December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by Wazoo MixMaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Spectre, writing under an anonymous name bravely wrote: From: The Spectre <spectre(a)nac.net> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:57:15 -0400 [snip] hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone each day. I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, or any other for that matter. If you've got something to say, say it. Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another. Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete key for me... [snip his cowardly key block] [snip his cowardly anonymous signature] Let me get this straight Mr. Cowardly Lion; if one uses a remailer, he is cowardly (in one form or another). But not an anonymous address? Not PGP? Wise up, friend; this is cypherpunks. Some of us DO these things, and we do not have to explain ourselves to you or or anyone. Some times it's for fun; sometimes it's deadly serious. So use the delete key; add a "filter file (;--);" do whatever you choose, but spare me the sanctimonious lecture. Hugh_Balls(a)lucifer.penet.fi TruthSmuggler's Alter Ego

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KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary...
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Net's crypto wet-dreams were demolished this afternoon by a Congressional committee's fear of coffee-drenched kids and the Ku Klux Klan. A two-hour debate over whether KKK volunteers could be sued for spilling coffee on an 8-year old at a bake sale blew through millions of dollars in billable lobbyist-hours and prevented the House Judiciary Committee from voting on Rep. Bob Goodlatte's (R-VA) SAFE crypto bill today. Somnolent yet somehow alert, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) wasted an hour sparring with the avuncular Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Illinois) over the "Volunteer Protection Act," which insulates people volunteering for nonprofit organizations from civil liability. But would that apply to the KKK, wondered Conyers? Is the KKK a registered 501(c)(3) organization under the IRS code? What about 501(c)(4) organizations? What if a KKK member decided to build houses for Habitat for Humanity? I kid you not: these are the questions that the august House Judiciary committee grapples with. The members ran out of time and never got around to voting on SAFE. It was a bizzare meeting, to be sure, but at least one point made sense: these decisions should be left to the states, not imposed on them by the Feds. Some Congressmen even cited the landmark Supreme Court decision in _Lopez_, which shortened the reach of the Federal government. Conyers: "Someone has to explain why this is a federal issue." Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY): "I don't see why it's necessary for the federal government to invade." Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) coughed up an odd position: he likes the bill, but wants to make sure his GOP colleagues appreciate that this bill would screw the states. (It uses the Constitution's "interstate commerce clause" to justify the Feds interfering.) Frank said: "The notion that the coach of the Little League is involved in interstate commerce -- unless the third baseline is in another state -- strikes me as a hard sell. A dispute involving the coach in a little league will now be federalized... I don't have a problem with that... I do insist, however, that those in the past who have invoked [states' rights understand that] this is an obliteration of Lopez." Those were the high points of the debate, and it went downhill from there. Frank claimed that the Civil War meant that states have no rights. Someone rambled about girl scouts in South Carolina. Someone else spoke passionately about "standards of tortious behavior." Then there was talk about tricyles and hammers. By this time, the audience was falling asleep. I counted 10 people nodding off before I ran out of fingers. A frustrated Hyde tried to broker a deal: "If your staff person can work with your staff person, can you draft replacement language?" Conyers replied. "We're trying to help chairman Hyde. We've got 12 minutes [left]. There's no way in the world we're going to allow hate group hangers-on to be exempted from simple negligence." It worked. By 5:15 pm, after a dozen amendments, the committee passed the "Volunteer Protection Act." As for SAFE -- well, if you're a Congressman faced with the choice of bashing the KKK or tackling crypto policy, what would you do? -By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) and Will Rodger (rodger(a)worldnet.att.net) who refuses to wear a tie to these events any more.

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Canada bans anonymous political speech, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,940,00.html The Netly News Network May 13, 1997 No, Canada by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Krishna Bera wasn't surprised when the order from the Canadian government arrived last Friday. It was couched in the stilted language of universal bureaucratese, but its message was cold and clear: Purge a political endorsement from your web site or go to jail. Bera's offending web page had said simply, "Vote Green." It didn't exhort its readers to commit a crime. It wasn't libelous or defamatory. It didn't even feature any porn. Yet the pro-Green Party statement was enough to draw the ire of the commissioner of elections, for Canada has a rule, buried in the 187-page Elections Act, that prohibits anonymous political recommendations. And Bera's web page was unsigned. [...] ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: Quadratic residues
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May's mother attempted to pro-choice the unwanted little bastard by fishing with a coat hanger in her giant cunt, but failed miserably to pull the rabbit and succeeded only in scraping out the contents of little Timmy's fetal cranium (not much to begin with). (_) _____ (_) /O O\ Tim May ! I ! ! \___/ ! \_____/

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Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 97 19:23:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... > I personaly think that this is a good thing. :))) > > Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom > that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. > could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one > except the STATEST). Yeah, Blacks could go back to being niggers. Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant etc... Talk about statest. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: "The policeman inside" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Ross Wright" <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:41:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: "The policeman inside" > Hey, *They* read this list anyways. Fuck *Them* Hard. > > > Beware the policeman inside. > > Fuck the FBI, Fuck the CIA. Fuck 'em all. Now that's freedom! God, > I love America! That isn't freedom, its emotional gratification. Freedom would be not having to worry about them in the first place. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Cypherpunks meeting in SE
by whgiii＠NO.amaranth.com.SPAM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I am intrested in setting up a cypherpunks meeting in the South East USA. I think that Atlanta would be a good place for this but I am open to other locations. I am located in FL so I would like to keep it within a days drive (Atlanta is 4-5 hrs from me). If you would be intrested in such a meeting please e-mail me and let me know when you would be able to attend and where you are located. If I can get enough people intrested I would like this to be a monthly thing simmilar to the meetings on the West Coast. Thanks, - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows NT: From the makers of Windows 3.1! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBM3ka549Co1n+aLhhAQF1TAP/ZgGHDjGI/LeIeDPv3IALNYWYgXucZ3+r ODpUOtIAbCp/FVGdBTnPuKuKvsOzEVIk6Uly1OzEh4kdKXV7W+VbhBoUJX3NF+0J gTWPfq2bSFbsMR85Ln+T0FCeWTAjrzuOwSTjy1YrlFKGc75JJ4oMlk15aMrK84/v voyNIKPZ2ko= =mWRj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "The policeman inside"
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 13 May 97 at 9:19, Tim May wrote: > As ur-cyberpunk Burroughs noted, we must beware "the policeman > inside." > > Authorities _want_ people to "police themselves," to think twice > before speaking freely, to limit the topic of their conversations, > and to generally fear the knock on the door late at night (or, in > fin de siecle Amerika, the suddent appearance of black-clad ninja in > one's bedroom at 4 a.m., shooting anything that moves). Hey, that shit scares me, too. BUT: > Bomb-making information is protected by the First Amendment. Period. Correct. It's using that technology that's the crime, in most cases. > So is crypto information. So is saying Congressmen are vermin who > need to be taken out and shot. I think you can say "taken out and Spanked Naked In The Streets" I don't think you can advocate shooting them... Correct me if I'm wrong. > Get this straight, people! The First Amendment *IS* still in force. > (Now whether such opinions are to one's taste, or whether the > Cypherpunks list is a reasonable forum for posting bomb-making > plans...well, that's a completely different issue, one of taste and > appropriateness, First Amendment issues are *on topic*. > than the calls by Declan and Ray that such messages > are dangerous and could invite retaliation by the Authorities. If > that's indeed the case, then by all means we should be posting > bomb-making instructions and calls for treason trials with street > justice.) Hey, *They* read this list anyways. Fuck *Them* Hard. > Beware the policeman inside. Fuck the FBI, Fuck the CIA. Fuck 'em all. Now that's freedom! God, I love America! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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96 Wiretap Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer the text and three summary tables of the U.S. Courts "1996 Wiretap Report" at: http://jya.com/96wiretap.htm (36K)

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Re: The Interlinked Cypherpunks Lists? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, > > * Is it possible for the interlinked lists to send out announcements of > > list problems to subscriber of all such lists? (Each list owner could do a > > periodic "who cypherpunks" of the other lists, then use this list to send a > > message if a problem comes up. More sophisticated cross-processing could > > eliminate duplicates, etc.) Sounds like time to start another list subscribed to the existing nodes and offer such services to the subscribers at the operators whim. I oppose any action which would force the list to become more 'cooperative' in the sense that each node operator would be forced (sorta anti-cpunks I believe) to comply with some set of scripts and such they didn't develop in the first place. It would be just another means to limit the ability of people in general, and the cpunks in particular, to communicate with as little structure and 'authority' as possible. Unless I am seriously mistaken on this, the point was to make the list more robust and less centralized. Pretty soon we'll have to join some damn union or something. Now some of you are going to say that this is taking it to extremes. That what is being proposed is a good thing and not something that could be used to 'manipulate' the lists. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the guy driving the paving truck only wants to help you (as he paves your petunia's). > > * Alternatively, if one of the sites goes down, such as > > "cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net" seems to have done, could the other sites > > automagically pick up the task of distributing articles until the site > > comes back up? This again is anti-cpunks, it forces a level of cooperation and information sharing that is in direct opposition to beliefs in anonymity and privacy. I don't want it known who is subscribed to lists through SSZ, in short: It isn't any of your damn business and quit asking. Solution? Get a life or start an archive site. > The only true reliability can be achieved by subscribing to two or more > cypherpunks sites, and eliminating duplicates. Reliability has its costs. As do freedom, privacy, anonymity, etc. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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