December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Thank You
by Joe Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Bug Bounty: Disappearing Cryptography...
by Peter Wayner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My publisher is preparing to reprint my book _Disappearing Cryptography_. As part of a general maintence scheme, I'm offering a reward of $10.00 for the first person to discover a technical error found in the book. Find as many as you can and win some cash. Naturally, there are some limitations to the offer: * Only the first person to report an error is eligible for the reward. The final decision in the case of a tie, will be up to me. The ties will be broken using the time my SMTP server (access.digex.net) receives the mail. I reserve the right to give out multiple rewards in the case of a tie or a close finish. In fact, I'll aim to do this. I just don't want the situtation to emerge where everyone can send me the same bug report and feel eligible for a reward. * Some multiple errors may only count once. Imagine that the third page was missing from the book. Technically, all following pages would be misnumbered. I reserve the right to group any collection of bugs together and label them one error. I will use this right judiciously to avoid hair splitting arguments, but not to deny people multiple rewards. The more errors that are fixed, the better. * Grammar errors aren't eligible, but I welcome any comments. These disputes are often more issues of taste than rule. -Peter Wayner

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Re: ???
by VME Encryption 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Bill Geiger, My first reacation to your followup letter was getting more upset, and I almost replied with another mad letter. But then I decided to better myself and see who I'm dealing with. I've looked at your web site, and looks like you might be a nice person. So, I tried to figure out the reason for the previous vicious letter that was completely unjustified and the following attacks you placed. I'll take it from the point that you might not know all the facts and explain. If that's not enough, I'm sorry. 1) The million dollars challenge is no longer valid for the last 3 months. 2) The current challenge bares NO monetary prize. 3) VME flowcharts, algorithm AND a working application is in the hands of 250 software companies for evaluation (Microsoft, IBM etc.) 4) We can not put it on the net, due to strict US export rules (as you mention in your web site as well) 5) Our program, flowcharts & algorithm have been filed with the US patent office and will be public domain within a year. If that helps explain our part, I'm glad. And if not, it's o.k. - it's a free country and everybody is entitled to their own mind. It's just feel sheety to be attacked by strangers that knows nothing about you, specially people that you might think should have some interest in keeping the individual right to privacy from government and te likes. We started this challenge with some goals in mind, but fighting with a group of cryptographers was not one of them. If anyone wants more technical data, we'll be glad to submit what we can under the circumstances, if someone wants to keep of flaming us, it's o.k. - but we won't respond anymore. Thanks, Project Management. At 09:17 AM 11/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >In <3.0.32.19971110100935.006d91b0(a)ibcnet.com>, on 11/10/97 > at 01:09 PM, VME Encryption <matrix(a)meganet.com> said: > >>I rest my case. Please email me your mailing address for the purpose of >>serving and we'll meet in court. > >Serve whatever you want, I will be glad to forward them to my lawyers. > >Just out of curiosity do you threaten to sue everyone who says somthing >you don't like?? > >BTW: you should keep posting *publicly* I showed the thread from the >CP-List and sci.crypt to my lawyers yesterday. They laughed so hard they >bought me free drinks at the clubhouse. Who knows a few more posts from >you and I may be able to get a steak dinner out of them. :) > >- -- >- --------------------------------------------------------------- >William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii >Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 > >Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice >PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. >OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html >- --------------------------------------------------------------- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3a >Charset: cp850 >Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 > >iQCVAwUBNGh40Y9Co1n+aLhhAQEeZwP8Cbi4+b1a1x0azGyG5gJm6t2XlW835lxj >7kZy8ejki6Nh3LiEMLjLtwN1SwPu78Gfyubn587qx9yNhuig4VMKvXOGXY3lDN4b >Q6WnAIrLC27oMtllewpJyfICZ01sdqaR8A4X2QkarhHHracn/xDo0EEDEfe6FrsN >NCG9mpjeEyU= >=byvY >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

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17 Dec '03

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DCSB: James O'Toole on Digital Coupons and Distributed Commerce
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Dr. James O'Toole Open Market, Inc. Digital Coupons and Distributed Commerce Tuesday, December 2, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Jim says, "Open Market's Transact commerce system version 3.0 introduces new Digital Coupon capabilities that enable merchants to create price promotion and special discount offers for their customers. Digital Coupons provide a secure way for an online merchant to easily implement repricing rules that a Transact-based distributed commerce system uses to adjust prices at the point of sale. This talk will include a brief overview of Open Market's commerce product suite and their architecture. I will explain how Digital Coupons work, provide concrete details of how Transact 3.0 processes coupons and their impact on APIs, screens, and smart statements. I will also discuss the implications of digital coupons and similar artifacts on the design of distributed commerce solutions that rely on trusted intermediaries." Dr. O'Toole is a senior member of the research and advanced development staff of Open Market. His current focus is on technology development and software product architecture. In 1997, Jim was responsible for the conception of Open Market's Digital Coupon products. Prior to joining Open Market in 1996, Jim completed his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, November 4, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We will attempt to record this meeting and put it on the web in RealAudio format at some future date We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, November 29, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: January Joseph Reagle "Social Protocols": Meta-data and Negotiation in Digital Commerce February Donald Eastlake SET We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com> . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5 iQEVAwUBNGmx0MUCGwxmWcHhAQH0LAf9FuAYUFQ+gf80qGXkzWOGMQ62FseOal56 +BPlynyDxk9FGAstvm73uDzDJa+Tr+o8kbA29MEIo0CWClUDMuTVOgXWXA4Uroqb /cDjhNG0K1VOvp+zcMQm7RBtLZA52bqjQ8ep/rAH2eKbHPtUk/Iuqh1IODEZY9mv u+RByPLs5eJwNRS0+k/6sbFAzqmJw41Q1KO5uHsXRWX82ZRq0S2XloxwuXTq+teR EXox/s3hk/9vEy/ZZp1Pc2ubWZjsS+CdU+Gv3pGqhQpF/24leapZFgABCD2H7EH/ /fCkt/LFFC0+AbRjYBvYop4uy0a1J+2TQ24KdFDl8P5UOIx5+FVlTg== =vtpD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Some IDIOT called CRYPTO CZAR INTERNATIONAL
by VME Encryption 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Paul, I'll ignore all profanities and go straight to the points you make: 1) Never heard of LCSR (or whatever) and we market our product ourself, Meganet Corporation from California USA. 2) AOL, NCR, Perot Systems & dozens other have already looked into the product and contaced us, so yes, they did saw it and liked what they saw. 3) you use a lot of acronyms - what is CMR ? LCSR ? 4) If you've been misinformed, then I hope that straighten it up for you, and if you're still upset about whatever, may god bless you. more info at www.meganet.com If you want more info and can keep a decent language, email us back. If you preffer to keep on flaming, cool for you, but we won't bother answering. p.s. - I wonder if you know what's the source of all the bad rep we've got - nobody knows us and we never posted anything on your forum, so what the heck ? Thanks.

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FRB Crypto Systems
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Federal Register, November 10, 1997 Excerpt from a Federal Reserve Bank announcement: ... the Reserve Banks plan to change their policy for ownership of the encryption boards used by depository institutions with dial and multi-drop connections. These encryption boards are currently purchased and owned by the depository institutions. With the replacement of the encryption boards beginning in the second half of 1998 to enhance the security of the Federal Reserve's communications network, the Reserve Banks plan to purchase and assume ownership of these boards. This approach is consistent with Reserve Bank ownership of other equipment at depository institutions that is required for electronic connections to the Federal Reserve, specifically link encryptors and signaling equipment. Reserve Bank ownership should improve management of the security of the network and facilitate the implementation of an all-electronic key distribution system. This change in policy may affect future-year electronic connection fees, as priced services must recover depreciation costs associated with the new encryption boards. ---------- Are these systems related to Kawika Daguio's comments on PCCIP forwarded by Declan yesterday? Anyone have more detailed info on the boards and link encryptors?

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Re: Bell vs. Woodward--justice?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Leaving aside the problem with a system where a judge can overturn the >decision of a Jury (I have not seen all of the evidence so have no idea >if she is guilty or innocent but if you enter a country you implicitly >agree to abide by their laws and legal system, however what is the point >of having a Jury if the Judge can do this sort of thing?) then the actual >problem is the length of time that Jim is spending in prison and nothing >to do with the Woodward case at all. It just goes to illustrate, once again, >how laws are selectively enforced and procedures slowed in order to punish >people who can not otherwise be punished as much as the administration would >like to. Throwing the woman in jail for eight months without her ever being convicted is itself an injustice. She should have been aquitted because of that bit of bullshit alone. Yes the same goes for anybody else who is punished in any way before they are convicted. That aside, you ask what the point of having a jury is if the judge can overturn a conviction. There's no problem with the judge overturning a conviction if the evidence warrants it, if the trial was a joke, or something along those lines. We don't convict people in this country based on what the public thinks of them, and that includes a jury. If the jury convicts somebody when the evidence doesn't warrant a conviction -- regardless of the reason why they convicted them, which may be as inane as "But he *might* have been gay, and Jesus doesn't like that" -- it is the judge's duty in the interests of justice to overturn the conviction. If the judge is overturning aquittals, then we have problems. And I would suggest we lock and load if the judge had done that and thrown her in prison. As it is, I only suggest that everyone lock and load because they threw her in jail before she was convicted. She hadn't yet had her trial, so she shouldn't have been in jail, period. The same goes for Jim Bell, his "crimes," and his waiting 7 months for sentencing. Lock and load.

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Re: More Crypto Statements
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What explains this flurry of crypto-statements on the floor of the Senate on Saturday and Sunday? Simple: Our elected representatives had nothing else to do. By late Sunday evening, the vote over fast-track had been postponed ten times as union and corporate lobbyists jockeyed for position with the White House for votes. While smoke was filling the back rooms of the Capitol, members had nothing else to do but twiddle their thumbs. Debate noncontroversial legislation. Recount election battles. And pledge loyalty to strong crypto. Of course increased (or at least more effective) industry lobbying had something to do with the floor statements. These sorts of brief speeches are a sign of a well-honed lobbying campaign. Note, BTW, the tone of the Senate statements. The defeat of Burns' ProCODE bill in the Senate means that crypto-proponents are on the defensive. Murray is forced to say S.909 (McCain-Kerrey) "does not go far enough" in lifting export ctrls -- true, since it also sets up a key escrow infrastructure. There is no pro-crypto bill in the Senate now for crypto-advocates to rally around. (Leahy's is a key escrow wishlist.) Also note that Dreier's statements are significant: "Congress should lift the controls on encryption software" and not move towards mandatory key escrow. He is a senior member of the House Rules committee, which will pass judgement on and reconcile the five versions of SAFE sooner or later. One of those versions is the FBI-friendly one with restrictions on manufacture, distribution, and sale of unapproved crypto products. -Declan At 20:20 -0500 11/10/97, John Young wrote: >Declan, anyone, is this flood of statements due to an >industry campaign, or one by Majortiy Leader Lott, >or Speaker Gingrich, or a combination, or what? > >What's your insider intel, Declan, will these initiatives continue >into the next session or are they just cheap dues paying >for the moment, while getting ready to sellout when the >rain of if-you-knew-what-we've-been-briefed shit showers >down next year?

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