December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

GAK
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. Mayonnaise is not only as queer as a three dollar bill, but he is also into having sex with children. ___ <*,*> Timothy C. Mayonnaise [`-'] ' - '

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Mission:Critical and Informal Fallacies
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been writing a gigantic e$ rant, :-), which I haven't done in a while, and so I've left things to pile up in my POP account until I was done. I'm done, and I'm still bashing the (blatant :-)) silliness out of it, and will send it here soon. In the meantime, I wanted to find a quick and dirty list of informal logical fallacies, and, while I was at it, I bumped into Mission:Critical, which is fairly comprenensive website on logic an critical thinking. Evidently you can earn college credit on it, for those of you who need college credit. :-). Here it is. http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/ Also, I've found a reasonable list of informal fallacies, from <http://ddi.digital.net/~setzerl/LOGIC.htm>, (which see for applicable attributions) which I've appended here. That way, you can all keep score at home. Expect me to use a bunch, whether I want to or not... :-). Notice that argumentum ad hominem is when you discount someone's opinion because of who they are or what they do. Vuperative insults, it seems, are another thing altogether. :-). It's a shame that Tim seems to have killfiled me at this point. Usually, I like it, because then I can post stuff here without him tearing me a new asshole very time. This time, since I'm doing the tearing, maybe he's just hiding. Which is fine, because he can run, but he can't hide on this crap anymore... More in a bit, when I get e$pam all caught up. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #1 Fallacies of Oversimplification SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE Special Pleading or "During a period of war sales Card-Stacking: Stacks the deck of increase, prices rise, and greater evidence to facilitate a desired profits are made. Therefore wars are outcome. brought about by persons who profit financially from them." Genetic Fallacies: Attempt to reduce the significance of a "Our nation cherishes freedom today, movement or a state of affairs since many of the founders of the merely to a proposed account of republic were men who prized freedom its origins or earliest more than life itself." antecedents. False Cause: Oversimplifies the relevant antecedents of a given "Rome fell because its leaders series of events. quarreled among themselves." False Analogy: Takes two or more objects which are similar in some "Minds, like rivers, can be broad. The ways and makes an unwarranted broader the river, the shallower it inference about the additional is. Therefore, the broader the mind, ways in which such objects could the shallower it is." be similar. Black-and-White Fallacy: Overlooks both gradations and "All politicians are either highly additional alternatives between efficient or completely inept." extreme positions. Accident: Applies a general "If it is wrong to break into a cabin, principle to an exceptional case then a cabin should not entered to without critical examination or save a party from freezing even though regard to context. they are caught in a blizzard." "Since it is permissible for a student Converse Accident: Generalizes to delay handing in his assignment if from an exceptional case to a he is called home on an emergency, it proposed general principle. is permissible for a student to delay handing in an assignment whenever he chooses to do so." "Smith, Jones, and Brown are members Hasty Generalization: Reaches a of labor unions and each of them is generalized conclusion on the interested in gaining the maximum pay basis of too limited a range of with the least amount of work. examples. Therefore, all members of labor unions are interested only in gaining the highest wage for the least work." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #2 Fallacies of Misuse of Appeal to Emotions SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE The Misuse of Appeal to Laughter: "Anyone who accepts the conclusions of Diverts attention from the my opponent would also be forced to central issues and stifles accept the view that the tail wags the serious thought and analysis. dog." The Appeal to Pity (Argumentum Ad "John deserves a 'C' in this class Misericordiam): Replaces relevant since his parents have sacrificed to evidence for a conclusion with a send him to college and he will not bid for the sympathy of an graduate if he receives a lower audience. grade." The Appeal to Reverence: Replaces "We must beware of foreign entangling relevant evidence for a alliances since Washington, the conclusion with a bid for respect founder of our nation, warned us for traditions. against taking such a course of action." The Bandwagon Fallacy: Appeals to an interest in following the "You ought to buy a small European crowd and doing as they do rather sports car as all members of the smart than to adequate evidence crowd now own one of these cars." justifying a conclusion. "I'm sure that you will recognize that The Common-Folks Appeal: Appeals I am more competent than my opponent. to attempts to secure acceptance When I was in high school I had to get of a conclusion by the speaker's up at four-thirty every morning to identification with the everyday deliver papers. In college I was concerns and feelings of an barely able to make C's and had to do audience rather than on the basis janitorial work in order to make ends of adequate evidence. meet to put myself through school. Therefore, I would make a better Congressman." Appeal to the Gallery (Argumentum "As you union members know, I am a Ad Populum): Seeks acceptance of champion of the labor movement, and a point of view by an emotional seek to eliminate exploitation of the reaffirmation of a speaker's common worker by big business. support of values, traditions, Therefore, you know you can trust my interests, prejudices, or judgment when I say that this provincial concerns shared widely agricultural legislation will be good by members of an audience. for the country." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #3 Fallacies of Involved or Complex Assumptions SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE Begging the Question (Petitio Principii): Assumes what needs to be "All the events in nature are proven and offers this assumption as determined. Human events are evidence for a conclusion that only part of the events in nature. particularizes the assumption or that Therefore, human events are restates an equivalent form of the determined." original assumption. Arguing in a Circle: Uses a premise as "Democracy is desirable because evidence to establish a conclusion, it promotes freedom of inquiry. and this conclusion is used as But why is freedom of inquiry evidence to establish the original desirable? Because it promotes premise. democracy." Name-Tagging: Assumes the attachment of labels to persons or things "This application is easy to constitute evidence for conclusions use. Look at its label, 'Easy about the objects to which the labels Applicator.'" are applied. "Anything that you say would be Poisoning the Wells: Discredits the influenced by your interest in source of proposed evidence, so that civil rights. You may make your the evidence is ruled out prior to any statement, but we shall know consideration of its merits. beforehand that it will be distorted and unreliable." Complex Question: Assumes or presupposes a certain state of affairs, so that any answer involves "Have you stopped telling lies?" the granting of the assumption. Leading Question: "Plants" a proposed "You do believe that longer answer to a question by the manner in vacations are desirable, do you which the question is asked. not?" Contradictory Assumptions: Attempts to make two or more contradictory "What would happen if an assumptions, thus violating the irresistible force met an Aristotelian rule of "either-or." immovable object?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #4 Fallacies of Imprecision in the Use of Language SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE The Misuse of Vague "You claim that you believe in free Expressions: Occurs if a enterprise, yet you accept socialistic conclusion not justified by practices of government like the War on evidence is attributable to Poverty and Medicare. The American way the misinterpretation of a of life has never endorsed a policy of vague expression. providing something for nothing." The Fallacy of Simple Ambiguity: Results from an effort to establish a "We cannot expect John to come since he conclusion by interpreting a said, 'Nothing will deter me from statement in a manner not coming.'" justified by the context. The Fallacy of Equivocation: "Everything subject to law is subject to Changes or shifts the meaning a lawgiver. The natural order is subject of a key expression in the to a law. Therefore, the natural order middle of an argument. is subject to a lawgiver." The Fallacy of Amphibole: Occurs if a conclusion not "No cat has nine tails. Any cat has one justified by evidence is based more tail than no cat. Therefore, any upon ambiguity attributed to cat has ten tails." the syntax of a sentence. The Fallacy of Ambiguity of Significance: Occurs in the "A period of higher unemployment is drawing of an improper developing, since there was a one conclusion by percent increase in the rate of misinterpretation of the unemployment in January." significance of a statement. A theme was returned to a student with The Fallacy of Accent: Occurs the notation, "Some parts of this theme when improper emphasis is are good and other parts interesting. placed upon a word, phrase, or The interesting parts are inaccurate and a sentence and on this basis a the good parts were copied." The student conclusion is inferred. wrote his parents, "The grader wrote that my theme was 'good' and 'interesting.'" The Fallacy of Division: "Since surgeons have spent many years in Infers that the property of an perfecting appendectomies, Dr. James organized whole also Doe, the new surgeon in our town, has characterizes the parts of the spent many years in perfecting his whole. technique in performing appendectomies." The Fallacy of Composition: "Since the members of this team are the Infers that the qualities or best players of their respective characteristics of parts of a positions in the conference, a team whole must also characterize composed of these players would be the the whole itself. best team in the conference." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #5 Fallacies of Irrelevance SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE Fallacies Misusing Appeals to Authoritative Sources: Support a conclusion by appeals to "Man must be immortal because this documents, generally held belief has tended to be present in beliefs, or the opinions of such widely differing societies in well-known persons that are not highly divergent circumstances over particularly germane or qualified such a long span of history." to deal with the point at issue. The Appeal to Force (Argumentum "You should accept the view that our Ad Baculum): Substitutes force or protection society can strengthen the the threat of its use for sales of your product. Otherwise you rational evidence in the support might find that your machinery has of a conclusion. been damaged and that your labor troubles increase." The Appeal to the Man (Argumentum Ad Hominem): Seeks to prove a "The statement of this witness cannot conclusion false by attacking the be accepted as reliable, since he character, reputation, participated in a protest associations, or social demonstration against the United situations of the person States' foreign policy when he was a proposing it. student in college." The Argument from Intimidation: Asserts arbitrarily that a person's idea is false and then uses the assertion as proof of "John asserts that no man is his that person's immorality. This brother's keeper. This is a false fallacy was identified by Ayn idea. Therefore, John is immoral." Rand in The Virtue of Selfishness. The Appeal to Ignorance (Argumentum Ad Ignorantium): Advances the position that if one "Since you cannot disprove that there conclusion in an argument cannot are flying saucers, you should accept be established convincingly, then as reliable the reports of those the opposing view can be claiming to have seen such objects." accepted. "Any high school graduate should be The Fallacy of an Irrelevant admitted to any university supported Conclusion or of "Missing the by taxes in his state, since he Point of the Evidence" (Ignoratio should be assured of all privileges Elenchi): Stresses factors that of citizenship guaranteed to him by may support a conclusion other the Constitution, his family also than the one proposed. pays taxes in that particular state, and he can get a better job if he is a graduate of a university." The Argumentative Leap (Non Sequitur): Jumps to a conclusion "The electoral college is subject to with no immediate basis for extreme criticism. Therefore, drawing the proposed conclusion presidential candidates should be provided internally within the nominated by popular votes rather argument. than by political conventions." Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After This, Therefore Because of This): Suggests that because one event "John had a cold. John took large follows another, the former must doses of vitamin C. The cold have caused the latter, without subsided. Therefore, the large doses showing a causal link. This of vitamin C caused the cold to fallacy was identified by Frank subside." R. Wallace in The Neo-Tech Discovery. ----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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by MakeCash＠moremoney.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: How anonymous?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If all anonymous posters make a concerted effort to write like Mr. >Nakatuji, not only will anonymity be assured, but the list will be a *lot* >funnier. I not RSA know how can be used, please to me send about anonymous information messages.

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Re: [cpe:4537] Tim May's defensive racism (was: about RC9) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:40:02 -0600 > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > Subject: Re: [cpe:4537] Tim May's defensive racism (was: about RC9) > Electronic communication is a bare-bones ASCII interpretation of > our intended communication. i.e. - stripped of intonation and other > physical gestures which convey a meaning beyond the mere words we > speak, in themselves. > Although there are some rudimentary ASCII images (:>) which can be > used to add elements of shared emotional or conceptual constructs to > the message we are attempting to convey. > > The Medium IS the Message. You clearly don't read real books...especialy those of the great authors of the world. People who believe the spin doctorism 'The medium is the message' usualy spend their time watching television or working for it. > Until the email/communications medium evolves to allow us the ability > to add not only smiles and winks, etc., but also chagrin, doubt, self- > doubt, etc., to our online communications, the medium will remain an > impediment to conveying the totality of our true message, as opposed to > being merely an electronic version of 'pidgin Englich'. This could happen provided we got rid of television and made graphics harder to print... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from IETF-Announce(a)ietf.org and ietf-open-pgp(a)imc.org --------------------------------------------------------------- A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. Title : OP Formats - OpenPGP Message Format Author(s) : R. Thayer, J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, H. Finney Filename : draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt Pages : 40 Date : 17-Nov-97 This document is maintained in order to publish all necessary information needed to develop interoperable applications based on the OP format. It is not a step-by-step cookbook for writing an application, it describes only the format and methods needed to read, check, generate and write conforming packets crossing any network. It does not deal with storing and implementation questions albeit it is necessary to avoid security flaws. OP (Open-PGP) software uses a combination of strong public-key and conventional cryptography to provide security services for electronic communications and data storage. These services include confidentiality, key management, authentication and digital signatures. This document specifies the message formats used in OP. Internet-Drafts are available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt". A URL for the Internet-Draft is: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt Internet-Drafts directories are located at: Africa: ftp.is.co.za Europe: ftp.nordu.net ftp.nis.garr.it Pacific Rim: munnari.oz.au US East Coast: ds.internic.net US West Coast: ftp.isi.edu Internet-Drafts are also available by mail. Send a message to: mailserv(a)ds.internic.net. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ds.internic.net can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <19971117171828.I-D(a)ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt <ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt> Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: RTFM-709
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > (sweet fuck-all) Jason wrote: > Information Server wrote: > > For information on the interception of plaintext email, > > send a reply to this message, with an empty message body > > and with a subject line -- "RTFM-709". Jason, I have attached a file which includes some of the responses sent to "Information Server <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>", as well as a post to the list, apparently from David E. Smith, the remailer operator at Bureau42, giving the 'correct' address of the non-existent 'Information Server' supposedly at Sympatico...and, as a special bonus, a post to the list, purportedly from you, thanking 'Dave' for the information. You are a victim of your own misplaced faith in the great god known as WYSIWYG. (What you see, is what you get. -- NOT!) If I _am_ <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>, then you have the satisfaction of knowing that if I suffer a serious regression into my former violent, psychotic delusional state, that the proper authorities will likely be able to track me down and prosecute me for you bizarre, sadistic murder. If I am _not_ <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>, well... Regardless, whether you are seeking information on email interception or home-study on how to committ bizarre sex acts with farm animals, your interest in this information is known to both whomever you send your request to, as well as everyone who you reply to in regard to offered information, as well as everyone that the recipients share your email with _and_ anyone who manages to access the email accounts or systems of _all_ of the forementioned. Since both your real and forged corresponedence has already gone to private email accounts, public mailing lists, and perhaps to USENET and beyond, I think you can see the advisability of using encryption to limit access to the plaintext of your message to only those you specifically encrypt the message to. You may not care if the whole world knows that you want information on email interception, or even about your fondness for farm animals, but there are undoubtedly things which you would rather keep between yourself and the intended recipient. If a real 'Information Server' had a verifiable Public Key for you to encrypt your reply to, then it would not likely matter if you sent the message to a spoof address, as unknown recipients could not likely read it. The same applies to your friends, relatives and bussiness acquaintances. If you use encryption for those things which are important for you to keep private, then you do not have to worry as much if they share an email account, computer or system with friends, family, coworkers or strangers. The 'spoof' I did was neither technically complicated nor even particularly clever. On the other hand, there are a plethora of people in existence who are both clever _and_ skilled at poking their noses in wherever they want and doing whatever they like with the information. Sincerely, Louis J. Freeh (aka TruthMonger) Director (aka Lunatic) Federal Bureau of Investigation (aka Electronic Forgery Foundation) "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "InfoWar" http://bureau42.base.org/public/infowar3 "The Final Frontier" >From - Sat Nov 15 20:53:35 1997 Received: from borg.mindspring.com (borg.mindspring.com [207.69.200.122]) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11966 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:34:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from ip164.hartford.ct.pub-ip.psi.net (ip164.hartford.ct.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.219.164]) by borg.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21805 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711160134.UAA21805(a)borg.mindspring.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is <mccaskill(a)[204.180.128.14]> From: "Tom McCaskill" <mccaskill(a)mindspring.com> To: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:32:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RTFM-709 Reply-to: mccaskill(a)mindspring.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) X-UIDL: c476fd8b1fe5744678d5d9e07eb2d8b4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0005 Content-Length: 0 >From - Sat Nov 15 20:53:30 1997 Received: from plato.stic.net (mail.stic.net [204.57.118.5]) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10112 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:26:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from polo ([207.71.51.94]) by plato.stic.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-39400U7000L2500S0) with ESMTP id AAA200 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:26:07 -0600 From: "joseph gonzales" <polo(a)stic.net> To: <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> Subject: RTFM-709 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:23:42 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971116012606195.AAA200@polo> X-UIDL: a13c8e2364693d62e597643d6c8ad2f3 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 372 ---------- > From: Information Server <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > To: Jason <rennie(a)one.net.au> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Mail interception > Date: Saturday, November 15, 1997 6:46 PM > > For information on the interception of plaintext email, > send a reply to this message, with an empty message body > and with a subject line -- "RTFM-709". >From - Sat Nov 15 20:53:36 1997 Received: from amiga.amitar.com.au (root(a)amiga.amitar.com.au [203.57.242.1]) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17491 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:58:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from Amitar.com.au (ppp54.amitar.com.au [203.57.242.54]) by amiga.amitar.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA11177 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:46:33 +0800 From: Shane Cracknell <shane(a)Amitar.com.au> Reply-To: shane(a)Amitar.com.au To: Information Server <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:58:27 +0800 Message-ID: <yam7259.1396.270667912(a)Mail.amitar.com.au> In-Reply-To: <346E4255.702B(a)sk.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Arthur do nowt...{We sell Apathy and inefficiency} Subject: RTFM-79 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: b2827ed9e3492e433439fad67b59537f X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 4 >From - Sat Nov 15 21:19:53 1997 Received: from clockking.lse.fullfeed.com ([199.201.90.25] (may be forged)) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03935 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:06:16 -0600 (CST) Received: by clockking.lse.fullfeed.com id VAA11358; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:05:52 -0600 sender meb for toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:05:52 -0600 From: mike belton <meb(a)clockking.lse.fullfeed.com> Message-Id: <199711160305.VAA11358(a)clockking.lse.fullfeed.com> To: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca Subject: RTFM-709 X-UIDL: 4396d0a3c0e4a0852673e89633beb9e4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 0 >From - Sat Nov 15 22:24:16 1997 Received: from mail.theptn.com (mail.theptn.com [209.0.16.30]) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21139 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:17:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp.monument.com (smtp.monument.com [209.0.16.25]) by mail.theptn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02089 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:18:29 -0800 Received: by smtp.monument.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:19:52 -0800 Message-Id: <4.0.32.19971115201303.00e102f0(a)postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Sender: ShellShocked (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 6 (build 221) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:13:25 -0800 To: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca From: Ann Oy <annoy(a)innocent.com> Subject: RTFM-709 In-Reply-To: <346E4255.702B(a)sk.sympatico.ca> References: <346E2E39.A29AFEE2(a)one.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-UIDL: e1233cae9478cc54a17e3153078fa699 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 0 >From - Sat Nov 15 22:35:14 1997 Received: from nsm.htp.org ([210.141.239.33] (may be forged)) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25016 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:34:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 21309 invoked by uid 1002); 16 Nov 1997 04:33:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cypherpunks-e-help(a)htp.org; run by ezmlm Sender: cypherpunks-e-owner(a)htp.org Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net X-ftpsite-URL: ftp://ftp.htp.org/pub/crypto/ X-unsubscribe-URL: mailto:cypherpunks-e-unsubscribe@htp.org X-subscribe-URL: mailto:cypherpunks-e-subscribe@htp.org X-Loop: htp.org Delivered-To: mailing list cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org Message-ID: <346E7541.5A13(a)one.net.au> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:23:29 -0600 From: Jason <rennie(a)one.net.au> Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [cpe:4407] Re: Mail interception References: <346E2E39.A29AFEE2(a)one.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 62e1bb695fcc53b7875b438fa194910d X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 651 David E. Smith wrote: > Jason wrote: > > So, does anybody know how to or where i can get information on > > intercepting email from ? > > > > Any help that can be provided would be greeatly appreciated. > Jason, > Some asshole spoofed the list with the wrong reply address for the > Information Server at Sympatico. > The correct address is: Information Server <ualdv8(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Your subject header should be: "Help" > The body of the message should contain: "email security" > > I hope this helps. Dave, It worked, thanks. It is a shame that a few jerkoffs have to spoil the list for everyone else. regards jason >From - Sat Nov 15 22:39:32 1997 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25972 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:38:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20075 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (harrier.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.5.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20070 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (lohner35.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.98.35]) by harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25284; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:34:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <346E77AA.70F7(a)bureau42.ml.org> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:33:46 -0600 From: "David E. Smith" <dave(a)bureau42.ml.org> Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Organization: Bureau42 Enterprises - An EFF Subsiduary X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ann Oy <annoy(a)innocent.com> CC: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Email Interception Information References: <346E2E39.A29AFEE2(a)one.net.au> <4.0.32.19971115201303.00e102f0(a)postoffice.pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 0e640c6327845b60f0495392c5b563e3 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 227 Ann Oy wrote: > Ann, The correct address for the Information Server at Sympatico is: Information Server <ualdv8(a)sk.sympatico.ca> Use a subject header of "Help" and put "email security" in the message body. Dave

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Re: [cpe:4545] Mission:Critical and Informal Fallacies
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: >Robert Hettinga wrote: >> Notice >> that argumentum ad hominem is when you discount someone's opinion because >> of who they are or what they do. Vuperative insults, it seems, are another >> thing altogether. :-). > > Right... Like we're going to believe this when communist pedophile >Nazi cocksucker Robert Hettinga tells it to us. Careful, TM, you're starting to sound like a member of the Usenet Kook Cabal. > I bet that when I look up 'vuperative' in the dictionary, he'll be >wrong about that, too. I was stuck on 'vituperative.' Shows what I know. But 'attack the messenger, not the message' is old news here. >AdHomineMonger Kiss my ass. :-)

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Two views on encryption policy
by Dr. Alan Sherman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to air the following lectures on the Mbone, through videotaping and rebroadcast. Our AV Dept. will charge $50 for a basic videotaping. Would anyone like to donate $50 to UMBC to make this happen? (Please make out check to "UMBC".) Thanks. Dr. Alan T. Sherman Dept. of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering UMBC 1000 Hilltop Circle Baltimore, MD 21250 sherman(a)cs.umbc.edu (410) 455-2666 ------------------------------------------------- The UMBC Security Technology Research Group presents Two Views on Encryption Policy: I. Wisdom and Constitutionality in US Cryptography Policy John Gilmore, Co-Founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation II. A Law-Enforcement Perspective on Encryption Policy Barry Smith, Supervisory Special Agent, FBI Two divergent views on the topic of encryption policy by freedom activist John Gilmore and FBI spokesperson Barry Smith. Journalist Peter Wayner will moderate the event, which is free and open to the public. 8-10:30 pm Tuesday, December 16, 1997 Lecture Hall III University of Maryland Baltimore County http://www.cs.umbc.edu/events/fall97/crypto.shtml The fifth employee of Sun Microsystems and a strong believer in the U.S. Constitution, John Gilmore is currently involved in litigation against several government agencies over matters of freedom of information, freedom of expression, and encryption policies. He will discuss the constitutionality of controlling encryption. Barry Smith will articulate the needs of law enforcement to conduct lawful wiretaps; he will advocate the use of key-recovery techniques to achieve this end as a way that provides adequate privacy to law-abiding citizens. Directions: Take Exit #47B off interstate I-95 and follow signs to UMBC. LH III is on the ground floor of the (tall) administration building, adjacent the visitor's parking lot, near the I-95 entrance to UMBC. Host: Dr. Alan T. Sherman Associate Professor, Computer Science sherman(a)cs.umbc.edu http://www.umbc.edu (410) 455-2666 This event is held in cooperation with the UMBC Intellectual Sports Council

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Re: You're Dead
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David E. Smith wrote: > > > In InfoWarriors-Alpha (Beyond the Valley of the Planet of the > > Return of the InfoWarriors) I put a link to bureau42 from the > > text: cyberassassination scheme. I was going to put a pointer > > to the file itself, but couldn't get the URL. Feel free to > > change it on your copy, if you like. > > Fixed. This latest incarnation of the saga will be at > http://bureau42.base.org/public/warriors/ . BTW, if you know of places where > I can get reliable, non-censored, decent-bandwidth, and cheap! web space let > me know. The account which is the home for bureau42 is dangerously close to > its quota, and I can't yet afford to have that T1 piped into my apartment. > (sigh) Dave, You must be a boonie-dweller, like myself. I live in an area where, if I lose my account, I have no options. It amazes me that I have been able, thus far, to send thinly veiled death threats to world leaders and The Richest Man in the US (TM) without being 'killed or caught.' > > p.s. - Do you have any good pointers to email interception > > information? My little 'spoof' has resulted in quite a few > > inquiries and I should probably send these poor people the > > best info I can, to keep from going to CypherHell. > > Heh. I'm sure, given all the research you and your people did for that > InfoWarriors document, you can come up with something on your own. Some > places to start: dig up information on the major NAPs, like MAE-East and the > two or so incarnations of MAE-West; since something like 80% of traffic on > the whole damn internet is routed through one of those, regardless of where > it's going, a tap there could prove interesting indeed. (And I recall seeing, > a few months ago, a cute article on MAE-East, which lives in the basement of > a parking garage in New Jersey. Talk about security through obscurity.) For all of the 'dire predictions' that we hear about terrorists, etc., I find it amazing that systems such as those you mention are not disabled at will by these alleged 'enemies of mankind', despite their obvious vulnerability. Could it possibly be that The Enemy (TM) is dancing with our Protectors (TM) in a reality-spoof that consists of behind-the-scenes Puppeteers pulling our strings? The (successful) attempts of grey-shrouded background entities to launch attacks on Tim May, the CypehrPunks list, etc., have given many of those I communicate with privately cause to believe that it may be time for The Movement (TM) to move underground, once again. What is interesting is that, for all of my paranoid, conspiratorial rantings, I am only a fool making light parody of the true dark forces which are operating in the background of our reality. Anyone who thinks I jest about this might want to get a second opinion from Jim Bell... After cleaning up my Sympatico web site, I will send you the information you need to access it. Feel free to use it as a temporary solution to your space constraints, but keep in mind that it may well be yanked at any moment. Perhaps someone with a direct InterNet connection will be able to provide you with the needed cyberspace. To me, *you* are one of the "Heroes of the Revolution," as are all of the remailer operators, Eternity Server developers, and slant-eyed schills such as Joichi Ito, who are trying to make the best of a bad situation (TM) in an attempt to move toward a goal which is very likely improbable, impossible, or just plain inexplicable. As the 'Youth in Asia Society' says: "Kill The President!" TruthMonger

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