December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Search engines and https
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While trying to submit the cypherpunks.to website to a few search engines, I noticed that none of them seems to support indexing of https URL's. Is anybody here aware of a search engine that indexes secure web pages? And if there is no such search engine, what are the thoughts on using https to deliberately keep pages out of indices? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Billboards as Sight Bites
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Duncan Frissell wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> It's time to "Just Say No" to the U.N. The John Birch Society makes >> more sense every day. > >US out of the UN and UN out of the US. Yup, seen the billboard. Evidently the JBS is starting a new billboard campaign on December 1st calling for the impeachment of Clinton. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMDvOFWwZe05jcJAQF88Af9HdeeJWJ6hIzFN2gnBmF7bXtPg+MDWXqr K1GnOaqE+Vt5+GfJ19s4gnYBJwkGStlcVrN3sZDHyMIO5Ok0Zzov9NCCoO0TI4Vu DOEHM3qCnJLG/kfh2fa3GPJAFYxUH6uHyscu+yxhEmlx1AaL+a+A3aGn1nHaODu7 v1bkezS2zHRJ2778Q9kz5UzC7YcPjhIo7bGnxM0Thr/vb3X9o6N0OxzYckuy1WZg e3o2vKsqmOJN+bgIed8+K695zH2suymP5xpou22LGpkkVz8BHKHXKVkrGc/IOEMD c1LmPJjBLHZ32Iw1gifVRaPkfMQzY/gID/p90s3zCGSqQrZjPeArZw== =R7y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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News from Music Boulevard
by http://www.musicblvd.com/ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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He's back with a new one at last! 11/25 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_462198 Babyface - "MTV Unplugged" 11/25 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_457297 Sublime - "Second Hand Smoke" 11/25 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_455798 Diana Princess of Wales - "The Tribute Album" 12/02 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_461933 Bryan Adams - "Unplugged" 12/09 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_462709 --------------------------- AN ONLINE MUSIC EXCLUSIVE! --------------------------- We've been working with one of our favorite bands, The Verve Pipe (http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_42_168858) to bring you a special offer exclusively for online music fans. Here's what they asked us to tell you: "A few weeks ago we were approached with an opportunity that we loved. We learned about a cool new technology now available from AT&T, that brings our music directly to our fans. 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Disposable Remailers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jonathan Wienke wrote: >Woodwose (who appears to have borrowed my last name for his "True Name") >appears to have done a variation of this--except that if there are >complaints about messages being sent from woodwose(a)mailexcite.com, I doubt >anything will happen other than the woodwose account at mailexcite.com >being closed. Hence, his "disposable remailer" claim. Any shmuck can log >on and input a fake name, address, and demographic data to create a new >account at hotmail, mailexcite, or juno. In this way, as existing >remailers are harassed out of existence, new ones can be created on a daily >or hourly basis. It would probably be interesting to find out how much >info these outfits collect (cookies, etc.) that could be definitively >linked to a True Name. I played around with Hotmail recently, and I didn't pick up any new cookies in my cookies file. The only distinguishing information that Hotmail seems to collect (aside from the demographic info you feed them when you open an account) is the IP address you log in from. A public proxy is sufficient to shield your IP address. I created the account from one IP address and sent the email during a separate session from another IP address. The X-Originating-IP header showed only the second address. I don't know if Hotmail keeps track of all IP addresses that access each account. Question: can anyone suggest some information/studies regarding the security of public proxies? Thanks. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJtpeFWwZe05jcJAQElEQf+MbBbTWtbiRnekJ9jIyyaTfDX3s2KV8Qm jGERIyCBF1OcZ1l35ZMm0xGKOCpGAWOBZVs/1zHzgTKB6Pxk0UZIP8+2nRmS4Dqt 7AxXa4zufVl9xVgWirCab86MvmTIrDlOdga8YZKS2h4RzLPPvo/ZySUqgjUzH0g2 y2LzKGv5KqxkgY/rRIg95I9Doqwg0iRsN2ieVXqI9E//+ZByAQpopLIADcDus4Ez UGFl6P1Ix8eLr2DBeg6nLRS84cTJs6MqAiQsHPaKUAHkS72bgv1t5lTxPcMtt6ah NK5bJfs9HEY20RXtN2kASXBkGjAzC2LMNIZ0heqmJRB471AZ4j30lg== =FOsD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:27 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >In <3.0.16.19971118231927.0dc71f6e(a)pop.mindspring.com>, on 11/18/97 > at 11:34 PM, Mikhael Frieden <mikhaelf(a)mindspring.com> said: >>At 06:53 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional >>>protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings >>>against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to >>>provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked >>>rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use >>>of it). >> In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given >>constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and bussed >>across the border. >And this would be a BadThing(TM)?? It would be a good thing. But the former was postulating civil rights to medical care and such. I mentioned constitutional rights. Once they are here they here they are entitled to a fair trial before being kicked out. And as to bail, if they are illegally here, what is possibly the risk of flight? To Mexico? Is not that the point? That is why the INS gives them a trial date and releases them as they must be treated as right-protected citizens. And the objection to release is fleeing juristidiction under the law. It is a Catch-22. Cheech being born in East LA to the contrary not withstanding. The movie protested reality after it was gone. (If it was Chong, the facts do not change.) -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:39 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 9:58 PM -0700 11/18/97, William H. Geiger III wrote: > >>Well at one time there was a demand for cheap labor by US industry that >>supported the infux of immagrents. In modern times their is no such demand >>( if there were we have plenty of bums on welfare that can fill this need) > >This is actually not the case. I live between Santa Cruz and Salinas and >Monterey, home to some of the most fertile soil in the world (most of the >lettuce, strawberries, artichokes, and other vegetables consumed in the >U.S. is/are grown within 30 miles of me). Every day I see stoop laborers, >up from Jalisco or Michuchan or other provinces, glad to make more in a few >months here than they make in a few years back in Mexico. > >And every day I see bums, drifters, winos, layabouts, and derelicts, >holding up their pathetic "Will work for food" signs. (Which are lies, of >course. Anyone trying to get some decent work out of these bums will find >zilch.) > >I saw a great bumper sticker on the back of a truck filled with spray >painting gear. Driven by a black guy, interesting enough. It said: > >"I _do_ work for food." Which is precisely the issue. The US was and is dedicated to people who will do what they can without restriction. I'll take 38 wetback greasers who will work and escort every bum to the Mexican border and be proud to call those beaners Americans. (Did I overdo the namecalling?) Just because those folks south of the border get their jollies producing a dozen kids does not obligate me in the least. If they produce productive people, fine. If they once show up in the frigging welfare line, I'll show them the way to Mexico City not San Jose. ONLY if they HATE welfare and public services are they welcome. If there were such a filter at the border that worked both ways I would have it. This is not pie in the sky platitudes. We do not live in the sky. This is reality. It is real nasty down here. Wishes are not fact. Piety ain't jack shit. I appreciate the woman's desire for the best treatment for her child at the moment of birth. But for the long term, if they like the US system so damned much let them institute it in Mexico. If they want the benefits of the US system them duplicate it in Mexico. Do not ever pretend to wanting the best of both worlds where you can have two digit offspring in Mexico and the US has to pay for it. We need to get the message to them, that if you can't keep your fly shut and your legs crossed the US is not liable for your prurient interests, period, next question, over. We do not give a rat's ass how many Vatican approved babies you produce. your recourse is not in the US. If their damned economic system will not support them, that is not the responsibility of the US and do not really give a rat's ass if there are automatic weapons that kill on sight at the border. The US did not create Mexico's problems, Mexico did. If they need guns to correct it, they know where to get them. If they like the Mexican system (and we know they do) and want to use the US, reload those border guns. >>but there is a demand for cheap votes. The current Statest have been >>watching their power base erroding over the years as more and more >>Americans refuse to beleive thier socialist lies. The only way that they >>can continue in power is to import new voters who are easier to hoodwink >>and cheaper to buy. Confermation of this policy can be seen in the >>behavior of the INS durring the last election cycle where large numbers of >>immigrants were naturalized before the elections. >By the way, this massive purchase of votes is now being rolled back. >Immigration is planning to reverse many of these "instant citizenship" >deals. Too late to have an effect on Clinton's '96 election, but nothing >could have saved Dole. Fornicate Dole and the elephant he rode in on. The vote needs be a quid pro quo other than birth and living. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:52 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 10:17 PM -0700 11/18/97, Colin A. Reed wrote: >>I think the most important constitutional protection is that of >>due-process. Thus we need to have a court proceeding to determine that >>they really are in the US without a valid visa before we can bus them out. >It's called a "Green Card," popularly. >(Remember those, "Aliens, remember that you must report to the Alien >Landing Terminal every January.") >No court proceeding is needed to deport illegal aliens, save for a >perfunctory classification hearing to determine whether or not they have a >Green Card. "Minor" point here. They are required to return on the hearing date after arrainment. Would you care to guess just how many illegals appear for the hearing? Can you tell the difference between legals and illegals? and if so how? -=-=- The difference between Wiesenthal and Zundel is the latter does not charge $90,000US a year to use his name.

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[Fwd: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow*]
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:31:13 -0500 From: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: [Fwd: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow*] Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> Return-Path: <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Received: from life.ai.mit.edu (life.ai.mit.edu [128.52.32.80]) by deer-park.etcons.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10234 for <lethin(a)etcons.com>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (mintaka.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36]) by life.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/AI1.15/ai.master.life:1.18) with SMTP id KAA24223; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hq.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa27207; 19 Nov 97 10:18 EST Received: from [18.49.0.239] (bronte-mac.lcs.mit.edu) by hq.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/NSCS-1.0S) id AA15548; Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:18:30 EST Message-Id: <v03020905b098a38d820a(a)[18.49.0.239]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:17:47 -0400 To: seminar(a)ai.mit.edu, seminars(a)lcs.mit.edu, help-teach(a)lcs.mit.edu, assistants(a)ai.mit.edu, mas-students(a)media.mit.edu, support(a)media.mit.edu, eecsfaculty(a)eecs.mit.edu, dchamber(a)warren.med.harvard.edu, wmurphy(a)mediaone.net, Kenneth_Burrell/CAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com, vijak(a)eecs.harvard.edu, CMCampos(a)aol.com, Stephanie_Leung(a)cmp4.ccmail.compuserve.com From: Barbara Barry <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow* (Please excuse multiple posts) *SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT ****************************** MIT Lab for Computer Science Distinguished Lecturer Series Thursday, November 20, 1997 Lecture, 3:30pm Location 34-101 Refreshments, 3:15pm 50 Vassar Street, Cambridge Robert Morris, National Security Agency, Retired Protection of Valuable Information Over the past few decades, there has been a considerable shift in the area of protection and exploitation of valuable information. In the past, the relevant skills were exercised by governments to protect or exploit military and diplomatic information. Nowadays, much of the interest in information protection is by individuals wishing to protect their privacy and by organizations wishing to protect their financial interests. Here are the questions that come up that are worth some thought: - does the breakup of the Soviet Union significantly reduce the exploitation of U.S. Government information? - has the world wide spread of ATMs (Automatic Teller Machines) led to a great deal of electronic theft - and, if so how are they protected? - is cryptography more important than careful handling of information and is cryptanalysis more important than burglary, bribery, and blackmail? Host: Ron Rivest *************************************************** for the DLS season schedule check out http://www.lcs.mit.edu/web_project/dls97.html *************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Why Does the CAUCE Oppose Privacy and Anonymity? (was: Re: RESULT: com
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

krueger(a)cs.umn.edu (Alan Krueger) wrote: > >>ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > >> > >>>Anonymity has value that is greater than the value of CAUCE. > > > >Could someone help a rookie here? What's CAUCE and how does > >it relate to anonymity. > > It doesn't, per se, but a number of people choose to believe that. CAUCE > is the Coalition Against Unsolicted Commercial Email and supports the > banning of such unsolicited advertisements. See their web page at > http://www.cauce.org/ for more information. > > The yelling is about the proposed (now ratified) robo-moderation policy > for the *newsgroup* to discuss CAUCE issues, comp.org.cauce, which requires > that you post with a deliverable email address. This was supposed to > keep belligerant spammers and trolls from posting to the group without > having some kind of valid contact address. This was not supposed to be > anti-privacy, anti-munging, or anti-anonymity, though that is what seems > to be the big issue many people were having with it. That makes about as much sense as holding a rally to protest auto theft and requiring that each attendee leave his car UNLOCKED in the parking lot while attending. In this case, the price of admission to this "anti-UCE party" is to contribute one's e-mail address to the UCErs' mailing lists! And what, exactly, is the point of requiring "belligerant spammers and trolls" to post with a valid e-mail address? Unless they're planning to spam or mailbomb each other, they are the ones who have the least to fear from publicly broadcasting their e-mail addresses on a worldwide NG for the address harvesters to collect and exploit.

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PGP 5.5 Freeware
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: wprice(a)mail.pgp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:42:57 -0800 To: thomassr(a)erols.com From: Will Price <wprice(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP 5.5 Freeware Cc: mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk Yes, a freeware version of 5.5 for Mac and Win32 will be available later today from the PGP, Inc. website. Since Linux 5.5 isn't ready yet, we're distributing source for diffs between PGP 5.0i b8 up to the final 5.0 UNIX release. Meanwhile, all the source to the Win32 and Mac versions of 5.5.2 is about to go to press. The version number of the freeware going up today is 5.5.2 as we've had a couple free updates since the main release of 5.5 Business Security. The freeware version contains information on exactly what the differences are between the Freeware, Personal Privacy, and Business Security editions of the product. -Will At 2:48 AM -0800 11/19/97, Tom Vier wrote: >> PGP 5.5 is available now, is fully compatible with MacOS 8.X, and has >> orders of magnitude more features and speed than FileCrypt. > >is there going to be a freeware version? what about source for >linux systems? Will Price, Architect/Sr. Mgr. Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. 555 Twin Dolphin Dr, Ste.570 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Direct (650)596-1956 Main (650)572-0430 Fax (650)631-1033 Pager (310)247-6595 wprice(a)pgp.com Internet Text Paging: <mailto:1333485@roam.pagemart.net> <pgpfone://clotho.pgp.com> <http://www.pgp.com> PGPkey: <http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5797A80B> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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