July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [cryptography] OTR and deniability
by Steven Bellovin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The two Ian G's have it correct: while OTR provides (some level of) lack of evidence within the system, it says nothing about external evidence like netflow records, which machine the logs were taken from, etc. To pick one bad example -- bad because I don't know if it fits the facts of this case -- if one party to a purported conversation turned over a log file, and forensic examination of the second party's computer showed the same log, I suspect that most people would believe that those two parties had that conversation. Of course, the authenticity of the log files could be challenged -- did the first party hack into the second party's computer and plant the log file? had someone else hacked into it and used it to talk with the first party? -- but that's also outside the crypto protocol. Put another way, the goal in a trial is not a mathematical proof, it's proof to a certain standard of evidence, based on many different pieces of data. Life isn't a cryptographic protocol. --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb _______________________________________________ cryptography mailing list cryptography(a)randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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<nettime> The Wikileaks Stratfor Case
by Geert Lovink 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

WikiLeaks mystery press conference Monday 12 noon, Frontline Club, Paddington, London, 13 Norfolk place W2 1QJ. WL press release: The Global Intelligence Files http://wlcentral.org/node/2474 On the 27th of February 2012, Wikileaks released the following statement: LONDONB- Today, Monday 27 February, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files b more than five million emails from the Texas-headquartered "global intelligence" company Stratfor. The emails date from between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopalbs Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defense Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratforbs web of informers, pay-off structure, payment-laundering techniques and psychological methods, for example: "You have to take control of him. Control means financial, sexual or psychological control... This is intended to start our conversation on your next phase" b CEO George Friedman to Stratfor analyst Reva Bhalla on 6 December 2011, on how to exploit an Israeli intelligence informant providing information on the medical condition of the President of Venezuala, Hugo Chavez." The material contains privileged information about the US governmentbs attacks against Julian Assange and WikiLeaks and Stratforbs own attempts to subvert WikiLeaks. There are more than 4,000 emails mentioning WikiLeaks or Julian Assange. The emails also expose the revolving door that operates in private intelligence companies in the United States. Government and diplomatic sources from around the world give Stratfor advance knowledge of global politics and events in exchange for money. The Global Intelligence Files exposes how Stratfor has recruited a global network of informants who are paid via Swiss banks accounts and pre-paid credit cards. Stratfor has a mix of covert and overt informants, which includes government employees, embassy staff and journalists around the world. The material shows how a private intelligence agency works, and how they target individuals for their corporate and government clients. For example, Stratfor monitored and analysed the online activities of Bhopal activists, including the "Yes Men", for the US chemical giant Dow Chemical. The activists seek redress for the 1984 Dow Chemical/Union Carbide gas disaster in Bhopal, India. The disaster led to thousands of deaths, injuries in more than half a million people, and lasting environmental damage. Stratfor has realised that its routine use of secret cash bribes to get information from insiders is risky. In August 2011, Stratfor CEO George Friedman confidentially told his employees: "We are retaining a law firm to create a policy for Stratfor on the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. I donbt plan to do the perp walk and I donbt want anyone here doing it either." Stratforbs use of insiders for intelligence soon turned into a money-making scheme of questionable legality. The emails show that in 2009 then-Goldman Sachs Managing Director Shea Morenz and Stratfor CEO George Friedman hatched an idea to "utilise the intelligence" it was pulling in from its insider network to start up a captive strategic investment fund. CEO George Friedman explained in a confidential August 2011 document, marked DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS: "What StratCap will do is use our Stratforbs intelligence and analysis to trade in a range of geopolitical instruments, particularly government bonds, currencies and the like". The emails show that in 2011 Goldman Sachbs Morenz invested "substantially" more than $4million and joined Stratforbs board of directors. Throughout 2011, a complex offshore share structure extending as far as South Africa was erected, designed to make StratCap appear to be legally independent. But, confidentially, Friedman told StratFor staff: "Do not think of StratCap as an outside organisation. It will be integral... It will be useful to you if, for the sake of convenience, you think of it as another aspect of Stratfor and Shea as another executive in Stratfor... we are already working on mock portfolios and trades". StratCap is due to launch in 2012. The Stratfor emails reveal a company that cultivates close ties with US government agencies and employs former US government staff. It is preparing the 3-year Forecast for the Commandant of the US Marine Corps, and it trains US marines and "other government intelligence agencies" in "becoming government Stratfors". Stratforbs Vice-President for Intelligence, Fred Burton, was formerly a special agent with the US State Departmentbs Diplomatic Security Service and was their Deputy Chief of the counterterrorism division. Despite the governmental ties, Stratfor and similar companies operate in complete secrecy with no political oversight or accountability. Stratfor claims that it operates "without ideology, agenda or national bias", yet the emails reveal private intelligence staff who align themselves closely with US government policies and channel tips to the Mossad b including through an information mule in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Yossi Melman, who conspired with Guardian journalist David Leigh to secretly, and in violation of WikiLeaksb contract with the Guardian, move WikiLeaks US diplomatic cables to Israel. Ironically, considering the present circumstances, Stratfor was trying to get into what it called the leak-focused 'gravy train' that sprung up after WikiLeaksb Afghanistan disclosures: "Is it possible for us to get some of that bleak-focusedb gravy train? This is an obvious fear sale, so thatbs a good thing. And we have something to offer that the IT security companies donbt, mainly our focus on counter-intelligence and surveillance that Fred and Stick know better than anyone on the planet... Could we develop some ideas and procedures on the idea of B4leak-focusedb network security that focuses on preventing onebs own employees from leaking sensitive information... In fact, Ibm not so sure this is an IT problem that requires an IT solution." Like WikiLeaksb diplomatic cables, much of the significance of the emails will be revealed over the coming weeks, as our coalition and the public search through them and discover connections. Readers will find that whereas large numbers of Stratforbs subscribers and clients work in the US military and intelligence agencies, Stratfor gave a complimentary membership to the controversial Pakistan general Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistanbs ISI intelligence service, who, according to US diplomatic cables, planned an IED attack on international forces in Afghanistan in 2006. Readers will discover Stratforbs internal email classification system that codes correspondence according to categories such as balphab, btacticalb and bsecureb. The correspondence also contains code names for people of particular interest such as bIzziesb (members of Hezbollah), or bAdoggb (Mahmoud Ahmedinejad). Stratfor did secret deals with dozens of media organisations and journalists b from Reuters to the Kiev Post. The list of Stratforbs 'Confederation Partners' whom Stratfor internally referred to as its 'Confed Fuck House' are included in the release. While it is acceptable for journalists to swap information or be paid by other media organisations, because Stratfor is a private intelligence organisation that services governments and private clients these relationships are corrupt or corrupting. WikiLeaks has also obtained Stratforbs list of informants and, in many cases, records of its payoffs, including $1,200 a month paid to the informant 'Geronimo', handled by Stratforbs Former State Department agent Fred Burton. WikiLeaks has built an investigative partnership with more than 25 media organisations and activists to inform the public about this huge body of documents. The organisations were provided access to a sophisticated investigative database developed by WikiLeaks and together with WikiLeaks are conducting journalistic evaluations of these emails. Important revelations discovered using this system will appear in the media in the coming weeks, together with the gradual release of the source documents Also named are the main press partners working on this release: - Al Akhbar b Lebanon b http://english.al-akhbar.com - Al Masry Al Youm b Egypt b http://www.almasry-alyoum.com - Bivol b Bulgaria b http://bivol.bg - CIPER b Chile b http://ciperchile.cl - Dawn Media b Pakistan b http://www.dawn.com - LbEspresso b Italy b http://espresso.repubblica.it - La Repubblica b Italy b http://www.repubblica.it - La Jornada b Mexico b www.jornada.unam.mx/ - La Nacion b Costa Rica b http://www.nacion.com - Malaysia Today b Malaysia b www.malaysia-today.net - McClatchy b United States b http://www.mcclatchy.com - Nawaat b Tunisia b http://nawaat.org - NDR/ARD b Germany b http://www.ndr.de - Owni b France b http://owni.fr - Pagina 12 b Argentina b www.pagina12.com.ar - Plaza Publica b Guatemala b http://plazapublica.com.gt - Publico.es b Spain b www.publico.es - Rolling Stone b United States b http://www.rollingstone.com - Russia Reporter b Russia b http://rusrep.ru - Ta Nea b Greece b- http://www.tanea.gr - Taraf b Turkey b http://www.taraf.com.tr - The Hindu b India b www.thehindu.com - The Yes Men b Bhopal Activists b Global http://theyesmen.org - Nicky Hager for NZ Herald b New Zealand b http://www.nzherald.co.nz A press conference is going to take place at noon at the Frontline Club in central London. 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Re: [DIYbio] Re: Lethal Bird Flu Transmission Among Humans Now Possible Thanks to Biochemists
by ruphos 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:31 PM, EJ <ellenjorgensen(a)aol.com> wrote: > According to articles in Nature and Science, the thing that tipped the > scales in favor of publication was the discovery of natural flu variants > that were halfway towards the full complement of mutations necessary for > increased transmission. Who was so reckless to let that information slip? Now all those 'Merica-hating terrorists will be out stealing used tissues to get a jump on the game! -- "And if ye cannot be saints of knowledge, then be at least its warriors." -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "DIYbio" group. To post to this group, send email to diybio(a)googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to diybio+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/diybio?hl=en. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[drone-list] OT: Re: Corporate interests vs. state & local policies
by Gregory Foster 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My reply is off-topic, yhbw. On 3/21/13 1:02 AM, Al Mac Wow wrote: > [CREW] have done FOIA against practically every government agency > imaginable, to find out to what degree Corporate Citizens are running > the show. They have found that Lobbyists are involved in micro > managing every branch of government b legislative, judicial, > administrative b every department b every agency b at federal, state, > and local levels. As a private citizen that is actively involved in crafting legislation and lobbying elected officials, I resemble that remark. Generalizations are sometimes useful, but they always obscure the truth. And the truth is we need more citizen lobbying and less promotion of the belief that lobbying is a bad thing. After becoming actively involved in state politics, it's clear to me why lobbyists are able to exert influence that /prima facie/ seems problematic: without the assistance of lobbyists (corporate and citizen) there would be no way for our elected officials and their staffs to do the work that is expected of them. For example, during the current session in Texas there have been 5,723 bills filed in the House and Senate. The Representatives and Senators have five months to work through that load, which typically results in about 1,400 bills passed. Each Legislator has no more than ten fulltime staffers, often college interns, each with multiple far-flung areas of responsibility - not expertise. Legislators are expected to know all about the bills they have filed, the bills that pass through their committee assignments, and those that they finally vote on. Yet we feel justified ridiculing them if they do not, or if they follow guidance from their affiliated party. Lobbyists have influence because Legislators need all the help they can get. They appreciate it. And that is how that game is played. That means that you and I, should we choose, can play that game too. I encourage everyone on this list to try it out. gf -- Gregory Foster || gfoster(a)entersection.org @gregoryfoster <> http://entersection.com/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at companys(a)stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/drone-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[bitcoin-list] Bitcoin 0.3.12 is released
by theymos 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Someone on IRC said that they'd like to be notified of new versions through a mailing list, so I thought I'd start reposting Satoshi's version announcements here. Hopefully no one finds this annoying... http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=999.0 Version 0.3.12 is now available. Features: - json-rpc errors return a more standard error object. (thanks to Gavin Andresen) - json-rpc command line returns exit codes. - json-rpc "backupwallet" command. - Recovers and continues if an exception is caused by a message you received. Other nodes shouldn't be able to cause an exception, and it hasn't happened before, but if a way is found to cause an exception, this would keep it from being used to stop network nodes. If you have json-rpc code that checks the contents of the error string, you need to change it to expect error objects of the form {"code":<number>,"message":<string>}, which is the standard. See this thread: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=969.0 Download: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.12/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd _______________________________________________ bitcoin-list mailing list bitcoin-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[bitcoin-list] Bitcoin 0.3.12 is released
by theymos 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Someone on IRC said that they'd like to be notified of new versions through a mailing list, so I thought I'd start reposting Satoshi's version announcements here. Hopefully no one finds this annoying... http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=999.0 Version 0.3.12 is now available. Features: - json-rpc errors return a more standard error object. (thanks to Gavin Andresen) - json-rpc command line returns exit codes. - json-rpc "backupwallet" command. - Recovers and continues if an exception is caused by a message you received. Other nodes shouldn't be able to cause an exception, and it hasn't happened before, but if a way is found to cause an exception, this would keep it from being used to stop network nodes. If you have json-rpc code that checks the contents of the error string, you need to change it to expect error objects of the form {"code":<number>,"message":<string>}, which is the standard. See this thread: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=969.0 Download: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.12/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd _______________________________________________ bitcoin-list mailing list bitcoin-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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my periodic rant on quantum crypto
by Perry E. Metzger 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

/. is running yet another story on quantum cryptography today, with the usual breathless hype: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/12/133623 I'm especially unimpressed with the "Does this spell the end of the field of cryptography?" comment. For those who don't know much about what it is, "Quantum Cryptography" is a very expensive way of producing an unauthenticated link encryption device. It is useless for any application other than link encryption over a short distance and requires a dedicated optical fiber to work. QC has no properties that render it especially better for link encryption than, say, a box from one of several vendors running AES on the link instead. It is perhaps theoretically safer, but in practice no one is going to break AES either -- they're going to bribe the minimum wage guard at your colo to have 20 minutes alone with your box while they install a tap on the clear side of it (or worse, they'll slip in while the guard is asleep at his desk.) QC still requires link authentication (lest someone else other than the people you think you're talking to terminate your fiber instead). As a result of this, you can't really get rid of key management, so QC isn't going to buy you freedom from that. QC can only run over a dedicated fiber over a short run, where more normal mechanisms can work fine over any sort of medium -- copper, the PSTN, the internet, etc, and can operate without distance limitation. QC is fiendishly costly -- orders of magnitude more expensive than an AES based link encryption box. QC is extremely hard to test to assure there are no hardware or other failures -- given the key in use, I can use intercepted traffic to assure my AES link encryption box is working correctly, but I have no such mechanism for a QC box. On top of all of this, the real problems in computer security these days have nothing to do with stuff like how your link encryption box works and everything to do with stuff like buffer overflows, bad network architecture, etc. Given that what we're dealing with is a very limited technology that for a very high price will render you security that is at best not particularly better than what much more economical solutions will yield, why do people keep hyping this? Indeed, why do people buy these boxes, if indeed anyone is buying them? It is stunning that a lab curiosity continues to be mentioned over and over again, not to mention to see venture capitalists dump money after it. BTW, none of this has anything to do with "Quantum Computing", which may indeed yield breakthroughs someday in areas such as factoring but which is totally unrelated... Perry --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)metzdowd.com --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[IP] NORAD orders Web deletion of transcript]
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: NORAD orders Web deletion of transcript Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:43:53 -0500 From: Richard Forno <rforno(a)infowarrior.org> To: Dave Farber <dave(a)farber.net> NORAD orders Web deletion of transcript By Declan McCullagh http://news.com.com/NORAD+orders+Web+deletion+of+transcript/2100-1028_3-6048 254.html Story last modified Thu Mar 09 19:07:01 PST 2006 In an unusual follow-up to a public event, the Defense Department and the Transportation Security Administration have ordered that a transcript of an open hearing on aviation restrictions be yanked from the Web. Maj. Gen. M. Scott Mayes, the head of the North American air defense command, ordered the internal review that flagged the hearing's transcript as problematic and led to its deletion from a government Web site, CNET News.com has learned. The public hearing was held Jan. 18 at the Airport Marriott in Dulles, Va., and was discussed in local news reports. Its purpose was to ask for public opinions about recent airspace security restrictions near the nation's capital, which have cost local businesses some $45 million a year in lost revenue and have even prompted some general aviation pilots to move elsewhere. One of the pilots who testified was Lt. Cmdr. Tom Bush, a U.S. Navy F-18 Hornet pilot who also flies a small civilian plane and said he was speaking as a private individual. "Freedom and security are polar opposites, and I am not willing to give up my freedom for the sake of terrorists," Bush said during the hearing, according to a report at AviationNow.com. The report also said Bush suggested the airspace restrictions were irrational because a terrorist could pretend to fly through the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) to nearby Dulles airport, make a right-hand turn at the last minute, and be over downtown Washington, D.C., in four minutes. The ADIZ is a ring stretching almost 40 miles around Washington, D.C. "There may be some operational security concerns with the time line he laid out," Michael Kucharek, the chief of media relations for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said in a telephone interview Thursday. Kucharek said that "there were some operational security concerns revealed by this person who had knowledge but appeared as a public citizen, which we think was out of line. The disclosure of that information could go directly to national security concerns." The Bush administration has been criticized in the past by open government advocates for its aggressive efforts to avoid the disclosure of information that historically has been public. In 2003, the U.S. Army surreptitiously pulled the plug on one of its more popular Web sites after a report embarrassing to the military appeared on it. In another example, the names of the members of the Defense Science Board--an obscure but influential advisory body that influences military policy and had a budget of $3.6 million a year--have vanished from the group's public Web site. The 369-page transcript of the event (part 1 and part 2), previously posted on the Federal Aviation Administration's Web site, has been replaced with a notice saying it is "presently unavailable." Lt. Cmdr. Bush could not be reached for comment. One pilot who was at the hearing reported that Bush said that Americans kicked out the British, tamed the West, won two World Wars, put a man on the moon--and should start acting like it. Some pilots expressed skepticism that Bush disclosed anything sensitive and suggested that the deletion was because he criticized the government's security apparatus. Representatives from NORAD, TSA, FAA, the Department of Homeland Security, the Secret Service, and Customs and Border Protection were on the panel hearing testimony and remained silent during Bush's testimony. "The fact that TSA is an out of control dysfunctional agency is a given, so it may be just another example of their ongoing buffoonery," wrote Lee Schiek, the manager of Maryland's College Park Airport, in an e-mail message on Thursday. "On the other hand, this could be an attempt to rewrite history to minimize the public record sentiment regarding the ADIZ. In any event, since its inception, TSA has consistently demonstrated their inability to do the right thing, and this latest example should not go unchallenged." The ADIZ is opposed by general aviation pilots--that is, pilots who fly smaller aircraft such as a Cessna, Mooney or Piper--because it imposes strict security rules that increase bureaucracy and can overload air traffic controllers. It was created as a supposedly temporary measure after Sept. 11, 2001, but the Bush administration has suggested that it become permanent. Over 21,300 comments, almost entirely critical of the ADIZ, were filed in the FAA proceeding that led to January's public hearing in Virginia. Many comments said that a terrorist could easily defeat the purpose of the ADIZ by filing the paperwork, talking to air traffic controllers, and then turning toward Washington, D.C. at the last moment. Others said it was odd to worry about general aviation aircraft that typically have two to six seats and can carry less than most SUVs. The FAA said Thursday the transcript might be restored soon. It is being reviewed "and no final decisions have been made," FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said. 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[OT] web site for annual surveillance states conferences
by Scott Bennett 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Here's some food for thought. http://www.issworldtraining.com/ISS_WASH/ Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[OT] web site for annual surveillance states conferences
by Scott Bennett 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Here's some food for thought. http://www.issworldtraining.com/ISS_WASH/ Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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