://www.spamkings.biz For a cover graphic in JPEG format, go to: ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/graphics/book_covers/hi-res/0596007329.jpg Spam Kings Brian McWilliams ISBN 0-596-00732-9, 333 pages, $22.95 US, $33.95 CA order(a)oreilly.com 1-800-998-9938 1-707-827-7000 http://www.oreilly.com About O'Reilly O'Reilly Media, Inc. is the premier information source for leading-edge computer technologies. 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Call for Nominations - NRC project on Information Fusion and
by Lin, Herb 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Data Mining Dave - given the interest of your constituency in this subject.. We'd surely appreciate a posting of this notice, since you have access to a broader range of people than we normally have. Thanks. herb CALL FOR NOMINATIONS for a National Research Council study on Technical and Policy Dimensions of Large-scale Government Use of Information Fusion and Data Mining PLEASE POST WIDELY (and apologies for duplicate postings) The subjects of data mining and information fusion are in the forefront of many public policy discussions about how the nation should exploit information technology for purposes such as counter-terrorism, law enforcement, and public health. Recognizing the concerns raised in such discussions, the National Research Council is launching a project that will examine technical and policy issues associated with the large-scale government use of information fusion and data mining for such purposes. In addition to examining the technical problems and needs, it will consider the social and policy issues, such as privacy, that arise with the prospect of such use and consider how alternative approaches to both technology and policy can help to resolve them. The National Research Council (NRC) is the operating arm of the National Academies (<http://www.nationalacademies.org>), which include the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. The National Academies were created by congressional charter to advise the nation on matters of public policy that involve science and technology. The NRC - a non-profit organization - works outside the framework of government to ensure independent advice to the government through the use of committees composed of the nation's top scientists, engineers, and other experts -- all of whom serve pro bono in the national interest to examine specific topics and issues. Within the NRC, this project is being undertaken by the Computer Science and Telecommunications Board (<http://www.cstb.org>) in cooperation with the NRC's Committee on National Statistics (<http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cnstat/>). For this project, a broad range of perspectives is required on the committee that will oversee this project. Individuals with expertise are sought in fields such as distributed systems, databases and information retrieval, data mining, intelligent agents, system security, systems integration and architecture, economics, sociology, statistics, political science, intellectual property, privacy, and civil liberties. Committee membership (limited to about 15 individuals) will be based on personal expertise and a dedication to drawing conclusions based on the analysis of data and information, and not on satisfying requirements for political representativeness. And, while it seeks nominations from a wide variety of sources, the National Research Council reserves the exclusive right to determine the membership of the committee. In accordance with NRC policy for all of its studies, committee members will also be vetted for both bias and direct financial conflicts of interest, both in selecting the members initially and also by the committee itself in closed session, when it meets for the first time. Committee members should be ** willing and able to work collegially with other committee members of differing perspectives to reach consensus on information-based analysis. They should have a demonstrated ability to consider opposing views carefully and respectfully, and be willing and able to act as an individual rather than a representative of any organization or movement. ** sufficiently senior in their fields to warrant broad respect for their intellect, fairness, and stature. ** able to put in the time needed on this project (perhaps 6 meetings, each of 2-3 days, over the course of 18-21 months, plus inter-meeting work such as reading and commenting on report draft materials). During the course of the project, the study committee expects to hear from many other individuals through panel briefings, testimony, white papers and other channels for input. Obviously, committee membership is limited (probably 15 or so individuals) and thus additional perspectives will be sought through briefings, a major convening, and a call for input that will be issued shortly. A good illustration of the kinds of persons sought for this project is provided by the committee assembled in 1994-1996 to study national cryptography policy, another highly controversial area. The committee was chaired by a former Deputy Secretary of State, and included (among others) a former Deputy Director of the National Security Agency, a former Attorney General of the United States, a former Deputy Attorney General, the inventor of public-key cryptography, the director of research and development for the Digital Equipment Corporation, and the creator of Lotus Notes. Persons of comparable stature are sought for this project as well. (This report can be found at <http://books.nap.edu/catalog/5131.html>.) Please forward nominations (self-nominations acceptable) to DMIF-INPUT(a)NAS.EDU. Submitted nominations should include contact information, biographies (including relevant published works, public statements, and current or former positions of relevance), and indications of relevant expertise and the perspective on the subject that the nominee will bring. The "subject" line of the e-mail should say "committee nomination." While nominations may be submitted at any time, nominations received after November 22, 2004, or without the information described above, may not be fully considered. More information about the project can be found at http://www.cstb.org/project_infofusion.html. ___________________________________________ Herb Lin, Senior Scientist Computer Science and Telecommunications Board The National Academies (202) 334-3191 voice || (202) 334-2318 fax || hlin(a)nas.edu www.cstb.org || Where the nation turns for independent and informed assessments of computing, communications, and public policy ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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[IP] Call for Nominations - NRC project on Information Fusion and
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Data Mining X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Reply-To: dave(a)farber.net Begin forwarded message:

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Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.
by krishna e bera 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29:26PM -0500, Brian Mearns wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:04 PM, John Case <case(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009, Jacob Todd wrote: > [clip] > >>> I'd like to change the design of the Internet by introducing > >>> regulation--Internet passports, Internet police and international > >>> agreement--about following Internet standards. And if some countries > >>> don't agree with or don't pay attention to the agreement, just cut > >>> them off. > > > > > > Let's say this is successful ... it will simply lead to a parallel, mostly > > wireless network that is even more decentralized than the current Internet. > > How much does it cost these days to link 10mbps across 10 km ? > > > > In a few years, with "n" hardware flooding the market, how much will it cost > > to link 100mbps across 50 km ? > [clip] > > Agreed. You would think a man at the head of an Internet Security firm > would have a better understand of Internet vs. internet. His comment > about the Internet being "designed" illustrates to me that he doesn't > actually know much about the history of networking, and apparently > doesn't even have a good understanding of how ad-hoc these things > really are. > > Anyway, like I said, I totally agree with your point. If The Internet > is restricted in such ridiculous ways as Kaspersky suggests, then > other internets will just spring up to replace it. Maybe to this end > we should all make an effort to establish de-centralized networks in > our own worlds: connect a few neighbors together with CAT5, or hell, > even RS232, and you've got a network. Connect one of these to the > neighbors on the next block, and you've got an internet. How about > Sneakernets? Onion routing by snail-mail and courier? Packet > transmission by encrypted email? The Internet grew out of nothing, > once, and that when network theory was only in its infancy. There's no > reason we couldn't go it again. > > -Brian I havent read Kaspersky's report but the general argument is supportable. The hardware on which the high speed internet runs is increasingly concentrated under fewer owners. How many internet access providers exist where you live and do they significantly differ in Terms of Service, i.e. friendly to privacy? Google alone now carries from 6 to 10% of all the traffic. viz. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/youtube-bandwidth/ The laws governing (or attempting to) what is allowed on the internet are also swinging in favour of more control and traceability. Indeed, if the ACTA currently being negotiated is implemented, https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three… Tor could well become illegal, (a) because it can be used to circumvent restriction of copyrighted content by country and (b) because you can use it to hide identity while filesharing (even though we discourage that). EFF and friends succeeded in repealing some PATRIOT act insanity, but national insecurity and corporate greed continue to infect all areas of law and social reality including the internet. Anyway, there is a volunteer project which may help Tor work on the kind of grassroots internet you describe: https://www.torproject.org/volunteer.html.en Simulator for slow Internet connections *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.
by krishna e bera 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29:26PM -0500, Brian Mearns wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:04 PM, John Case <case(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009, Jacob Todd wrote: > [clip] > >>> I'd like to change the design of the Internet by introducing > >>> regulation--Internet passports, Internet police and international > >>> agreement--about following Internet standards. And if some countries > >>> don't agree with or don't pay attention to the agreement, just cut > >>> them off. > > > > > > Let's say this is successful ... it will simply lead to a parallel, mostly > > wireless network that is even more decentralized than the current Internet. > > How much does it cost these days to link 10mbps across 10 km ? > > > > In a few years, with "n" hardware flooding the market, how much will it cost > > to link 100mbps across 50 km ? > [clip] > > Agreed. You would think a man at the head of an Internet Security firm > would have a better understand of Internet vs. internet. His comment > about the Internet being "designed" illustrates to me that he doesn't > actually know much about the history of networking, and apparently > doesn't even have a good understanding of how ad-hoc these things > really are. > > Anyway, like I said, I totally agree with your point. If The Internet > is restricted in such ridiculous ways as Kaspersky suggests, then > other internets will just spring up to replace it. Maybe to this end > we should all make an effort to establish de-centralized networks in > our own worlds: connect a few neighbors together with CAT5, or hell, > even RS232, and you've got a network. Connect one of these to the > neighbors on the next block, and you've got an internet. How about > Sneakernets? Onion routing by snail-mail and courier? Packet > transmission by encrypted email? The Internet grew out of nothing, > once, and that when network theory was only in its infancy. There's no > reason we couldn't go it again. > > -Brian I havent read Kaspersky's report but the general argument is supportable. The hardware on which the high speed internet runs is increasingly concentrated under fewer owners. How many internet access providers exist where you live and do they significantly differ in Terms of Service, i.e. friendly to privacy? Google alone now carries from 6 to 10% of all the traffic. viz. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/youtube-bandwidth/ The laws governing (or attempting to) what is allowed on the internet are also swinging in favour of more control and traceability. Indeed, if the ACTA currently being negotiated is implemented, https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three… Tor could well become illegal, (a) because it can be used to circumvent restriction of copyrighted content by country and (b) because you can use it to hide identity while filesharing (even though we discourage that). EFF and friends succeeded in repealing some PATRIOT act insanity, but national insecurity and corporate greed continue to infect all areas of law and social reality including the internet. Anyway, there is a volunteer project which may help Tor work on the kind of grassroots internet you describe: https://www.torproject.org/volunteer.html.en Simulator for slow Internet connections *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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