June 2004 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Liberty Dollar
by Gary Jeffers 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My fellow Cypherpunks, The Liberty Dollar My fellow Cypherpunks, I think I may have some really great news here, but you all can check it out to be sure. I found an alternative money on the Internet. It is called the Liberty Dollar. The Internet site is: http://www.norfed.org NORFED is The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code. The money is backed by silver and gold and can be redeemed widely in America. As many of you know, the $US is a corrupt, proprietary, debt issued, fait, fractional reserved,illegal, unconstituional, U. S. State enforced monopoly currency. As corrupt as it is I don't know why it hasn't already collasped and dragged us down with it! If the Liberty Dollar is honest and robust, then it may be the vehical to beat the elite bankers tyranny and give us an honest wealth produced money. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE !!!!

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RE: Cypherpunks IQ Test
by Aimee Farr 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Mike: Are you often the victim of mercenary females? > -----Original Message----- > From: mmotyka(a)lsil.com [mailto:mmotyka@lsil.com] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:28 PM > To: aimee.farr(a)pobox.com > Subject: Cypherpunks IQ Test > > > It's an obvious setup. The woods are part of a defense installation, > apple is filled with coke, the girl is underage, the woods are full of > trigger happy fibbies. > > You hit the ground and roll into the brush, drawing on the way. You > attempt to locate opponents and identify the safest route away from the > situation. > > Mike > > > >CYPHERPUNKS IQ TEST > > > >QUESTION #1. > > > >You are walking through the woods alone. A beautiful unclothed woman > >magically appears in front of you. She holds out an apple. > > > >1. Please darken in the correct choice using a Number Two pencil: > > > >(a) you bite the apple. > >(b) you take the woman. > >(c) you run away. > >(d) a and b, but not c. > >(e) b and c only. > >(f) all of the above. > >(g) none of the above. > > > >2. Please justify your answer: > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________. > > > > > >Just curious.... > > > > -Aimee

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More on "new physics"
by Tim May 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Someone sent me a private note. I have deleted his name for this public reply. > Tim May wrote: > > >> The "new physics" stuff is quite different. It is scorned in a way >> that plate tectonics was not, and for good reason. Folks should visit >> Bearden's site. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/index.html > > I did. Oh, dear. > > Not sure what is supposed to be denoted by "Tesla physics", but Tesla's > work with power transmission via HF is fascinating, even if there was > apparently no practical or safe use for it. No one disputes the outstanding work Tesla did on a.c. transmission. And anyone who has seen or used a Tesla coil knows how real it is. "Tesla physics" is all the cruft that has developed around some of his more obscure (and late) writings, usually mixed together with stuff Tesla could not have known about at the time of his death. To wit, the stuff about zero point energy and perpetual motion machines. And, sometimes, mixed together with the usual nutcase stuff about the Hollow Earth theory (zeta reticulans colonizing the hollow earth, Greys, underground UFO bases, secret Nazi weapons, etc.). Tesla is a hero to these "new physics" nuts, even though nothing Tesla ever worked on or built contradicts in the slightest way the predictions of Maxwell's theories. They take Tesla's very real contributions and some of his weirder theories (though none of them so weird as the Hollow Earth/antigravity/time reversal theories of modern nutters) and say that this means "They laughed at Tesla, they laugh at me!" BTW, I was/am an early ("angel") investor in a company doing work on ultrawideband transmissions. Some of the works Bearden cites, like those of Barrett, are familiar to me and others with this company. Saying that there is a role for ultrawideband pulse technology, a la spread spectrum and beyond SS, is NOT the same as saying there are confirmed "problems" with electromagnetic theory. There may be, and there are a handful of folks doing "foundational" work in E&M, but, so far, there are no indications that their foundational work is changing any engineering calculations. Quite the contrary, in my view. Electromagnetic theory basically "works"--to many decimal places of accuracy. Circuits work as expected, antennas work as expected, and there are no "unexplained observations" (as usually exist before a new theory arrives). There may be some _semantic_ issues, e.g., does a square wave or impulse "really" have components that were sent out _before_ the square wave or impulse? (A Fourier decomposition of a square wave starting at time t = 0 has "sine wave components" spread out over time and adding up in such a way as to give the square wave, or the impulse, or any other signal. Some think this means deep and mysterious things are happening, something having to do with time travel and reversing the aging process, blah blah blah. Henning Harmuth may write fairly eloquently about the "dogma of the circle" and how the Fourier decomposition of a signal into (allegedly) a near-infinite series of sine waves is "not real," but for all intents and purposes it all works. And the "new physics" people like Bearden go way beyond what Harmuth and Barrett are talking about: they bring in "curved space-time" and gravitation and antigravity and the ultra-weird notion that aging can be reversed by "pumping the conjugate time-axis of the Minkowski manifold" (OK, I made this up...don't have time to lift one of Bearden's direct quotes...and this will help train me in the jargon if I ever become a "new physicist."). Nut cases like Bearden have the patter of physics down. Very few actual physicists waste their time dissecting and refuting Bearden for obvious reasons. I urge readers of this list not to waste time on this stuff. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787

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Re: A Trial Balloon to Ban Email?
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

At 09:57 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: >Yes, but how will you stop the spammer from double spending the same $0.25 >micropayment on all of his 170,000 email addresses? Depending on whether >you check that there is a payment attached or not, and also check it with >the bank before delivering it, you'd have already wasted your bandwith and >possibly have accepted a spam into your mail spool. It is true that the notions of micropayments as applied to spam (that I'm familiar with, at least) would require that the email recipient check with the bank to detect doublespending. This would introduce an additional delay before delivery from unknown senders, yes, but I fail to see how it would impose an unacceptable cost in bandwidth or CPU usage. Spammers could still try the same-micropayment-a-million-times route, just as they could try to spam without micropayments, but if their email is rejected in sufficient quantities, the cost to the spammer would outweigh the benefits. The key is achieving sufficient quantities. -Declan

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Re: AP Al Qaeda
by mattd 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

>>No, no. AP is funny because it's impracticeable. One does not find an assassin exclusively by tracing who paid him to kill. One can (and often does) find him because he makes a mistake in the act of commiting the crime. Which, if I'm >>reading my history right, is what's hampered the noisy proponents of AP up to this point already. Crime? Wot crime,guvnor? Jim and CJ were not 'noisy'.imo. Im a bit noisy cos Im pushing the 'let it all hang out' version. >The point is that Bell's theory does a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination,...< Oh THATS funny.I get it. HAHAHA! >>Killing one person, especially a public official, pisses a whole bunch of people off. Those people have a tendency to come find their buddy's killer. Mmm,where do we start,lets get some firebrands and go up to the proffrs? Look at sites with no logs for quad anon 'predictors' who may be overseas briefly visiting cybercafes,Good luck china.(you just contradicted yrself btw.) Oh,unless you mean the torture/french village reprisal thang.Win friends and influence people. The one person killed will have had to have done a lot of evil shit to get enough pooled (presumably) to tempt a seasoned pro.Unless some professional killer turns all altruistic,stranger things have happened.The killer could be suicidal.another possibility.Lots of scenarios possible here,movie scripts,even.Pop songs,video games.DoCoMo assasinphones. Someone like a torturer,murderer,terrorist,pedophile is a logical candidate.(stephen roach?)Sometimes these happen to be public officials.Theres one here where I live named dennis Tanner.(vic.au) Those killers by remote control like arbusto might be be made more accountable. What better way than...Bell's theory, "a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination"according to you. KILL THE PRESIDENT! "Id buy that for a dollar!" >>No kind of real or threatened assassination can weaken a government in which a majority of the governed people >believe. It can only make it seem more righteous and be more strong. Thats true,roll over and go back to sleep,if you live under that govt you have nothing to worry about. More righteous and more smug.

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[Lucrative-L] double spends, identity agnosticism, and Lucrative
by R. A. Hettinga 20 May '05

20 May '05

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Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi
by Major Variola (ret) 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

At 06:27 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: >On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >> >> Eventually the cellphones will be able to tell another phone approx >> where they are. Remember the 911-locator fascism? > >I hate to break the news to you Major, but GPS enabled phones cannot be >instructed to turn off the GPS feature for law enforcement queries (e.g., >911). Turn it on or turn it off, makes no matter. Sir, I do not own a cellphone. Do any models let YOU decide to send your location to ANOTHER phone? Do any models even let YOU know your OWN approx location (to within that 100m Fedfascist standard)? I'm fully aware the pigs track you unless the battery is removed or you have a TEMPEST case. I'm suggesting that regular citizens will have access to that, if (in my cluelessness) they don't already.

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Govt explores bonds to tap black money
by R. A. Hettinga 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

<http://inhome.rediff.com/cms/print.jsp?docpath=/money/2004/jun/30bud.htm> Rediff.com Govt explores bonds to tap black money P Vaidyanathan Iyer in New Delhi | June 30, 2004 | 08:13 IST The finance ministry is exploring the option of launching long-tenure bearer bonds or infrastructure bonds to unearth unaccounted money and use it to fund the country's development needs.? According to government sources, unlike the Voluntary Disclosure of Income Scheme, 1999, the bearer bonds will not provide amnesty to tax evaders. While the revenue department would not seek any details on the origin of funds being invested in bearer bonds, it would be free to go after money launderers in the future, they said.? The funds raised through the bearer bonds could be locked in for a long tenure, say 10 years, the sources said. Tax experts noted that the Centre could offer a nominal interest on the bonds.? "Such a scheme can partially suck out the unaccounted money in circulation and simultaneously help the government fund its development programmes," a source said.? While the ministry possesses only dated information on the quantum of black money in the country based on a study by the National Institute of Public Finance and Policy in the early 1980s, independent estimates put the figure at as much as 40 per cent of the gross national product.? Tax experts said except for VDIS 1997, other amnesty schemes failed to generate a response.? Five amnesty schemes in the past have yielded not more than Rs 700 crore (Rs 7 billion), they pointed out, adding that Yashwant Sinha's Kar Vivad Samadhan Scheme, too, came in for severe criticism from the Comptroller and Auditor General.? The experts noted that a bearer bond scheme was last launched in 1980-81 when R Venkataraman was finance minister. The scheme offered an interest rate of 2 per cent and the money was locked in for 10 years.? The Congress government under Indira Gandhi had raised almost Rs 1,000 crore (Rs 10 billion) then, equivalent to Rs 10,000 crore (Rs 100 billion) at today's prices.? The National Democratic Alliance government, too, had discussed a bond scheme two years ago to raise funds for the infrastructure sector.? Preliminary discussions were held with some financial institutions but the idea was dropped later due to lack of consensus.? The United Progressive Alliance's Common Minimum Programme unveiled in May too had called for introduction of special schemes to unearth black money and assets. This was being seen as an additional measure to increase tax revenues. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Third announcement ECC 2004
by R. A. Hettinga 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

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TCG(TCPA) anonymity and Lucky Green
by An Metet 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

On August 6, 2002, Lucky Green wrote a reply to Anonymous (whom I will now come clean and admit was none other than me), about the suggestion that TCPA (now called TCG) could incorporate anonymous cryptographic credentials to protect users' privacy, rather than the cumbersome "privacy CA" mechanism they actually adopted. I had written: > In any case, I agree that something like this would be an > excellent enhancement to the technology. IMO it is very much > in the spirit of TCPA. I suspect they would be very open to > this suggestion. Lucky Green replied: > Though routinely professing otherwise, evidently Anonymous knows nothing > of the spirit of the TCPA: I proposed the use of blinding schemes to the > TCPA as far back as 2 years ago as a substitute to the Privacy CAs > schemes which are subject to potential collusion. I believe > "unreceptive", rather than "very much open to this suggestion" would > more accurately describe the TCPA's spirit Anonymous holds so high. However, it now turns out that TCG has in fact incorporated exactly the kind of mechanism which Lucky predicted they would be unreceptive to. The new TCG 1.2 spec includes "Direct Anonymous Attestation" based on Camenisch credentials. See it described at http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2004/HPL-2004-93.pdf. Here is the abstract: This paper describes the direct anonymous attestation scheme (DAA). This scheme was adopted by the Trusted Computing Group as the method for remote authentication of a hardware module, called trusted platform module (TPM), while preserving the privacy of the user of the platform that contains the module. Direct anonymous attestation can be seen as a group signature without the feature that a signature can be opened, i.e., the anonymity is not revocable. Moreover, DAA allows for pseudonyms, i.e., for each signature a user (in agreement with the recipient of the signature) can decide whether or not the signature should be linkable to another signature. DAA furthermore allows for detection of "known" keys: if the DAA secret keys are extracted from a TPM and published, a verifier can detect that a signature was produced using these secret keys. The scheme is provably secure in the random oracle model under the strong RSA and the decisional Diffie-Hellman assumption. This is a real cryptographic tour de force. It protects privacy, includes irrevocable anonymity, and yet if keys get pulled out of the system and published, they can be invalidated, even while fully protecting the anonymity of users of valid keys! It sounds impossible, but these guys are wizards. We haven't heard much from Lucky on TCG/TCPA lately. It would be interesting to get his reaction to the latest moves. One ironic trend is that although TCPA was claimed to be designed to kill open source, in fact all the work on the technology is happening on Linux! See enforcer.sourceforge.net for an example of using TCG to validate a Linux kernel and executables. IBM's work on tcgLinux is another project along these lines. Pretty exciting stuff.

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