October 2004 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Liberty Dollar
by Gary Jeffers 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

My fellow Cypherpunks, The Liberty Dollar My fellow Cypherpunks, I think I may have some really great news here, but you all can check it out to be sure. I found an alternative money on the Internet. It is called the Liberty Dollar. The Internet site is: http://www.norfed.org NORFED is The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code. The money is backed by silver and gold and can be redeemed widely in America. As many of you know, the $US is a corrupt, proprietary, debt issued, fait, fractional reserved,illegal, unconstituional, U. S. State enforced monopoly currency. As corrupt as it is I don't know why it hasn't already collasped and dragged us down with it! If the Liberty Dollar is honest and robust, then it may be the vehical to beat the elite bankers tyranny and give us an honest wealth produced money. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE !!!!

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RE: Cypherpunks IQ Test
by Aimee Farr 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Mike: Are you often the victim of mercenary females? > -----Original Message----- > From: mmotyka(a)lsil.com [mailto:mmotyka@lsil.com] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:28 PM > To: aimee.farr(a)pobox.com > Subject: Cypherpunks IQ Test > > > It's an obvious setup. The woods are part of a defense installation, > apple is filled with coke, the girl is underage, the woods are full of > trigger happy fibbies. > > You hit the ground and roll into the brush, drawing on the way. You > attempt to locate opponents and identify the safest route away from the > situation. > > Mike > > > >CYPHERPUNKS IQ TEST > > > >QUESTION #1. > > > >You are walking through the woods alone. A beautiful unclothed woman > >magically appears in front of you. She holds out an apple. > > > >1. Please darken in the correct choice using a Number Two pencil: > > > >(a) you bite the apple. > >(b) you take the woman. > >(c) you run away. > >(d) a and b, but not c. > >(e) b and c only. > >(f) all of the above. > >(g) none of the above. > > > >2. Please justify your answer: > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________. > > > > > >Just curious.... > > > > -Aimee

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More on "new physics"
by Tim May 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Someone sent me a private note. I have deleted his name for this public reply. > Tim May wrote: > > >> The "new physics" stuff is quite different. It is scorned in a way >> that plate tectonics was not, and for good reason. Folks should visit >> Bearden's site. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/index.html > > I did. Oh, dear. > > Not sure what is supposed to be denoted by "Tesla physics", but Tesla's > work with power transmission via HF is fascinating, even if there was > apparently no practical or safe use for it. No one disputes the outstanding work Tesla did on a.c. transmission. And anyone who has seen or used a Tesla coil knows how real it is. "Tesla physics" is all the cruft that has developed around some of his more obscure (and late) writings, usually mixed together with stuff Tesla could not have known about at the time of his death. To wit, the stuff about zero point energy and perpetual motion machines. And, sometimes, mixed together with the usual nutcase stuff about the Hollow Earth theory (zeta reticulans colonizing the hollow earth, Greys, underground UFO bases, secret Nazi weapons, etc.). Tesla is a hero to these "new physics" nuts, even though nothing Tesla ever worked on or built contradicts in the slightest way the predictions of Maxwell's theories. They take Tesla's very real contributions and some of his weirder theories (though none of them so weird as the Hollow Earth/antigravity/time reversal theories of modern nutters) and say that this means "They laughed at Tesla, they laugh at me!" BTW, I was/am an early ("angel") investor in a company doing work on ultrawideband transmissions. Some of the works Bearden cites, like those of Barrett, are familiar to me and others with this company. Saying that there is a role for ultrawideband pulse technology, a la spread spectrum and beyond SS, is NOT the same as saying there are confirmed "problems" with electromagnetic theory. There may be, and there are a handful of folks doing "foundational" work in E&M, but, so far, there are no indications that their foundational work is changing any engineering calculations. Quite the contrary, in my view. Electromagnetic theory basically "works"--to many decimal places of accuracy. Circuits work as expected, antennas work as expected, and there are no "unexplained observations" (as usually exist before a new theory arrives). There may be some _semantic_ issues, e.g., does a square wave or impulse "really" have components that were sent out _before_ the square wave or impulse? (A Fourier decomposition of a square wave starting at time t = 0 has "sine wave components" spread out over time and adding up in such a way as to give the square wave, or the impulse, or any other signal. Some think this means deep and mysterious things are happening, something having to do with time travel and reversing the aging process, blah blah blah. Henning Harmuth may write fairly eloquently about the "dogma of the circle" and how the Fourier decomposition of a signal into (allegedly) a near-infinite series of sine waves is "not real," but for all intents and purposes it all works. And the "new physics" people like Bearden go way beyond what Harmuth and Barrett are talking about: they bring in "curved space-time" and gravitation and antigravity and the ultra-weird notion that aging can be reversed by "pumping the conjugate time-axis of the Minkowski manifold" (OK, I made this up...don't have time to lift one of Bearden's direct quotes...and this will help train me in the jargon if I ever become a "new physicist."). Nut cases like Bearden have the patter of physics down. Very few actual physicists waste their time dissecting and refuting Bearden for obvious reasons. I urge readers of this list not to waste time on this stuff. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787

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Re: A Trial Balloon to Ban Email?
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

At 09:57 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: >Yes, but how will you stop the spammer from double spending the same $0.25 >micropayment on all of his 170,000 email addresses? Depending on whether >you check that there is a payment attached or not, and also check it with >the bank before delivering it, you'd have already wasted your bandwith and >possibly have accepted a spam into your mail spool. It is true that the notions of micropayments as applied to spam (that I'm familiar with, at least) would require that the email recipient check with the bank to detect doublespending. This would introduce an additional delay before delivery from unknown senders, yes, but I fail to see how it would impose an unacceptable cost in bandwidth or CPU usage. Spammers could still try the same-micropayment-a-million-times route, just as they could try to spam without micropayments, but if their email is rejected in sufficient quantities, the cost to the spammer would outweigh the benefits. The key is achieving sufficient quantities. -Declan

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Re: AP Al Qaeda
by mattd 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

>>No, no. AP is funny because it's impracticeable. One does not find an assassin exclusively by tracing who paid him to kill. One can (and often does) find him because he makes a mistake in the act of commiting the crime. Which, if I'm >>reading my history right, is what's hampered the noisy proponents of AP up to this point already. Crime? Wot crime,guvnor? Jim and CJ were not 'noisy'.imo. Im a bit noisy cos Im pushing the 'let it all hang out' version. >The point is that Bell's theory does a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination,...< Oh THATS funny.I get it. HAHAHA! >>Killing one person, especially a public official, pisses a whole bunch of people off. Those people have a tendency to come find their buddy's killer. Mmm,where do we start,lets get some firebrands and go up to the proffrs? Look at sites with no logs for quad anon 'predictors' who may be overseas briefly visiting cybercafes,Good luck china.(you just contradicted yrself btw.) Oh,unless you mean the torture/french village reprisal thang.Win friends and influence people. The one person killed will have had to have done a lot of evil shit to get enough pooled (presumably) to tempt a seasoned pro.Unless some professional killer turns all altruistic,stranger things have happened.The killer could be suicidal.another possibility.Lots of scenarios possible here,movie scripts,even.Pop songs,video games.DoCoMo assasinphones. Someone like a torturer,murderer,terrorist,pedophile is a logical candidate.(stephen roach?)Sometimes these happen to be public officials.Theres one here where I live named dennis Tanner.(vic.au) Those killers by remote control like arbusto might be be made more accountable. What better way than...Bell's theory, "a really good job of sorting out the business end of assassination"according to you. KILL THE PRESIDENT! "Id buy that for a dollar!" >>No kind of real or threatened assassination can weaken a government in which a majority of the governed people >believe. It can only make it seem more righteous and be more strong. Thats true,roll over and go back to sleep,if you live under that govt you have nothing to worry about. More righteous and more smug.

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[Lucrative-L] double spends, identity agnosticism, and Lucrative
by R. A. Hettinga 21 May '05

21 May '05

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RE: Geodesic neoconservative empire
by Tyler Durden 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

Sounds good, but there's a little flaw in the logic: >At 10:07 PM 10/24/04 -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > If the only way > >to kill barbarians is to kill barbarians in their bed before they > >kill you in yours, to pave over nation-states that support them, > >starting with the easiest first, it can't happen fast enough, as far > >as I'm concerned, and I'll gladly "vote" my expropriated tax-dollars > >for the purpose of draining the swamp that is the Middle East. We're not reducing the quantity of government, just consolidating under a single growing Borg-like government, namely the US. I consider one giant government a far more dangerous situation that lots of little ones. -TD _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: bin Laden gets a Promotion, UBL=Moses
by Major Variola (ret) 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

At 10:16 PM 10/30/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: >On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 02:42:25PM -0400, Sunder wrote: > >> As usual, South Park is a great source of wisdom. So, are you voting for >> the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwich? > >My candidate is Mr Hanky, Poo party. > I'm voting for Kodos. [Simpsons ref] UBL was pleasantly rational in this one. Even explained the origin of the tower-dropping plans, which was a nice bit for the historians. I'm surprised the "Ask yourselves why we didn't attack Sweden" comment isn't discussed more; then again I find even intelligent people refractory to that obvious question. UBL still thinks lay Americans elect their leaders, or have a clue what they're doing, but he is a man of strong faith. He even gave a succint reminder of the way out, "Leave my people alone", Moses like. Time for more locusts, frogs, red tides, or modern equivalents, I'm afraid. Extra points for the commentary on Bush Sr learning about dynasty from the Saudis, etc, and installing his sons as governors. ------ M. Atta -an Army of One

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The "plagues" are Mosaic asymmetric attacks, not biological
by Major Variola (ret) 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

At 05:21 PM 10/31/04 -0800, John Young wrote: >To state the obvious to Major Variola, CDC will have first >indication of a devastating US attack, reported fragmentarily >under its links to hospitals, clinics and physicians, against >which the might military and law enforcement have no defenses. You thought I meant bio plagues?! Jeezus John, is your metaphorizer broken? Any bio hazard is accidental, or Detrick, not Osama. A *succession of attacks against the Empire* is what I mean, alluding to the Jews attacking the Pharaoh, until he let them alone. Pharoah=US, Moses=UBL, Jews=Moslems. Get your head around that one. News: The infectious biological "attack" will be an accident of the modularity and recombination of influenza on some chinese duck/pig/human farm. It will not be intentional but it will kill a lot before the vaccine can be produced, which takes ca. 6 mos.. See 1918 pandemic, and add jet airplanes. A recent _Science_ article described a model of this. You are one or two days away from that duck/pig/human incubator nowadays, no matter where you live. That will happen, but it won't be intentional. The geopoli implications will be fun, but UBL is not involved there. Observation: A non-infectious biological attack (eg anthrax which isn't infectious) is cheap, but not Al Q's preferred MO. They go for the special effects type attacks, simultaneous so you know its them. (Otherwise it could be a suicical egyptian, a rudder jerked too hard, a screw-jack improperly lubricated, the NTSC is very creative.) Of course the Ft Detrick folks enjoy sending the occasional sporulated letter to senators, but hey, their funding was running out, you do what you gotta do. Implementation: A chem attack is pretty nifty, and in many ways easier than fission or RDDs. Since there are so many chems moving around, and rad sources are so easy to detect, by virtue of the energy of the emissions, and controlled/surveilled materials. A tanker into a school is double the fun, its been years since Columbine, and the underbelly is itching for a scratch. (Again, you need to pull off 2 the same day.) I wonder if there is a school that enrolls only first born sons, that would be interesting to read about in your mosaic er netscape er IE browser, eh? Since your allusion-detector is broken, "mosaic", get it? History: "Let my people go" and taking a beating only works if you have wannabe-moral brits who want to divest anyway and your name is Ghandi. Otherwise the biblical plagues, aka asymmetric attack, approach is guaranteed to work in the limit. All you need is enough popular support. Its there. It only took 200 dead marines and one bomb to evict us from Lebanon, maybe 50K corpses for S. Nam, don't know about N Korea, but do the math. .mil are disposable, but they have families that whine and vote. And the press is not *entirely* 0wn3d by the .gov, yet. Conclusion: Again, the Mosaic approach of repeated asymmetric attacks on the Pharoah is what Al Q is up to. Eventually the Pharoah/US gets fed up and says fuck it. Maybe not this election, but eventually, and Al has time. GW has only 4 more years, at best, and Rummy & Cheney are scheduled for a box in the ground pretty soon. Wolfy has more time, but after a few more kilocorpses will lose power with Joe Sixpack and Joe's post-Bush "leader". Operation Just Cause Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I have to ignore Egyptian/Hebrew history. Just because I live here doesn't mean I don't think the US deserves the treatment that any Empire deserves. Just because I'm an American doesn't mean I can't use sophisticated allusions. Just because I say Mosaic Plagues doesn't mean I'm talking about frogs & locusts. Dig?

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Re: Winning still matters, etc...
by Major Variola (ret) 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

12:22 AM 10/31/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: >Major Variola >> The large pit of smoldering radioactive glass is probably not >> an option.. > >Why not? They're called downwinders. Which way do the winds blow in the middle east? >You keep assuming that Muslims unite, escalate, etc, but if >they do, US will escalate also. No, I assume you can nuke whereever you want, just because we can. This is my take on your thesis that we are discussing. Kicking hegemony up a notch, finishing the job, let's roll... It will get easier when a US city gets nuked. The folks on the West coast might not like a few trillion curies in their soup even if we did get rid of the Indonesian Problem in the process. Maybe they just need to suck it up, ask not what their country can do for them, but how they can bend over for it. Childhood leukemia is getting easier to cure anyway.

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