December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III, well known Nativist (if not Native) American, writes: > In <199711192035.VAA20768(a)basement.replay.com>, on 11/19/97 > at 09:35 PM, Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> said: > > >Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, > >make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their > >access to government services. > > Yes and 4 out of 5 doctors in an independent study prefer Buffren. Would > you care to back this up with some actual facts. >From the Cato Institute, a well known libertarian think tank, http://www.cato.org/dailys/4-22-97.html: > Myth number four: Immigrants impose a financial burden on > taxpayers. Immigrants do make somewhat heavier use of means-tested welfare > programs than natives. There have been especially flagrant abuses by > immigrants of particular welfare programs, such as Supplemental Security > Income. But because immigrants tend to come to the United States during > the start of their working years --between the ages of 18 and 35 -- > they make very large net contributions to the two largest income transfer > programs: Social Security and Medicare. When the payroll tax contributions > of immigrants are taken into account, the Urban Institute found that the > foreign born constitute a net fiscal windfall to the public sector of > some $20 billion a year. To the extent that welfare use by immigrants is > a problem, this can be addressed by restricting the welfare eligibility > of immigrants, not by keeping immigrants out. More details can be found by searching for "immigration" on www.cato.org.

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Re: Alternative Apology
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

igor said: >I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. > >Igor Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. doormouse

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Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

reuters Florida State News Reuters 20-NOV-97 (TAMPA) -- Federal marshals and local deputies have shut down three Tampa area ``pirate'' radio stations, silencing unlicensed sources of rock music and far-right ideology. Authorities carted off broadcast and studio equipment from all three stations and dismantled a rooftop antenna that stood over one broadcaster's home. One of the stations was operated by 53-year-old Arthur Kobres, who is named in a 14- count indictment alleging violations of national broadcasting laws. Authorities say Kobres used his equipment to broadcast anti-government messages. Also silenced was ``Tampa's Party Pirate,'' a 100-watt F-M station run by Doug Brewer. A third operator who was shut down... 22-year-old Kelly Benjamin... was also arrested for possession of marijuana.

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The 4th Great Awakening
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Read "Speed" by William Burroughs.

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The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is it a mere coincidence that algebra.com went down and proceeded to send out all received messages in reverse order on the _same_day_ that the Seinfield TV show featured a reverse-order-plot show? Picking up a little corporate spare-change, Igor? JerryMonger

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles wrote: > > At 10:16 PM 11/21/97 -0500, John Young wrote: > >Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. > >[...] > >Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's > >going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially > >whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached. > It strikes me as peculiar/unusual Everything about Bell's case has been peculiar/unusual. - posts sent to the cypherpunks list _before_ the bust quoting news reports which were dated the following day. - thinly veiled threatening messages directed to Bell/cypherpunks posted to the list mere hours before the bust. - follow-up posts and threatening private emails regarding Bell's case sent to the list and individual cypherpunks from the treasury email system. - two prominent lawyers having their calls to Bell's legal aide attorney after expressing an interest to help in his case. - the 'usual suspects' advising list members to 'be afraid,' to 'chill out,' shut up and lay low. [...] > I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be > testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and > that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the > defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's > seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in > the event of noncooperation. The events follow a classic pattern as described above. > I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch" > without knowing more - and this is all speculation - but something looks > funny about what's happening thus far. (It's also possible that he's > physically/mentally incapacitated such that he's not able to participate in > his sentencing, which would explain why the court would be postponing on > its own initiative, and why the defense isn't opposing the continuance.) Incapacitation does not result in an information blackout surrounding the dispensation of the case and a stonewalling of all attempts at contact the defendant. You can bet your sweet ass that Bell's volatile mental stability was not lost on his captors, who would undoubtedly realize that it would not take a great deal of prodding with the proper medications to put him in the same frame of mind that allows police social workers to convince small children that the mayor and the chief of police have molested them in satanic rituals involving circus animals. My guess is that he is currently ratting out each and every one of us for imaginary crimes in return for LEA promises that Comet Hale-Bop has been recalled in order to pick him up. Be alarmed. Be very all-armed! Loch N. Lode

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good work
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bob, Tim. You guys are doing great. i think that the enemy is confused into thinking that we are feckless juveniles who are at each other's throats and are posing no real threat. excellent. this should give us those precious few extra weeks needed to complete Plan A. also: perhaps you two should get together and re-work your contingency confessions. wouldn't want some of your accusations against one another to accidentally be true! (use Bob's "Toto" nym. be careful not to accidentally Cc: the cypherpunks list!) white team leader -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: x iQCVAwUBNHa/HRiDTlaqCaKdAQG4rgP9FdcSg3qneEb0N2LWH7QvL/bh3Jp4pyjf N2hEdpj1Og6SztZVwUyeJD+RbmYuKWzrByB3KpPVnSk99ZjftwhLOy+t+AZEGbtu dBlhUxdR/6OjqKD3tqXTWDc3kI4gnqX5bxA2G+MLvQUsXhQr+wwDpfvLxxxstbWu w6nQ9wiEhMQ= =og1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [cpe:5043] Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:26:07 -0600 > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > Subject: Re: [cpe:5043] Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced > Authorities say Choates used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. It's 'Choate'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:12:17 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Florida State News > > Reuters > 20-NOV-97 > > (TAMPA) -- Federal marshals and local deputies have shut down > three Tampa area ``pirate'' radio stations, silencing unlicensed > sources of rock music and far-right ideology. Authorities carted Anyone know of a pirate broadcast station where CDR traffic could be re-broadcast? Filter the days traffic and use speech-synth to make it compatible. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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