November 2005 - cypherpunks-legacy

[goodell@eecs.harvard.edu: use of routing information in anti-fraud mechanisms]
by Eugen Leitl 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

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28 Nov '05

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems
by cyphrpunk 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

One other point with regard to Daniel Nagy's paper at http://www.epointsystem.org/~nagydani/ICETE2005.pdf A good way to organize papers like this is to first present the desired properties of systems like yours (and optionally show that other systems fail to meet one or more of these properties); then to present your system; and finally to go back through and show how your system meets each of the properties, perhaps better than any others. This paper is lacking that last step. It would be helpful to see the epoint system evaluated with regard to each of the listed properties. In particular I have concerns about the finality and irreversibility of payments, given that the issuer keeps track of each token as it progresses through the system. Whenever one token is exchanged for a new one, the issuer records and publishes the linkage between the new token and the old one. This public record is what lets people know that the issuer is not forging tokens at will, but it does let the issuer, and possibly others, track payments as they flow through the system. This could be grounds for reversibility in some cases, although the details depend on how the system is implemented. It would be good to see a critical analysis of how epoints would maintain irreversibility, as part of the paper. CP

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[Clips] A new use for anonymous digital cash -prior art
by R. A. Hettinga 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: clips(a)philodox.com Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:29:01 -0500 To: "Philodox Clips List" <clips(a)philodox.com> From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: [Clips] A new use for anonymous digital cash -prior art Reply-To: rah(a)philodox.com Sender: clips-bounces(a)philodox.com --- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:04:49 +1300 From: igdm lgd <igdmlgd(a)gmail.com> To: rah(a)philodox.com, rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: A new use for anonymous digital cash -prior art Recently I mailed a request for reexamination of the Amazon "One-Click" patent, which you can download from <http://igdmlgd.blogspot.com>igdmlgd.blogspot.com -using DigiCash as prior art. Thought you might be interested Any comments or criticism would be good Cheers Peter --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _______________________________________________ Clips mailing list Clips(a)philodox.com http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[dave@farber.net: [IP] more on New US intelligence center to exploit publicly available information]
by Eugen Leitl 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> -----

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Re: "Copying"...what does that mean?
by Major Variola (ret) 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

At 11:30 PM 11/21/05 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: >This reminds me of something else: to a computer, playing is simply a >form of copying, the output is simply a video card and/or sound card. >Isn't this is, in fact, what makes computers so powerful, that they >simply obey instructions without asking questions? Isn't this why every >attempt to block "unauthorized" copying has failed in the end, because >the reality is that if it can be played, it can be copied, because >playing *is* copying from the point of view of the computer programs? The most hilarious thing is when a web site "prohibits" copying, even though to view it, you've copied it to your disk. More hilarious is when javascript is used to prevent saving images. Even if you get the OS to obey, there are always cheap cameras. An older videocam can be used to copy a movie off your screen (like a first gen cassette) even if all the video D/As are 0wned by the MPAA and forced to have DRM. (Don't think it can happen? Look at CALEA & Skype, etc.)

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Re: "Copying"...what does that mean? Sony's techno-sharia
by Major Variola (ret) 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

At 12:41 AM 11/26/05 +0000, Dave Howe wrote: >Major Variola (ret) wrote: An older videocam can be used to copy >> a movie off your screen (like a first gen cassette) even if >> all the video D/As are 0wned by the MPAA and forced >> to have DRM. (Don't think it can happen? Look at >> CALEA & Skype, etc.) >Aren't the majority of 0-day "copies" of just released movies camcorder >recordings from inside a cinema? Yes --the analog hole is alive and well. But in an Orwellian future, the movies have signals that disable the camcorders. Think macrovision for theatres. Think "copy flag" for video acquisition devices. Think CALEA for PGPfone :-) There are already patented plans to display the images such that the eye doesn't notice, but camcorders will record flicker. There are means to go around this, of course. See watermarking/steganography. (Not you, DH, just random readers seeking more) Of course, future *Sony* camcorders will *burst into flames* if you try to record such... techno-sharia, steal a copy, lose your fingers. Oh, but Sony would never do something *irresponsible and dangerous* like that...

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[Clips] Dutch Court Orders Lycos To Reveal Client's Identity
by R. A. Hettinga 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

"Regulatory Arbitrage" continues to go the way of "Devine Right of Kings"... Cheers, RAH ------ --- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: clips(a)philodox.com Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:59:27 -0500 To: Philodox Clips List <clips(a)philodox.com> From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: [Clips] Dutch Court Orders Lycos To Reveal Client's Identity Reply-To: rah(a)philodox.com Sender: clips-bounces(a)philodox.com <http://online.wsj.com/article_print/BT-CO-20051125-002595.html> The Wall Street Journal November 25, 2005 11:27 a.m. EST Dutch Court Orders Lycos To Reveal Client's Identity DOW JONES NEWSWIRES November 25, 2005 11:27 a.m. -- THE HAGUE (AP)--The Dutch Supreme Court Friday ordered Internet company Lycos Europe NV (LCY.XE) to reveal the identity of a client in a benchmark decision on privacy that was praised by copyright groups as a way to go after illegal swapping of music and movies online. It is the first ruling of its kind in the Netherlands on Internet privacy and could have far-reaching consequences for other Internet providers. The country's highest court ruled that Lycos wrongly protected the identity of a user who anonymously posted slanderous allegations against an Internet postage stamp dealer on a member site. The dealer, who traded stamps on auction site Ebay Inc. (EBAY), was accused of cheating buyers. The claimant, identified in court documents only as A. Pessers, took Lycos to court in 2003, seeking the details of its client so he could seek financial damages allegedly resulting from the allegations. Supreme Court spokesman Steven Bakker said the court found Pessers' claim of having suffered damages sufficient to order Lycos to release the client's name and address, even though no criminal offense had been committed. It issued a sweeping rejection of Lycos' argument that personal client details should only be released if they are suspected of a crime and the information is wanted by the police. "The court considers it probable that the information posted on the Web site is illegal and damaging to Pessers," the ruling said. "Pessers has a genuine interest in obtaining the client's details and there is no other way to obtain them." The Brain Institute, which represents the global entertainment industry in the Netherlands, said in a statement that the ruling will enable it to seek damages from people who illegally swap copyrighted software, music and movies over the Internet. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _______________________________________________ Clips mailing list Clips(a)philodox.com http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: "Copying"...what does that mean?
by Major Variola (ret) 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

At 12:46 PM 11/22/05 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: >As I said before, if a "sample" is copying, how small a sample are we >talking about? Look-->0101 >I sampled Britney and that's what I got. I'm therefore copying and could go >to jail. I probably won't go to jail, though, unless I eat into someone's >profits or piss off individuals in the government. "Five" is too short to be copyrightable. A longer segment would be. I once asked, can Intel's "ding dong dong-dong-dong" be copyrighted? The answer is essentially, to be a glib information theoriest, if the chances of picking that sequence are sufficiently small. Of course, given that its humanly perceptable, shifting the whole sequence by a large number of Hz is also irrelevant, since humans (except for pitch-perfect folks) will perceive it as the same. OTOH, a parodist can use perfect copies if the context distinguishes the content.

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