December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tzeruch(a)ceddec.com righteously writes: > Looking at synthetic child porn may be purely a thought crime, but it > involves breaking a lot of societal taboos. If someone does not have the > self-restraint to not look at mere pictures, will they have the restraint > to avoid comitting actual crimes? > Although you can argue that people may be able to look without touching, > the reason they are looking in the first place involves a release of the > beast within. How many such people are we willing to trust to keep that > beast on the chain. The law is currently structured to answer "none" to > this question, and this may be the proper answer. Hear, hear, brother! Also, all womenfolk should be required to cover up their entire bodies as well as their faces whenever they're in public or in contact with any male above the age of puberty, even unto their male relatives. If one of these men doesn't have the self-restraint to not look at the woman in the first place, will he have the restraint to keep from raping her? After all, the reason they are looking in the first place involves a release of the beast within. How many such people are we willing to trust to keep that beast on the chain? "None" is again the proper answer of course. > This does not mean that I am any less a civil-cyber-libertarian No, of course not. How could anyone have thought so? Praise God, brother. Scrupulus

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BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS, JUNE 14, AT PGP Inc. IN SAN MATEO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cypherpunks June 97 Physical Meeting Announcement (SF Bay Area, Northern California chapter) Date: 14 June 1997 (second Saturday as usual) Time: 12pm - 4pm Host: Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Contact: Dave Del Torto - 415.596.1781 voice Agenda for 14 June 97 (subject to slight variations): 1.Angelos Keromytis & Hugh Daniel on their Linux IPSEC work: Hot news from the recent IPSEC interoperability bake-off in Michigan 2.PGP 5.0 Source Code Release & Public Review: The first release of *all* final PGP 5.0 source code to the People! PGP engineers will be present to discuss technical details and answer specific questions. A number of copies will be available (free) to attendees who wish to review the cryptography code (note: we recommend that you bring a box or bag, as it's 14 volumes and nearly 7,000 pages). 3.HIP97 Trip Planning Committee: A group from California is planning on attending the Hacking in Progress '97 event sponsored by XS4ALL in the Netherlands (8/9/10 Aug). This event is followed by the IETF meeting in Munich, and some will continue on. We'll discuss our cooperative travel plans. Cf. N.B.: Contact ASAP for flight info as flights are being booked up rapidly (high tourist season). [Editors Note: _High_ tourists in Amsterdam??] 4. Ian Goldberg's Cool Canadian Crypto Software for Pilot Organizers If somebody from Berkeley can give Ian a ride, he'll demo the crypto libraries and applications he wrote while out of the US. PGP Building Access: This is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. There is a minor building security formality due to the facilities being in a bank building: anytime after 12 noon, approach the Bayview Building's Information window (in the plaza, see below for directions), and ask the Guard on Duty to let you up to the 2nd Floor for the Cypherpunks meeting (use the passphrase "cypherpunks release code"). If you have any difficulty (eg. if the guard is on a break), simply call me at 415.730.3583 and I'll let you in. You can arrive at any time during the scheduled meeting hours, though earlier is better if you want to hear the interesting stuff. Directions to PGP: Pretty Good Privacy's HQ is located at: 2121 South El Camino Real 9th Floor - (the meeting is on the 2nd Floor) San Mateo CA 94403, USA Directions available here http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head or follow DDT's Directions to PGP's HQ in San Mateo (fossil fuel version): MACRO From the North Bay: Hwy 101 South (use right lanes after passing SFO) EXIT Fwy 92 West (move to center lane immediately after ramp)... or 280 South (take Hwy 92 East toward the Bay)... From the South Bay: 101 North - EXIT Fwy 92 West (toward Half Moon Bay)... 280 North - EXIT Hwy 92 East (toward the Bay)... From the East Bay: San Mateo Bridge (Hwy 92 West) GO past Hwy 101... MICRO Once you're on Hwy 92 (from either 280 or 101) EXIT at SOUTH El Camino Real (From 101 it's about a mile, and there are two El Camino exits!) (From 280 it's about 7 miles, after you've come down a steep grade, levelled out and passed under an overpass) Curve around and down under freeway: you're now travelling south on El Camino Real. Get in the LEFT lane *immediately*. (Directly in front of you, you can see the Bayview Building a couple of blocks away: it's the only highrise around.) LEFT on 20th (The very first traffic light after exit ramp. Taco Bell is on left). RIGHT turn at next stop sign (residential street: Palm). PROCEED 1.5 blocks. (Parking Garage entrance at rear of Bayview building is on your right.) PARK on the 2nd level. NANO Once you've parked your vehicle in the Garage (it's free): STAIRS (or Elevator) to the main level, step out and... WALK WEST across the courtyard to the main (tallest) building. PASS through the doorway in the stand-alone exterior "glass wall" and approach the "Information" window (also the Guard Station) on the north side of the building. GET the guard's attention (preferably *not* by waving a firearm). Use the passphrase and you'll be admitted. If the guard's on a break, call me at 415.730.3583. ELEVATOR to 2nd Floor. (The meeting room is on left side, slightly down the hall) Public Transit For CalTrain, get off at the San Mateo station near the Bay Meadows horse racing track and head for the tallest building around with the huge "Bayview" sign on top. It's a short walk or cab ride. By bus, take any line running on El Camino Real to the intersection of 20th in San Mateo and dismount. Look up: you're there. - ------------------ Announcement also available at http://www.pgp.com/newsroom/cpunk-info.cgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBM54YkvthU5e7emAFAQFF8AH+M0LItG6OfTn4h8BNF+51RLsuQHWq1TgY IN+R3j+A7AJno7lUxP612Ctm5m/3V2dAa5HrScyCfm3KUiPDxOqozQ== =gMPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: BAD ADVICE WARNING from Kent: Access to Storage and Communication
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706110235.VAA04670(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/10/97 at 09:35 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >> Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> writes: >> > Passphrases can be memorized. 4mm DAT tapes hold several gigs and are >> > tiny. Ever see one? Fits in your pocket. It's smaller that an audio >> > cassette. Fairly easy to guard, but, if your data is backed up in >> > encrypted form (cyphertext), and not clear text, you don't even need to >> > bother protecting the tape. (That is unless your backup software uses a >> > weak cypher as most tend to do.) [FYI: Your knowledge of tape >> > technologies is severly lacking. 4mm tapes hold 2-4Gb. Exabytes 5Gb-10Gb. >> > Mamouth Exabytes (same size as 8mm camcorder video tapes, smaller than >> > audio cassettes) hold as much as 40Gb in a very small form factor.] >> >> I'm actually thinking of getting a pair of 4mm tape drives to replace >> my existing backup system (very old drives that use DC 600As; only >> .25GB / drive, pretty slow, no NT drivers; time to upgrade) >> >> I wonder: if the data is well-encrypted, wouldn't it make the compression >> pretty ineffective? >You can compress before the encryption (if the encryption algorithm does >not do compression). >tar cvfz - /directory | Encrypt > /dev/ftape >or something like that. >Another thing to worry about is being able to at least partially restore >data if one or several blocks get corrupted. Well for backup purposes one would probably want to do their encryption on a block size < file size. As an example for a 1M file you could encrypt it as 10 seperate 100k blocks (or any suitable block size) rather than encrypting the entire file in one block. I have programs on my system that will do this for me but it would be best if all of this was built into the backup software. Myself I don't use tape. I use mirrored HD's and MO's & CD for short & long term archives. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM567949Co1n+aLhhAQGm1AQAlmPPWerzMnltKwo0wyqD2eKiABc5pr1u InvkvQoi9F3bvc8HXi/qOVZoDU49fmBWPmObz425pRNz412ilnlaUNn+nS2QhtdS o+SB/TQWaJ8afwxdQr3N+aUyTCgxFEQjzNE1rsJF68/eZK5pxii5zbn/NkG1RiYx 3B340rEWGEk= =5Dqc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Personal info regulation [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > COMPANIES AGREE TO ADDRESS CYBER-PRIVACY CONCERNS > > graphic > > June 10, 1997 > Web posted at: 7:34 p.m. EDT (2334 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Hoping to stave off strict government curbs, > Lexis-Nexis and seven other companies that sell detailed personal > information about Americans agreed Tuesday to voluntary limits to > minimize privacy intrusions. > > But consumer advocates at a Federal Trade Commission hearing > insisted that mandatory rules were needed to crack down on growing > abuses by electronic data companies, especially because many smaller > companies aren't part of the agreement. [remainder deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Laptop theft [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > PC, PHONE HOME > > Laptop > > Industry aims to stop theft of laptops > > June 10, 1997 > Web posted at: 11:45 p.m. EDT (0345 GMT) > > From Correspondent Greg Lefevre > > SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) -- Expensive, compact and frequently out and > about, a laptop computer makes an attractive target for thieves. > > But the computer industry has devised some ingenious ways to counter > theft, including invisible software that knows when the computer is > in trouble. [remainder deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Trolling for Children, Cypherpunks, or LEA's?
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

se7en, Grand Protector of "Us", wrote: > > When I stopped lurking on this list and became a > regular poster, one of the things I quickly became known for was my > on-line harrassment of those who hurt us as a group. Thank you for your harrassment of the victims of your harrassment on my behalf. > Many old-timers here will remember my harrassment of a > a worldwide volunteer force that searched out indecency > on the net So it is a good thing to harrass people who do this? Thanks, I'll remember that. > As many of you know, I make a living as a professional speaker, with > federal government, military and intelligence communities as my core > audience. I am certain that you tell them what the federal government and military think they need to hear an are well received. > I recently went off on a serious rant with three different audiences on a > topic I felt was seriously exaggerated/over-hyped/fearmongered/bullshit. But you would never do that again, right? > some idiot from an anonymous address > sent me a child porn .jpg file. Trust me when I say it was child porn Nope. Afraid I like to check facts for myself. > I looked around on IRC on #teensex, and found: > #preteensexpics > #littlegirlsex > #100%preteensexpics > #100%preteensexfuckpics > #!!!!!!preteensexpics I looked too, but didn't find it. > I joined several of these channels and found that > upon entering each one, I was auto messaged about special kiddie porn > servers dedicated to trading, e.g., > PreTeenSexPics - FTP at 130.67.80.230 l/p ncc/ncc [|] I couldn't confirm this myself. Looked like pretty normal files to me. > I started logging the channels. I wanted to silently gather IP addresses > and email addresses. These people needed some genuine hacker terror. And to think that a short time ago, they didn't even exist, according to your rants. > I logged out of IRC, and then went to USENET, in such rooms as: > alt.binaries.erotica.children.pre-teen I couldn't find this "room" either. Are you sure this stuff doesn't exist only on your computer? > Several messages also pointed to some WWW sites, such as: > http://www.nudebooks.com Did you check it out? I did. I saw a lot of art. I didn't see any age discrimination. Maybe they need to be harrassed. Perhaps you could start by harassing the naturalists who have pictures of their families taken in the buff because they don't seem to realize that their bodies are vile, disgusting things. Then you could harrass those who document the photography of Lewis Carroll, who took pictures that aren't acceptable to present day moralists because our children now live long enough that we can stunt their sexual growth without dire consequences for survival of the species. > Well, this whole situation is unacceptable. First, I would like to > apologize to all those who have hired me in the past, and were subject to > my emotional rants about how the whole subject was bullshit and not real. But now we should liste to your emotional rants about the whole subject demands that we harrass people over it? Right. > I know this type of activity is > not tolerated by us. Which type? The type of activity where naturalists take pictures of themselves and their families? The type of activity where those who celebrate the human physique in their art don't use an artificial cut-off date to decide when art becomes obscenity? > I have given you enough information above to start > identifying the players in this and the places they congregate. No you haven't. > Yes, I am advocating malicious, destructive hacking activity against > these people. And this time you're not *wrong* like you were before, right? > These people need to be eradicated from the Internet. I'll rent the Ryder truck, you buy the fertilizer. We'll only kill the "guilty," right? TruthMonger

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Re: [Noise, California only] Good deal on ISDN access (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > From: Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: [Noise, California only] Good deal on ISDN access > Assuming you can get 56k over your POTS line. Less than 20% of US > households can even link up at 28.8k. ISDN is a clean solution that will That is an interesting stat, I have considerably better luck than this. I would guess about 80% of my customers and people I know using them get full bandwidth most of the time. I use 33.6 on SSZ and everyone of my users with this get consistent speed. My dedicated lines seem quite stable over time as well. I prefer my ISDN over a normal modem. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I really don't think that se7en just wants to censor the kiddie porn sites; I think he is on a personal vendetta (like McVeigh). He didn't call for anyone to support legislation and propose new, tough laws, but called for hackers to go after this particular target. On the net anyone is prey, remember; kiddie porn dealers not exempted. It's moot to discuss whether eliminating a few thousand digital images will make any difference on the availability/market desireability of these pictures (I expect these are all backed up somewhere, anyway, so destroying them probably wouldn't actually make much difference, but just anger the owners.) How many photos of real children arranged into sexual poses or imposed upon to perform sexual acts does it take to satisfy an addict? How many photos which are not duplicates do these people actually possess, and how many more do they seek to obtain? Is it the number of them, or the thrill of the "new"? That a certain number of these photos are in circulation may not be so important as the fact that they are "new" (to the person looking to get them). This means that having free circulation of large numbers of images may be beside the point (I am speculating and calculating based on almost total ignorance of the psychology of this type of individual). If these pedophiles just want to fantasize, I would offer they could get a package of Macromedia Freehand or Director and Photoshop and create their own. But that probably wouldn't be satisfactory to them. I expect there is something in the qualities and character of real children which draw them. But I digress. The subject was hacking at your own chosen target. Some people hack children's innocence; some people hack the hackers. Que sera' sera'. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS, JUNE 14, AT PGP Inc. IN SAN MATEO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cypherpunks June 97 Physical Meeting Announcement (SF Bay Area, Northern California chapter) Date: 14 June 1997 (second Saturday as usual) Time: 12pm - 4pm Host: Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Contact: Dave Del Torto - 415.596.1781 voice Agenda for 14 June 97 (subject to slight variations): 1.Angelos Keromytis & Hugh Daniel on their Linux IPSEC work: Hot news from the recent IPSEC interoperability bake-off in Michigan 2.PGP 5.0 Source Code Release & Public Review: The first release of *all* final PGP 5.0 source code to the People! PGP engineers will be present to discuss technical details and answer specific questions. A number of copies will be available (free) to attendees who wish to review the cryptography code (note: we recommend that you bring a box or bag, as it's 14 volumes and nearly 7,000 pages). 3.HIP97 Trip Planning Committee: A group from California is planning on attending the Hacking in Progress '97 event sponsored by XS4ALL in the Netherlands (8/9/10 Aug). This event is followed by the IETF meeting in Munich, and some will continue on. We'll discuss our cooperative travel plans. Cf. N.B.: Contact ASAP for flight info as flights are being booked up rapidly (high tourist season). [Editors Note: _High_ tourists in Amsterdam??] 4. Ian Goldberg's Cool Canadian Crypto Software for Pilot Organizers If somebody from Berkeley can give Ian a ride, he'll demo the crypto libraries and applications he wrote while out of the US. PGP Building Access: This is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. There is a minor building security formality due to the facilities being in a bank building: anytime after 12 noon, approach the Bayview Building's Information window (in the plaza, see below for directions), and ask the Guard on Duty to let you up to the 2nd Floor for the Cypherpunks meeting (use the passphrase "cypherpunks release code"). If you have any difficulty (eg. if the guard is on a break), simply call me at 415.730.3583 and I'll let you in. You can arrive at any time during the scheduled meeting hours, though earlier is better if you want to hear the interesting stuff. Directions to PGP: Pretty Good Privacy's HQ is located at: 2121 South El Camino Real 9th Floor - (the meeting is on the 2nd Floor) San Mateo CA 94403, USA Directions available here http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head or follow DDT's Directions to PGP's HQ in San Mateo (fossil fuel version): MACRO From the North Bay: Hwy 101 South (use right lanes after passing SFO) EXIT Fwy 92 West (move to center lane immediately after ramp)... or 280 South (take Hwy 92 East toward the Bay)... From the South Bay: 101 North - EXIT Fwy 92 West (toward Half Moon Bay)... 280 North - EXIT Hwy 92 East (toward the Bay)... From the East Bay: San Mateo Bridge (Hwy 92 West) GO past Hwy 101... MICRO Once you're on Hwy 92 (from either 280 or 101) EXIT at SOUTH El Camino Real (From 101 it's about a mile, and there are two El Camino exits!) (From 280 it's about 7 miles, after you've come down a steep grade, levelled out and passed under an overpass) Curve around and down under freeway: you're now travelling south on El Camino Real. Get in the LEFT lane *immediately*. (Directly in front of you, you can see the Bayview Building a couple of blocks away: it's the only highrise around.) LEFT on 20th (The very first traffic light after exit ramp. Taco Bell is on left). RIGHT turn at next stop sign (residential street: Palm). PROCEED 1.5 blocks. (Parking Garage entrance at rear of Bayview building is on your right.) PARK on the 2nd level. NANO Once you've parked your vehicle in the Garage (it's free): STAIRS (or Elevator) to the main level, step out and... WALK WEST across the courtyard to the main (tallest) building. PASS through the doorway in the stand-alone exterior "glass wall" and approach the "Information" window (also the Guard Station) on the north side of the building. GET the guard's attention (preferably *not* by waving a firearm). Use the passphrase and you'll be admitted. If the guard's on a break, call me at 415.730.3583. ELEVATOR to 2nd Floor. (The meeting room is on left side, slightly down the hall) Public Transit For CalTrain, get off at the San Mateo station near the Bay Meadows horse racing track and head for the tallest building around with the huge "Bayview" sign on top. It's a short walk or cab ride. By bus, take any line running on El Camino Real to the intersection of 20th in San Mateo and dismount. Look up: you're there. - ------------------ Announcement also available at http://www.pgp.com/newsroom/cpunk-info.cgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBM54YkvthU5e7emAFAQFF8AH+M0LItG6OfTn4h8BNF+51RLsuQHWq1TgY IN+R3j+A7AJno7lUxP612Ctm5m/3V2dAa5HrScyCfm3KUiPDxOqozQ== =gMPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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unsubscribe tmoore48@ix.netcom.com
by Giggles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsubscribe tmoore48(a)ix.netcom.com

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