December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: spam on this list
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 23 Jun 97 at 11:26, Jason William RENNIE wrote: > NO i dont wish to post any, i just want to know if this list has > spam sent to it ?? I started reciveing various pieces in the last > couple of days and i'm trying to identify the source. Spam *is* free speech, you know. <g> Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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http:--cnnfn.com-digitaljam-9706-23-netbiz-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DIGITAL AlphaServer Systems [INLINE] Digital Jam [INLINE] Big Brother brouhaha Privacy concerns lead on-line marketers to try softer approaches June 23, 1997: 11:08 a.m. ET [LINK] [INLINE] Archenemies join hands - June 11, 1997 FTC tackles privacy - June 10, 1997 [IMAGE] Federal Trade Commission TRUSTe NEW YORK (CNNfn) - There's an Internet argument going on. [INLINE] On one side are people who want to surf the Net in peace, free from the "spam" and insidious snooping of those anxious to make a quick buck. [INLINE] On the other side are businesses looking to take advantage of the Internet's promise as a vehicle for reaching specific customers cheaply and efficiently. [INLINE] Can the two sides coexist? Or will privacy advocates succeed in driving cyber-hawkers off line? [INLINE] Unlikely, experts say. That's because online companies are starting to use other marketing tools that make people worry less about Big Brother. [INLINE] The issue has heated up lately. Privacy rights groups are alarmed about the potential for abuse with junk e-mail and other invasive technology. In response, the Federal Trade Commission is probing whether marketers are snooping too much. [INLINE] The industry, meanwhile, is coming up with its own solutions to prevent lawmakers from stepping in. [INLINE] Experts say most of the practices raising eyebrows aren't much different from what's been happening off-line for years. Yet other analysts concede there is danger in an age where extensive personal information is available with the press of a key. [INLINE] "Consumers don't like to be shoulder-surfed when they're online," said Kate Delhagen, a senior analyst with Forrester Research Inc. in Cambridge. "(But) this is not a deal-breaker for the Web. The Web is alive and well and will continue to thrive. These little bombs will continue to go off, and they'll continue to be fixed." [INLINE] Besides e-mail, or "spamming," some marketers use browser technology to find out where a user has been on the Net or track him when he leaves a site by following his electronic footprints. Companies are also selling information on databases. [INLINE] "It's as if they can shadow you on the Web," said Susan Scott, executive director of TRUSTe, a non-profit organization of 50 companies whose mission is to promote trust in online commerce. [INLINE] Dan Miller, senior editor with The Web Magazine in San Francisco, thinks junk e-mail and the other practices aren't central to doing business online. [INLINE] "You can do business online without violating someone's privacy," Miller said. [INLINE] Instead of flooding people with junk e-mail, or "spam," some companies such as Amazon.com ask users if they want to be notified about new products, Miller said. That puts the control in the hands of the users, he said. [INLINE] In other cases, companies are creating new partnerships, like the one between Border books and Salon, an online Arts magazine, Miller said. At the end of Salon's book reviews is a link to Border so people can order the book. [INLINE] Experts said the disputed methods do work - but at the risk of alienating customers. [INLINE] "People universally hate spam," said Evan Schwartz, author of "Webonomics" and a contributing editor to "Wired" magazine. Smart Web sites treat customers respectfully by avoiding mass e-mailing or selling information from lists, he said. [INLINE] Scott said spamming is more widespread among smaller companies because it's so cheap - pennies for each e-mail address compared to a few dollars for each name in direct mail. [INLINE] "It's a numbers game - the more you send out, the more response you get," Scott said. The method has about a 1 percent return. [INLINE] Sanford Wallace, founder and president of Cyber Promotions, the largest bulk e-mail company in the country, insists the practice doesn't violate privacy. But he helped organize the Internet E-Mail Marketing Council to promote ethical standards. The council has a central address where people can get their names removed from all mass e-mailers. [INLINE] While the new standard might mean the loss of huge numbers of customers, "there are still millions and millions left," Wallace said. [INLINE] Tracking has been effective to help marketers find out about a person's interests so they can target ads, Scott said. If a person visits gardening sites, for example, a vendor can flash banner ads on the topic. [INLINE] "People don't understand the technology and there's a lot of anxiety about it," Scott said. "There's so much bad press that it's past the point of educating the consumer." [INLINE] Controversy about tracking was so heated two archrivals, Microsoft Corp. and Netscape Communications Corp., recently proposed a common standard so users can control how much information is available about themselves. [INLINE] Experts say selling information from databases isn't much different from what's been happening in the catalogue business. [INLINE] "That type of thing happens all the time," said Don Heath, president and chief executive of the Internet Society, a non-profit organization of 8,000 individuals and organizations. [INLINE] Eight information companies, including LEXIS-NEXIS, recently adopted guidelines to protect personal information like Social Security numbers on databases. [INLINE] Scott argued that most online companies still rely on traditional advertising. [INLINE] "These (disputed) methods haven't been widespread," Scott said. "Even Yahoo goes on TV to tell people to get on the Web. To reach the mass market, you have to go through traditional means." [INLINE] Scott thinks the uproar about electronic privacy will force people to think about the issue off-line, too. People have resigned themselves to getting piles of junk mail and catalogues, for example. [INLINE] "People had given up trying to protect their privacy, but this will make them think about it again," Scott said. Link to top [INLINE] -- Martine Costello [INLINE] quote box [INLINE] - Kate Delhagen [INLINE] Wallace photo [INLINE] Sanford Wallace doesn't think bulk e-mail violates privacy home | digitaljam | contents | search | stock quotes | help Copyright © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm reading a book, "Who Will Tell the Truth" with some very clear insights into How it All Works. The bottom line is the Bottom Line and the reason the crypto debate is going this way is due to exactly one thing: Money. I know there are those amongst this readership who feel that there is no place for the usual political process in dealing with the crypto issues, but that's not a universal or a given, nor is it necessarily practical in the long run. But within the existing structure the missing component in the debate is the active participation of a lot of dollars. The weight of Micro$osft + Netscape + (name your favorite list) is miniscule, and their players woefully inexperienced, compared to McDonnell D., G.E. Fed., TRW., Lock/Martin, IBM, and others who stand to gain hugely from a Federally-mandated and controlled PKI. Those heavyweights are all drinking buddies with the other Washington sorts who are in search of ever-expanding missions in life, and the result is a coterie who's primary interest isn't even remotely concerned with Child Pornography, Money Laundering, etc. but their own aggrandizement measured in personal and corporate dollars. There are no doubt massive investments being made by Industry in the conservative thinktanks who produce the intellectual fodder-de-jour that supports the position of this elite, and overwhelm the likes of McCain and Kerrey with impossible-for-the-legislature-to-understand managed "information" which boils it all down to the 4 Horsemen arguments. What's necessary here is a knowledgeable application of the same techniques, a coalition organization comprised of large business interests with an awareness of how Bad this all is, competing on the same turf. Noble anarchist or Constitutional arguments, whining about our Rights and such, are insignificant and irrelevant to the players. Who will belly up to the bar and provide leadership on terms that will truly be effective? ======================================================= At 10:16 AM 6/21/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > > >The "Meeting of the Eight," formerly the G7, is happening in Denver. >Listening to what's coming out of it, it's apparent that the Four Horsemen >are front and center. Clinton is speaking of a network of banking and >communications policy coordinators, to detect and halt drug dealing, money >laundering, and nuclear terrorism. > >This fits with the details of reports about global wiretapping efforts, >about joint intelligence activities, and, of course, with the OECD/GAK laws >being proposed, passed, and about to be signed into law about "Key >Recovery" and "Trusted Third Parties." > >The fix is in. > >It probably won't be long before Stronghold is barred for export from >either Britain or RSA (the other one); both Tony Blair and Nelson Mandela >are Friends of Bill, so a few phone calls should take care of that little >problem. (And Norway and the other Scandinavian countries are part of the >global wiretap agreement, so I rather doubt free export of PGP 5.x code out >of Norway will be feasible, despite the OCR effort now underway there.) > >(Not that Clinton will mention Stronghold to Blair...that's far too much >microdetail. Jimmy Carter might have gotten involved at that level, but not >Bill. Details will be left to underlings.) > >The call to Japan, probably the visit by David Aaron, stopped NTT's plans >for exporting the RSA chip. > >Anguilla and other "offshore" havens, will be subject to the same kinds of >pressure. Mark my words. > >It's not hopeless. Physical havens are vulnerable, to all sorts of >pressures (I doubt many cryptographers want to set up shop in Libya or >Iraq, not that these places would be hospitable to Cypherpunks sorts of >goals and methods). > >Going underground, using the untraceable features of cyberspace, may be the >last, best hope. > >--Tim May > >There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. >Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > > >

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.LNX.3.91.970622115344.593A-100000(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk>, on 06/22/97 at 11:58 AM, Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> said: >I think that finally the poloticians in D.C, London, Berlin and all the >other major capitals have caught on, and realised that open availability >of anonymity, security and strong crypto can only lead to crypto anarchy, > they are *scared*, this time they are no longer do-gooding idiots, they >are out to cover their own backs... There have only been 2 intrests of the politition: CYA -- Cover Your Ass LYP -- Line Your Pockets There is also the desire to get re-elected but that directly relates to the two above. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM61ko49Co1n+aLhhAQGylQQAvLLnNgbu5SamAMMimF0BYina9gNdXkf6 r52wIpTncCHVeFS8khA73IcIwCOyMi7ktFuVOJKUWT/cNdFoMYEp2bDbai/KzVcx O/2ueFTiqEQNk2WR4caTABJtPxASRxPa7X8M8u9gdaBUwHOCTj+yRcDxAhxaAc3+ Ma29OH+tgxk= =kCas -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ownership of McCain
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was suggested that I look a little at McCain, so here is a dribble; I think it's instructive to see the following PAC's on McCains feedlist. Anyone who thinks that these Co.'s won't profit tremendously in the deployment of a Federally-designed and mandated PKI is taking the wrong drugs ..... (note: obviously these figures are meaningless in terms of actual $$$ amounts. They only serve to indicate that real soft money is flowing from the same source.) 4,000 05/03/95 AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 2,500 02/14/95 ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (AKA) APA PAC 2,500 11/17/95 ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (AKA) APA PAC 1,000 02/27/95 AMERICAN AIRLINES POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 100 03/29/95 AMERICAN SUPPLY ASSOCIATION PAC 500 02/02/95 BDM INTERNATIONAL, INC. POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (BDM-PAC) 500 03/01/95 BP AMERICA PAC >>>> 1,000 02/06/95 CIVIC ACTION FUND - LORAL SYSTEMS GROUP (FKA GOODYEAR AEROSPACE CORP PAC) 2,000 05/11/95 FEDERAL EXPRESS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE "FEPAC" 1,000 09/18/95 FEDERAL EXPRESS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE "FEPAC" 3,000 09/18/95 FEDERAL EXPRESS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE "FEPAC" >>>> 1,000 01/16/95 MARTIN MARIETTA CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE >>>> 1,000 03/13/95 MARTIN MARIETTA CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE >>>> 1,000 02/17/95 MCDONNELL DOUGLAS EMPLOYEES' POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 1,000 08/17/95 PMAA/SMALL BUSINESS COMMITTEE 1,000 02/10/95 PODIATRY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE >>>> 1,000 03/11/95 RAYTHEON COMPANY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 1,000 02/22/95 SVGGS FUND 1,000 03/14/95 TALLEY INDUSTRIES, INC, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (TALLEY-PAC) 1,000 02/23/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 100 03/14/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 3,550 03/14/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 350 03/14/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 31,100

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Assault on Pornography
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since the U.S. legislature is so concerned about child pornography and the government is interested in promoting world-wide enforcement of laws meant to fight evil, I was wondering about the following scenario: Manuel Noriega sends pictures on the internet to Iraq of women with their ankles showing and their heads uncovered. Iraq sends an armed force to the U.S. to capture Noriega and take him to Iraq for trial. Sure, a few thousand U.S. troops and citizens might die, but it is for the greater good, right? Scenario Two: Bill Clinton sends a picture on the internet to Iraq of Hillary, with her ankles showing and her head uncovered... TruthMonger

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McCain's War for Security
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The New York Times Magazine had a feature story on Senator McCain a week or two ago which covered in detail his personal, military and political history and his heroic struggle to meet the high standards set by his admiral father, the Navy and individual ethics. His long imprisonment by the North Vietnamese due to a refusal to be released as the well-known son of a prominent admiral was cited as an example of his duty to to put national interests above his own. This iconic treatment of a national hero is worth pondering for the way it reveals what Tim calls "the fix is in." The imposition of protective measures often occurs through those with impeccable credentials, especially by appealing to the ones who believe that their special role is to rise above ordinary struggles and dispense exceptional wisdom, fairness and justice. The question on McCain is: has he been sold on the threat to national security of cryptography by appealing to his deep patriotism, his belief in a special duty to protect the nation, to fight its "war" with the day's enemies. Such feeding of grandiloquence is historical practice of the Richlieus running the government, raiding the till, commanding the academies, distributing authorizations to placate antsy kings-in-queue. The cariacature of this are "banana republics" where military and political saviors justify coups in the name of the "public interest," or "the people," fairly well in accord with threats to authority. Military, naval and governmental academies worldwide teach this belief in the special duty of public servants, notwithstanding the evidence that some graduates reap the not-so-public rewards. As amply displayed in S.936, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 1998, the perennial US banana republic raid on the till. Read it to see who McCain thinks are the nation's enemies and protectors and who are the supreme judges of both. What's not as well publicized about leadership academies of all kinds is that they also teach (and practice) the Machiavellian wisdom of most stringent laws and harshest enforcement for challenges to the authority to govern, to tax, to command, to rule. To assure "national security" for those who thrive on it.

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Dirty hands kill more people (80K/yr) than guns (FWD)
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This needed to be shared... Expect government hand escrow any day now. From: aib(a)col.hp.com (Allan Best) Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,al t.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics .libertarian,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,alt.law-enforcement Subject: Re: Dirty hands kill more people (80K/yr) than guns Date: 17 Jun 1997 20:18:00 GMT Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division ec Roberts (armed_and_safe(a)technologist.com) wrote: : On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:00:03 +0900, Jason Gottlieb : <zj5j-gttl(a)asahi-net.or.jp> wrote: : {snip} : >The #1 murder weapon is a hand with a handgun in it. : > : The #1 murder weapon is a hand. This is so, : regardless of the tool in that hand. : Bob The obvious solution is to register all hands. Hands must be kept away from children. To protect children, a hand shall not be transported to within 1000 yards of any school, playground or daycare facility. All concealed carry hands must be registered. Concealed carry is banned in all government facilities, especially US Post Offices, and all public buildings including, but not limited to airports, bus stations, train depots and taxi stands. Furthermore, there shall be a 15-day waiting period and a background check before the purchase of any legal hand can be completed. Anyone caught with an unregistered hand shall have that hand immediately confiscated and be liable to a fine and/or imprisonment. The ownership of fully-automatic hands, assault hands, ugly hands, or cop-killer gloves is expressly forbidden. : > : >-- : >Jason Gottlieb : >Homepage goodies: Japanese SDF info, USA : > gun control info, travellogues, and more! : >http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl : **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** : **** www.ivic.net/~ecr **** --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: The spam thread
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 24 Jun 97 at 9:45, Jason William RENNIE wrote: > Anyway shall we let this thread die at this point ?? I've tried. But I am eternally pulled back in. Sometimes at the first post, sometimes later. As long as people have promiscuous mail boxes they will get spam, use a filter, use your delete key. Denial of service attacks are destructive and unproductive. Die, Spam thread, Die! Out, spot, out! Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Bomb-making instructions....
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The latest crime for which Senator Diane Swinestein has earned the [CENSORED] is her "bomb-making instructions on the Internet are illegal" bill. But I have a question. Does this mean CNN will face prosecution if it publishes the transcripts of the McVeigh case? Keith Henson, an explosives enthusiast since the early 1960s, was describing to us last night at a Silicon Valley party just how accurate the instructions were in the transcripts of the McVeigh trial, as the experts pointed out the steps needed to make the liquid explosive "Astrolight" (or "Astrolite"). Keith pointed out that most of the "lay" reports had repeated some of the usual lay errors about ammonium nitrate and fuel oil bombs, but that the full court transcript "got it right" on the conversion of the precursors to the more effective liquid form. It was Keith who raised the issue of the Swinestein bill making publication of court transcripts a crime...sort of collides with the notion of open trials.... (This party was a regular plotting opportunity...we figured out just how big a Ryder truck has to be to hold the "ergs" needed to take down some targets that sorely need taking down...all in theory, you understand.) We need to hold a trial for this bitch. Then a quick trip to the firewall. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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