December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Dr. Dobbs Cryptography and Security CD-ROM
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Copyright laws will do nothing to prevent the text from being distributed. >All copyright laws will do is make you able to punish "offenders" after >the fact. They have no mystical value to "protect" anything, especially >digital medium, which is easy to copy. What makes this case especially awkward is the fact that the CDROM can't legally be sold outside the US, which means the only way the rest of the world can get it is through illegal copies. Given the immense usefulness of something like this, I'd say it's only a matter of time before bootleg copies start appearing outside the US, but because of the USG's position we can't pay for it even if we want to (DDJ wouldn't look too good if they accepted payment for what they knew was illegally exported crypto). Perhaps a donation of the same amount to charity would serve as some equivalent to payment... Peter.

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Re: NRA and National Online Records Check bullshit
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Citizen-Unit T.C. May wrote: >(Somehow most people think it's OK that convicted felons lose their rights >to vote and to have guns. (Once they're released, of course.) Do they think >convicted felons no longer have religious freedom? Can no longer write as >they wish? Jeesh.) Citizen-Unit May is coming dangerously close to thought-crime in this message. The politically correct phrasing is as follows: "Since convicted felons lose their rights to vote and to have guns, surely there is no reason why they shouldn't also lose their rights to free speech and religious freedom. We must protect the children from such dangers." This issue provides clear support for our long tradition of compromising with the government on important issues - had we taken a "no compromise" stand on felon's rights to vote and own guns then we would not now be able to use that as justification for restricting further rights, just as prior compromise on the First Amendment rights of "child pornographers" has given the government a neccesary stepping-stone for restricting freedom of speech of adult pornographers and other authorized enemies. CompromiseMonger

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re:mailing list
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When did it become acceptable to be so stupid??? How many systems-experts do you know who use AOL frequently. OOh...I forgot about that new section, PGP For Dummies...(chuckle) C

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17 Dec '03

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Novell's Eric Schmidt on rating systems
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Novell's Eric Schmidt on rating systems So I'm logged in from the library of the National Press Club (my membership dues are finally going for something useful), where I just came from a breakfast meeting with Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Novell. We talked Net-politics, from copyright to crypto to Net-taxes. But I also pressed him on the problems of PICS-based rating systems like RSACi, noting that other governments have started to make them mandatory -- in a voluntary sort of way. "In the U.S., we're going to have all sorts of folks saying we need to have a mandatory rating system for web content.. The industry has pushed very hard for individuals to control things, not governments," he said. What about PICS making it easier for other governments to censor the Net? "We are not the other government's keeper... The beauty of the PICS stuff is that it's a framework for having the debate," he said. Next stop: the White House, where I expect this will come up again this afternon... -Declan

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Re: Marc Andreessen on encryption and CDA
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I suppose that's why US displays the greatest income disparity between rich and poor of any of the industrialized nations? Why some 10 or 20 billionaires collectively own more wealth than some 20% of the world's population? Or were you being sarcastic? At 07:58 PM 6/30/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Ah, but what is a market except voluntary transactions between people? >What is good for the market is good for the people. > >-Declan > >On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 geeman(a)best.com wrote: > >> My biggest problem is when the pundits (and by extension, those that punt >> to them) >> frame this entire debate in terms of the Market. To do so is to argue that >> only solutions >> that are good for The Market are good solutions; that when a particular >> policy is market-agnostic >> or market-negative, even though it may be good policy for People (yes, >> remember them ???) it is irrelevant or >> bad. This debate is NOT about the Worldwide Encryption Market! >> > > >

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Re: Has your privacy been invaded? Protected? Both?
by Dead Lucky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

geeman(a)best.com wrote: > I have been fairly careful and very jealous of my privacy; and then my name > and home address showed up on one of the name-search pages. I don't know if > it's still there, and I don't remember the link. But then the Similac > marketing Geniuses sent me something in the mail that even included the due > date of my expected child! And the predicted date of the death of your child is January 19, 2015, according to the Dead Lucky Assassination Bot statistics. The good news is that there is only $1.48 bet on this eventuality, so the chances are slim that anyone is going to go out of their way to collect (unless you are such a bad father that your child turns out to be a total asshole). D. Lucky

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Re: NRA and National Online Records Check bullshit
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > However, the issue is very complex. "The system" has a number of > discretionary points -- variable sentencing regiems, time off for good > behaviour, probation, parole -- all involve different levels of > constraints on rights, all constitutional. No doubt the laws resulting in people going to jail for the rest of their life for a "third felony" (i.e. - a $10.00 bad check in Texas) are "constitutional." After the (black, go figure...) person was given a life sentence for a $10.00 bad check, someone quoted the standard justification, "It's not a _perfect_ system, but its the best one we've got." (Hint: It was not the defendant who said this.) The rapist/murderers that we hear about being released because of a lack of prison space wave cheery good-byes to their marihuana smoking and bad-check writing pals as they drive away from the prison. And the way this relates to encryption is... ...the rapist/murderers of the future might well be waving goodby to the cryptographers, as well, since they rarely use encryption, and thus might well have a shorter sentence than their crypto-devil cellmate. TruthMonger

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Clinton's Laissez-Faire Policy
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday July 1 6:28 PM EDT Clinton Unveils 'Hands Off' Internet Strategy WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Hailing the Internet as an engine for future economic growth, President Clinton Tuesday unveiled a largely laissez-faire policy to promote commerce in cyberspace unburdened by new government taxes. See More at: http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/970701/politics/stories/internet_6.html =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Crypto Law Survey updated
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography laws and regulations. See the Crypto Law Survey at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm This update includes: - update on Australia (Walsh report), Germany (Interior Ministry opinion), Sweden (IT commission report), US (government bill amended, Kerrey-McCain bill, SAFE act amended and passed House committees, czar travel FOIA request) - clarification on Singapore (import, domestic), Japan (government cannot choose) - URLs added to Belgium (law proposals), Canada (export), UK (cyber-rights report) Comments are as always welcomed. Kind regards, Bert-Jaap --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law, Administration and facs +31 13 466 8149 Informatization, Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/bertjaap.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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