December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: encryption laws (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:03:32 -0400 > From: tzeruch(a)ceddec.com > > If they had reasonable cause to believe you had knowledge of the key and > > were refusing to divulge it under direct order of the court you would be > > held in contempt until you were very old and gray. > > IANAL, but > > You could claim 5th ammendment priviledge - they would have to give > immunity from any prosecution relating to the contents. > The 5th ONLY applies if you are being accussed AND immunity is not granted. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: encryption laws (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: frissell(a)panix.com > Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:45:35 -0400 > >If they had reasonable cause to believe you had knowledge of the key and > >were refusing to divulge it under direct order of the court you would be > >held in contempt until you were very old and gray. > Two years max. A lot less time if you followed my strategy of spamming the > court with daily (hourly?) screeds in which you assert in your finest Usenet > flame language the fact that you will never follow the judge's order. Your contention is that the longest a judge can hold you on contempt charges is two years? I would love to see a reference on this one. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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pgMedia, Inc. vs. Network Solutions, Inc. PARTY!
by mf＠mediafilter.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Business needs over citizen rights
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's interesting that in the various recent developments over crypto, the needs of business are taking priority over the basic rights of citizens. In fact, the debate is being driven by issues of "competitiveness." * In the latest round of crypto export policy, relayed to us by Will Rodger of "Interactive Week," it is relaxation of export for financial and banking software that is being pushed. (Possibly connected to the next item, though.) * Meanwhile, the Administration's "Crypto Import Restrictions" (officially entitled "The Safe Streets, Child Protection, and Public Safety Act") are about to be introduced, as reported to us by Brock Meeks (on this list by Bill Stewart). It is possible that this is also related to corporate interests, as this would stop certain offshore developers--unhindered by U.S. laws--from competing in the U.S. against U.S. companies (this is mere speculation on my part, but it may be part of the big picture). * And SAFE has special provisions for financial cryptography (read: Banking interests), while also putting the screws to any citizen-units who step out of bounds with crypto. ...and so on. What these trends add up to is an almost complete disregard for basic, fundamental issues of civil liberties and freedom in favor of various craftings of laws to advantage some American companies, disadvantage other American companies, and manipulate the international competitive scene. This is what politics has always been, of course. Pork barrels and pigs at the trough, to mix some porcine metaphors. It shows how far we have degenerated as a nation. Exactly which parts of the First, Second, etc. Amendments do these porkers not understand? May they all be vaporized. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Since when is supporting unrestricted crypto unreasonable?
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 PM 5/6/97 -0500, Omegaman wrote: >I'm starting to think that until someone actually gets arrested and >jailed for using strong, unbreakable encryption that is "suspected" of >supporting a crime, little will change. In the meantime, the >administration, Congress, and the TLA's will keep getting closer to >achieving their goals. Ahh, but the government is far too clever to haul up Phil Cypherpunk and charge him with "Encryption with intent to hide". Instead, they'll wait until they get a Tim McVeigh-esque case, show that he "conspired" using encryption, and say "See how tough on crime we are? We must convict and fry this evil militia member. And give him an extra 230 volts for using encryption, according to the SAFE law." There isn't an American politician alive who would dare publically ask to have a McVeigh-level-case's sentence reduced or any stupid charges dropped. "Sorry, I can't appear soft on this kind of criminal!" Then, there is *legal precedent* for all kinds of criminals to get the extra 5 years (or 230 volts). Then, when they DO come around and pound down the doors of Jim Cypherpunk for having evil thoughts about FBI agents and find an encrypted copy of Penthouse; well, hey, that law's been tested on the books before. Lock him up. When charges are brought up against a suspect, the suspect is truly spammed with all manner of accusations. It's how the legal game is played. Find someone you want to lock up, then throw enough turds and some will eventually stick. Tim May's new signature nicely reflects this. Therefore, citizens won't ever "win" if ProCODE or SAFE or whatever is enacted. It'll just be another turd thrown at suspects.

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Re: Banking Secrecy and Nazi Gold
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone sent me private mail about my post, and suggested that Swiss bankers have historically had close ties to the Swiss government, e.g, most are reserve officers in the Swiss military. He also suggested that Switzerland is more of a police state than many realize. Here is my reply: I don't argue otherwise. Likewise, Monaco is a video surveillance state, with hundreds of cameras scattered in hidden locations throughout that tiny place. Neither are places I'd want to live. But the deposits of the 1930s-40s are ancient history. As I said, I see the current foofaw as being political. (Just as the Kurt Waldheim thing was political, in that Israel, the U.S., and many other states knew of Waldheim's war record and chose to exploit the knowledge rather than reveal it.) If the U.S. forces the illegal gains to be "given back," mightn't the fortune Joe Kennedy amasses as a rum runner be seized? The Kennedy clan made its considerable fortune through outlaw activities, even to the (probable) point of buying the '60 election (Illinois, as I'm sure you know). (Not suggesting rum running = extermination of Jews. Far from it. But the notion of going back to events of 50-60 years ago, when ignored in the intervening decades, must always be scrutinized for real intentions.) Lastly, I really wish you'd make more of your comments in a public way, so that my responses can be public. --Tim There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: (fwd) Cell Phone Cancer Study
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As follow up to the Stewart Fist report on new findings of cell-phone hazards, the Jerusalem Post says that the report is causing alarm in Israel -- where cell-phones are heavily used -- and that the government intends to investigate. Motorola et al are hunkered. The scientific study is in the journal "Radiation Research," Volume 147, Number 5, May 1997: http://www.cjp.com/radres/html/may97toc.htm Michael H. Repacholi, Antony Basten, Val Gebski, Denise Noonan, John Finnie and Alan W. Harris "Lymphomas in Emu-Pim1 Transgenic Mice Exposed to Pulsed 900 MHz Electromagnetic Fields" (p. 631) However, there is not an on-line version, unless someone knows of it elsewhere. What say the cellular folks here to this story?

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Re: (fwd) Cell Phone Cancer Study
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for critiquing this sensitive topic. The 11-page paper was published by Radiation Research, as noted here, whose editor is at Oak Ridge National Lab, if that offers credibility. Radiation Research's Web site shows an impressive range of credentials of scientists in the field, perhaps superior, if more specialized, to that of Science and Nature, both which oft times suffers the chancres of promiscuous sci-populuxitis. Best is to see the report for oneself. A copy is available for US$30.00 by fax. Request by calling the publisher at (423) 574-5874. Or E-mail to: Radiation Research Biology Division Oak Ridge National Laboratory <radres(a)aol.com> We've had a layman's look and cite the authors' final cautionary paragraph: "This is not to imply that any humans at all are necessarily at increased risk of cancer as a consequence of exposure to RF fields. No single experiment on animals can allow such a conclusion. Rather, we believe the study reported here indicates a need for further research. Tumorigenesis in genetically predisposed mice may provide a useful assay for interactions between RF fields and biological systems. With the current rapid expansion in the use of RF fields for telecommunications, a reliable assay is required to enable a better assessment of limits to safe levels of human exposure." Send more money or die, sucker, the "responsible" scientist's clanging alarm, eh?

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Re: Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Dave Hayes wrote: > > Igor Chudov writes: > > > I am interested in your view, Dave. > > > > There are only two reasons that I can see your interest serving. > > You either wish to support my views or oppose them. Neither case > > serves your potential enlightement, therefore I shall choose to > > not answer. > Dave, you are a very insightful man, but in this case you were > mistaken: I am interested to hear your views for my enlightenment. I responded that way for a reason. I offered my view on spamming spammers. You replaced "spamming spammers" with "hacking spammers". I do not see the relevance, hence my answer. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Who are the learned? Those who put into practice what they know.

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(fwd) Elctronic Funds Transfer Expansion Act
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Post Office Credit Union' _Credit Union Post_, Spring 1997: Congress recently passed a law making it mandatory to receive government payments by direct deposit to a financial institution. It's called "Electronic Funds Transfer Expansion Act," and it requires all federal payments, except an IRS refund check to be issued by electronic funds transfer (Direct Deposit). It will affect anyone who receives veteran's benefits, Social Security, federal government and military pensions and salaries, or any government payment. Members who have their payments sent to Post Office Credit Union will have _immediate access_ to their money. So what are you waiting for? If you don't already have direct deposit, consider signing up for it. It's not only easy, convenient, and safe, it will soon be mandatory for all! Give us a call at 244-3518 to take advantage of direct deposit today! -- [The] "Electronic Funds Transfer Expansion Act".. requires all federal payments except an IRS refund check to be issued by electronic funds transfer. So what are you waiting for? If you don't already have direct deposit, consider signing up for it. It's not only easy, convenient, and safe, it will soon be mandatory for all! [Post Office Credit Union' Credit Union Post_, Spring 1997]

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