May 2005 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
by Steve Thompson 11 May '05

11 May '05

--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Yeah...it's pretty fuckin' pointless. Tantamount to proving a guy > pointing a > gun at you is actually pointing a gun at you, TO the guy pointing the > gun at > you. Oh, I don't know about that. What about proving that someone is pointing a [gun] at you, who has already lets you know he's pointing a [gun] at you via deniable means of some kind, but who categorically denies such when asked about it directly. In that vague scenario, I would imagine that there is some utility in proving conclusively that someone is pointing a [gun] at you if only to warn others around you about the threat. I, of course, live a similar scenario. The main difference is that it is a group with a somewhat unethical agenda that poses the threat, and who swear up and down that (a) they are all really, really nice people, and (b) that they have no actual interest in my affairs. Both assertions are quite false, but proving it is another matter -- and difficult too, given the ignorance and stupidity currently in fashion at the moment. But I don't mean to provoke an off-topic discussion in this thread. Please do carry on. Regards, Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by John Kelsey 11 May '05

11 May '05

>From: Justin <justin-cypherpunks(a)soze.net> >Sent: May 9, 2005 3:55 PM >To: cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net >Subject: Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave(a)farber.net) ... >What do we need "security" for? We need security because a lot of >people hate the U.S., and because we won't close our borders, and >because society has become too diverse. Drivers license security is being pursued because a bunch of people want to be able to reliably use drivers licenses as ID cards for their own purposes. That can be for TSA screening of passneger names (though I think it's fantasy to imagine that this will really prevent terrorists from flying, and it has endless creepy totalitarian uses), or for making it harder to get a bank account without submitting your true name so you get taxed and monitored, or making it easier for the folks running various "preferred shopper" card programs to make you give them the right information, or keeping you from reselling your airline tickets. (Note that the whole market segmentation/price discrimination scheme that this threatened has basically died by now, but we're still stuck with binding names to airline tickets.) >There is a significant correlation between cultural >diversity/proximity and social unrest. That does not require people >of different races; put white klansmen next to white members of the >Black Panthers and you have the same thing. This is *very* dependent on the cultures in question. For the most part, Japanese and Korean immigrants (to take a couple easy examples) make wonderful neighbors, though they're members of a different race and culture and often a different religion. On the other hand, turn of the century Irish immigrants were English-speaking Christians, but they made nightmarish neighbors. And neither of those have much to do with terrorism (as opposed to low-level crime, public drunkenness, imported criminal gangs, etc.). The Irish in the US have never been much of a terrorist threat, though things are very different in the UK! >None of those three core problems will be solved by RealID. >Therefore, while RealID may make some difference at the margins, it >cannot be very effective. Well, it depends on what your goal is. If your goal is harder-to-forge drivers licenses for all kinds of good and bad purposes, then it may help. If your goal is seriously stopping terrorism or shutting down illegal immigration, it probably won't have much of an impact. --John

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Erectile Dysfunction ruining your sex life?
by Williams Pack 11 May '05

11 May '05

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Jesus Christ Meets "Your Papers Please" (fwd)
by J.A. Terranson 10 May '05

10 May '05

If you think this is stupid, just wait till the "Real ID Act" takes effect. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF "What this country needs is a good old fashioned nuclear enema." http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/10/jesus.lawsuit.ap/index.html Jesus Christ in legal battle to get license Tuesday, May 10, 2005 Posted: 7:58 AM EDT (1158 GMT) CHARLESTON, West Virginia (AP) -- Even Jesus Christ can't circumvent the rules for getting a driver's license in West Virginia. Attempts to prove his name really is Christ have led the man born as Peter Robert Phillips Jr. through a lengthy legal battle and a recent victory in the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. "This all started with him expressing his faith and his respect and love for Jesus Christ," attorney A.P. Pishevar told The Associated Press. "Now he needs to document it for legal reasons." Described by his attorney as a white-haired businessman in his mid-50s, Christ is moving to West Virginia to enjoy a slower lifestyle. He bought property near Lost River, about 100 miles west of Washington, and has a U.S. passport, Social Security card and Washington driver's license bearing the name Jesus Christ. But he still falls short of West Virginia title and license transfer requirements because his Florida birth certificate has his original name on it and he has been unable to obtain an official name change in Washington. "We just need official documentation that that's his name," said Doug Stump, commissioner of the West Virginia Division of Motor Vehicles. "He will be treated no different than anybody else." Christ applied for the legal name change in May 2003, but it was denied by District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Tim Murphy because "taking the name of Jesus Christ may provoke a violent reaction or may significantly offend people." In his appeal, Christ's attorney argued that Phillips had changed his name to Jesus Christ 15 years earlier, and "has been using the name since then without incident." The appeals court last month sent the name-change proposal back to the lower court, saying some required hearings in the case had not been held. Any comment from the man in the middle of this legal tussle? "Christ is not speaking to the press at this time," Pishevar said.

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Re: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
by Gil Hamilton 10 May '05

10 May '05

>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) >From: marc guttman <marc_guttman(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: rationalchatter(a)yahoogroups.com >To: rationalchatter(a)yahoogroups.com, thefamilyguttman(a)yahoogroups.com >Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th > >This is an interesting trial. Men with guns. > >Tessa and Larken Rose may be sent to jail. > >Watch 3 min. - video - http://www.861.info/tessa.html > >Trial starts July 11th. There is a petition to encourage that it be >videotaped. While anyone can empathize with their desire not to pay taxes and many of us can even disagree with the moral justification for taxes, these people are idiots. Their entire case boils down to quibbles over arguably poorly worded regulations. And even if you take their argument at face value, if you go read the sections of the Code of Federal Regulations they cite, they're just plain wrong: they're willfully misreading the plain language of the regulations. (Okay, "plain language" is probably not the right phrase to apply to any part of the CFR, but...) They're definitely going down; probably to jail, but at the least they'll be subject to massive fines, property seizures, etc. "Nothing to see here, folks; move along." GH _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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[Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
by Eugen Leitl 09 May '05

09 May '05

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[rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
by J.A. Terranson 09 May '05

09 May '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: marc guttman <marc_guttman(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: rationalchatter(a)yahoogroups.com To: rationalchatter(a)yahoogroups.com, thefamilyguttman(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th This is an interesting trial. Men with guns. Tessa and Larken Rose may be sent to jail. Watch 3 min. - video - http://www.861.info/tessa.html Trial starts July 11th. There is a petition to encourage that it be videotaped. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

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by Maria Pitts 09 May '05

09 May '05

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by Tracy North 09 May '05

09 May '05

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[IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by Eugen Leitl 09 May '05

09 May '05

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