October 2004 - cypherpunks-legacy

FATF cracks down on cash movements
by R.A. Hettinga 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

<http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200410250404.htm> Philstar.com - The Filipino Global Community HEADLINE NEWS FATF cracks down on cash movements By Des Ferriols The Philippine Star 10/25/2004 The Paris-based Financial Action Task Force (FATF) against money laundering has passed a new measure requiring countries to crack down on the movement of cash across borders. The measure came in the wake of the scandal involving Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia, whose two sons were apprehended by US Customs personnel for failure to declare $100,000 in cash as they entered the US through Los Angeles in December last year. Officials said they expected the Philippines' Anti-Money Laundering Council (AMLC) to use the Garcia case as an example in persuading Congress to pass new legislative measures that would strengthen the Anti-Money Laundering Act (AMLA). Meeting for its October plenary session, the FATF passed a measure known as Special Recommendation IX calling on countries to stop cross-border movements of currency and monetary instruments related to terrorist financing and money laundering. The FATF said countries should confiscate such funds while sharing information on the movement of illicit cash related to terrorist financing or money laundering. "We want to put an end to cash smuggling used to fund terrorism and criminal activities," said FATF president Jean-Louis Fort. "We're going to make it tougher to move terrorist money across borders and make it harder for terrorists to operate." According to Fort, the FATF would now require countries to institute measures to detect the physical cross-border transportation of currency and bearer-negotiable financial instruments. This would include a declaration system or other disclosure obligation. The FATF's Recommendation IX also required countries to ensure that their competent authorities have the legal muscle to stop or restrain currency or bearer-negotiable instruments that are suspected to be related to terrorist financing or money laundering, or that are falsely declared or disclosed. "Countries should ensure that effective, proportionate and dissuasive sanctions are available to deal with persons who make false declaration(s) or disclosure(s)," the FATF said. "In cases where the currency or bearer negotiable instruments are related to terrorist financing or money laundering, countries should also adopt measures, including legislative ones consistent with Recommendation III and Special Recommendation III, which would enable the confiscation of such currency or instruments." During the meeting, the FATF announced that it was withdrawing the counter-measures against Myanmar and Nauru, as these countries have now introduced new measures to remedy anti-money laundering deficiencies. The FATF said Myanmar enacted rules for the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Law on Oct. 14, while the rich island nation of Nauru has taken several significant steps to ensure that offshore banks previously licensed in Nauru no longer exist and no longer conduct banking activity there. However, both countries will remain on the list of non-cooperative countries and territories (NCCTs) until they address the remaining deficiencies and adequately implement the necessary laws, the FATF said. Fort also said the FATF welcomed the additional progress made by the Cook Islands, Indonesia and the Philippines, confirming that the task force planned to visit these countries to confirm the effective implementation of their reforms. The current list of NCCT countries includes: The Cook Islands, Indonesia, Myanmar, Nauru, Nigeria and the Philippines. The FATF said these countries would be delisted after working towards ensuring that they were implementing effective anti-money laundering/counter-terrorist financing systems. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[IP] TSA Says It Can Decide Who Can Learn (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by Eugen Leitl 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

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Re: Airport insanity
by Tyler Durden 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

Let us not forget the more tangible 'value' in bombing the WTC and messing up things downtown. First of all, the companies in the WTC were, to say the least, impacted (actually, the company I work for lost 11 people and relocated to NJ for about a year)....hitting them (and their workers) was probably not considered "collateral damage" by Al Qaeda, any more than bombing German or japanese urban production centers was considered that for the allies in WWII. Next comes the financial district and Wall Street as a whole. The third (and as it turned out by far the most impactful) was the destruction of the Telecom Central Office in #4 World Trade Center, along with bringing off-line the big Verizon CO across the street. These actually caused Wall Street to be knocked off line for several days, an impact that is hard to underestimate. And while I suspect that Al-Qaeda were probably unaware in advance of the impact on Telecom, the rest was certainly a conscious decision. -TD >From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl(a)mfn.org> >To: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> >CC: "cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net> >Subject: Re: Airport insanity >Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:14:22 -0500 (CDT) > >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: > > > "James A. Donald" > > > > All of the terrorists came from countries that were > > > > beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi > > > > Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were > > > > Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not the two > > > > towers, then they would be defending themselves. > > > > John Kelsey > > > I'm still trying to understand the moral theory on which you > > > differentiate hitting the two towers from the Oklaholma City > > > bombing. > > > > The pentagon did not have a branch office in the two towers. > > BATF had an office in the Murrah building. > >Bzzzt! Try again. > >There were a number of federales in the towers, INCLUDING atf, all the >various branches of the armed services, and a large number of spook proxy >points. > > > > > So they killed a whole bunch of people, most of whom had > > > nothing to do with what they opposed, but surely including > > > people who were doing business with Saudi Arabia and Israel. > > > > Was McViegh targeting people who do business with BATF? > > > > Besides which the terrorists did not target them for doing > > business with Israel, but for "World Trade" - globalization and > > all that. > >Personal knowledge? > >-- >Yours, > >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin(a)mfn.org >0xBD4A95BF > > "An ill wind is stalking > while evil stars whir > and all the gold apples > go bad to the core" > > S. Plath, Temper of Time _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx

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Re: Airport insanity
by Tyler Durden 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

WOW! Let's examine your little clip here. >Tyler Durden > > "Care to Avoid harming Muslims"? Your statement was that the US took special care in avoiding harm to Muslims. In this case we have Muslims tortured at Guantanamo and now angry as hell. And you expected...what? >http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041018-124854-2279r.htm >: : Despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to >: : renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners >: : of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have >: : returned to terrorism, at times with deadly >: : consequences. Wow! Tortured prisoners signed statements and then went back on their promises? The nerve! Note the incredible linguistic bias. "Returned to terrorism?...That's a laughable statement for people who returned to their own country to fight an invader. And the word "Despite" it's arguable even more hilarious. And of course, your quote of this piece in this context points to your ever-present logic of "They're more evil than we are therefore it's OK if we fuck them over". >: : Additional former detainees have expressed a desire >: : to rejoin the fight, be it against U.N. peacekeepers >: : in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq or Russian >: : soldiers in Chechnya. Hum. Muislims helping Muslims to push the US or Russians out of their occupied countries. I've seen worse uses for religion. But more importantly, are you seeing where this is headed? Let's forget differing ideologies and get really, really practical here. If you or I were grabbed in our own country and brought 7000 miles away, and then tortured for 2 years, wouldn't you most likely become convinced that the torturing nation was a great evil that had to be stopped? Even more, what if your life sucked in your own country and you didn't have a lot to live for anyway? The violence sown by Western powers will continue to result in further Septemeber 11ths. Simply increasing the scope or intensity (a la Iraq II) isn't going to make things better. -TD > > --digsig > James A. Donald > 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG > gZPWnxSpOCzn/7t/pyram/Z9ixbExE1haS5OzFBm > 4i6xvRLGqBtHJfp8bm6GLFqF6pwABThwj/PjOpaVx _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: Airport insanity
by Major Variola (ret) 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

At 01:03 PM 10/23/04 -0400, John Kelsey wrote: >Blowing up a building full of random people because a few of them are associated with >some action you really disagree with is just outside the realm of the sort of moral decision I >can figure out. Just like flying planes into buildings full of people with almost nothing to do >with what you're really getting at. >--John Kelsey Osama et al suffer from the belief that Americans chose their leaders and thus are responsible for their actions. They also observe that the only language americans understand is dead civilians inside the CONUS. Ergo WTC feedback. Tim McV may have somewhat analogously assumed that all Feds would take notice of his feedback. (In addition, the WTC demolishion got a disproportionate number of jews, just as Okla did get a few BATF goons. But the message was more generally intended.) Consider: If a crip whacks your homey, you needn't pop *that* crip to make your point. Any crip will do. Snipe a few tax collectors and all Caesar's centurions take note. Capiche?

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Re: US enacts tough new security measures on visitors, foreign student pilots
by Major Variola (ret) 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

At 10:42 PM 10/22/04 -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > : > US enacts tough new security measures on visitors, foreign student pilots Also unmentioned: all foreign flight schools are now heavily bugged/surveilled and swarthy and/or moslem students have that fact added to their Permenant Record.

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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)
by Tyler Durden 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Well, yes there are counterexamples I guess. The kind of retardation I'm talking about seems to happen when the influence in through covert, destabilising channels. Taiwan is a particularly odd example...it definitely has started forming a modern economy, but then again it had many decades of oppression. It also had swiped billions upon billions of dollars of gold and other substances that backed the Chinese monetary system prior to 1949, so arguably that money had to go somewhere. -TD >From: John Kelsey <kelsey.j(a)ix.netcom.com> >Reply-To: John Kelsey <kelsey.j(a)ix.netcom.com> >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com>, jamesd(a)echeque.com, >cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net >Subject: Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity) >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:59:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > >From: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> > >Sent: Oct 19, 2004 10:23 AM > >To: jamesd(a)echeque.com, cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net > >Subject: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity) > >... > >In developing markets the US track record is terrible. The more we >interfere > >and set up puppet governments and petty dictators, the result has always > >been the near elimination of any kind of real modern economy. > > >More than that, some of the countries we've been kicked out or prevented > >from influencing have been modernizing rapidly, the most obvious example >is > >China and Vietnam. Bolivia is interesting to watch. > >So, Taiwan and South Korea seem like rather obvious counterexamples. > > >-TD > >--John >(Not a fan of interventionist foreign policy, FWIW) _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: Airport insanity
by John Kelsey 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

>From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> >Sent: Oct 20, 2004 3:10 PM >To: "cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net> >Subject: Re: Airport insanity >Lots of murderous terrorists have been released from Guatanamo, >and in the nearly all cases the most serious of their >complaints make it sound like a beach resort, except for the >fact that they could not leave. Maybe I missed that. All but one of the comments I read about involved a lot of complaints about mistreatment, albeit often with the admission that Gitmo was still better than being in an Afghan prison. As a nitpick, though, it's not at all clear that most of the people at Gitmo were really terrorists, or even murderers. None of them has had a trial, few have even had hearings, and many were released as not a threat to us. (They may still be a threat to everyone else around them.) >A few have more serious complaints. Either they are lying or, >those who say they were well treated apart from being held >captive are lying. Surely the other alternative is that only some prisoners are subjected to torture, e.g., the ones that look to have some serious intelligence value. > James A. Donald --John

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US enacts tough new security measures on visitors, foreign student pilots
by R.A. Hettinga 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

<http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/print/113045/1/.html> Channelnewsasia.com Title : US enacts tough new security measures on visitors, foreign student pilots By : Date : 23 October 2004 0853 hrs (SST) URL : http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/113045/1/.html WASHINGTON: The United States on Friday tightened security measures on foreign visitors and non-US citizens taking flying lessons. The Department of Homeland Security said foreign visitors seeking admission under the Visa Waiver Program would need machine-readable passports beginning Tuesday. Those not complying will get one free pass and a letter explaining the new rules, with the one-time exemption noted in the visitor's permanent computer record, said the DHS. A machine-readable passport carries an unalterable barcode containing a wealth of encrypted information about the bearer, which an immigration officer can read by scanning the document much like a supermarket checkout clerk scans food prices. The new US passport requirement had been scheduled to take effect a year ago but was extended to give VWP participating countries time to issue machine-readable passports and inform their citizens of the new rules. Also, the Transportation Security Agency has begun requiring non-US citizens seeking training at US flight schools to submit to fingerprinting and provide security data for training on any type or size of aircraft. Following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the Transportation Security Act mandated the Justice Department to do threat assessments on non-US citizens seeking training on aircraft weighing 12,500 pounts or more, including commercial aircraft. This month, new legislation transferred that responsibility to the Transportation Security Administration and gave enforcers new teeth. "September 11 taught us that terrorists exploited the use of US flight schools," said retired Admiral David Stone, Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security for TSA. "Fortifying security by knowing who trains at these schools is an integral part of our mission to secure the homeland." The 19 September 11 hijackers who commandeered four commercial airliners and crashed them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania trained at US flight schools. The tightened security program, the TSA said in a statement, "is designed to prevent terrorists from receiving pilot training from flight schools. "As a prerequisite to flight training, non-US citizens must provide to the TSA fingerprints, biographical information...and training specifics." The flight schools will have to provide the TSA with the student's photo "to ensure the student reporting for flight training is the same individual who successfully complete a security threat assessment," it said. - AFP -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: James A. Donald's insanity
by Tyler Durden 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

Sunder wrote... "Come on, come on, out with it, say it, say it... That's right! *Ding* you're reality challenged." Well, perhaps, but Mr Donaldson's brain has been turned into a host/vector for a very powerful set of memes. In a sense, one can't blame him: He has an answer for everything, and his answers emanate from a set of beliefs that feel quite consistent in his mind, or at least that can be derived from a fairly elementary set of principals. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for most of the rest of us Cypherpunks, for whom the world is a lot more complex. Sometimes, I suspect it would be kind of comfy living in Mr Donald's world: Good and Evil are very distinct entities, and you know who they are. Unfortunately for me the world looks a hell of a lot more complex and shadowy, shades of gray. Ah well. Pass that crack pipe of absolute certainty over here Mr Donald... -TD >From: Sunder <sunder(a)sunder.net> >To: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> >CC: "cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net> >Subject: Re: James A. Donald's insanity >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:06:28 -0400 (edt) > >Where did I write to you that it's horrible thing to lock people up in >Gitmo, or that "we" (whomever that is) deserve to be attacked? Show me >the email, with headers that says such a thing. > >Oh, wait, you can't, because I never wrote such. > > >Let's see, so you've got lots of people questioning your version of >various events, and you've got claims that various people wrote things >that they did not, and lots of people challenging the accuracy and indeed, >truth of your statements. > >Hmmm... So what is the obvious conclusion there? The whole world must be >against you? Nah, you're not important enough to be paranoid. > >So, what is the obvious conclusion? No, no, 2+2 is not 5, even for >extremely large values of 2... > >Come on, come on, out with it, say it, say it... That's right! *Ding* >you're reality challenged. > > >Ah! There, doesn't that feel better? Now, please, go back and take your >meds before the nice men in the white coats come to take you to the funny >farm. > > > >----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- > + ^ + :"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. /|\ > \|/ :They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country /\|/\ ><--*-->:and our people, and neither do we." -G. W. Bush, 2004.08.05 \/|\/ > /|\ : \|/ > + v + : War is Peace, freedom is slavery, Bush is President. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: > > > -- > > On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:41, Sunder wrote: > > > No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you > > > to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack > > > to suck it up? > > > > When you tell us it is horrible to lock up in Gautenamo people > > who show every sign of trying to kill us , and that we deserve > > their past efforts to kill us, efforts that some of them > > promptly resumed on release. We are under attack, and you are > > telling us to suck it up. _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx

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