December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: State of the Union Address
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Get a Chemisty 101/2 book. You must have been in the bone head chemistry >class. I think you mean `a bone head chemistry class.' My old college book doesn't have it either, and I took two semesters of the stuff...

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RE: Announcement: RPK InvisiMail released on 12 Jan, 1998
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A bunch of us cryptographers would really like to attack RPK, but the documents on the website are slippery enough to make it difficult. There is enough unspecified for them to sneak away from any analysis. If someone were to reverse engineer the RPK cryptosystem from this product, I would really appreciate it. Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis,MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 http://www.counterpane.com

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What was the URL again? I got that at work and want to re-visit site tonite at home.

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Re: EPR, Bell, and FTL Bandwidth (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Cordian writes: > An Entity at Replay writes: > > > You agree with the foolish statement that the behavior of correlated > > photons is no more weird than sending out two envelopes? I thought > > you had more sense than that. > > With correlated branch systems, examination of one branch can disclose > information about another branch which is currently distant from us. > This is no more weird in the quantum mechanical case, than it is in > the classical case. The envelope analogy is perfectly appropriate. > > That's not to say that quantum mechanical systems aren't "weird" in > ways that classical systems are not. It's just that this is not one > of those areas of weirdness. It's much worse than this. The violation of Bell's inequality implies that changes to the basis used to measure one particle cause changes in the observed state of the remote particle. Of course this can't be used to transmit information; we all agree on that. The remote particle has a random orientation. But the point is, Bell's theorem shows that the remote orientation depends on how the local measurement is done. This is not a matter of simply perceiving or deducing what the conditions are at the remote branch, as in the envelope case. A better analogy would be an envelope which could be opened in two ways, from the top or from the bottom. If you open from the top then the remote envelope will have the same contents as the local one, while if you open from the bottom then the remote envelope will have the opposite contents. In each case the contents are random; the remote observer has no idea whether you opened from the top or the bottom. But somehow your decision on how to open the envelope (what basis to measure the photon) is changing how these globally separated subsystems relate to each other. (This analogy isn't perfect, either, because it might seem that magic changes to the local contents could make the envelope work. Bell's reasoning shows that it is the remote photon's state which must be altered by the choice of how to measure the local one.) This is the fundamental flaw in the envelope analogy, which makes it seriously flawed and misleading. It gives the impression that some kind of hidden variables (the contents within the envelope) can easily solve the problem, when nothing could be further from the truth. It papers over one of the most mysterious facets of quantum mechanics, by making it appear to be mundane. It represents a fundamentally mistaken way to view remote correlated particles. > > How do you explain the violation of Bell's theorem in QM? What is > > your nice, cozy, friendly, un-weird explanation? I'm curious whether > > you are going to sacrifice locality or reality. Somehow I think > > you'll have to go beyond what is necessary to explain the behavior of > > envelopes. > > The wavefunction of the universe is not a physical observable. I do > not have to sacrifice causality for physical phemonema to have > non-local collapse of the wavefunction when measurements are > performed. A satisfactory theory of quantum mechanical measurement > does not currently exist, and it has even been conjectured that > gravitation may be the sole force immune from quantum mechanical > superposition, and that this may be the mechanism behind wavefunction > collapse. There are other hypotheses as well, and the experiments to > distinguish amongst them have yet to be performed. > > A correct theory of quantum mechanical measurement will disclose the > mechanisms by which things like non-local wavefunction collapse, > quantum teleporation, the quantum eraser effect, and other current > oddities are mediated. This will undoubtedly involve a deeper > understanding of how quantum gravity works, and perhaps even the > physics underlying the existence of consciousness itself. OK, so you can't explain it. Fine, it is indeed a mysterious phenomenon, and no doubt you are correct that more insights will come in the future. Now, compare this with the envelope analogy Tim May offered: >> All that is revealed is a _correlation_, a kind of structure built >> into the Universe. Interesting, but not so weird as it seems. (And >> this is not any kind of "action at one site instantaneously changing >> the state far away." No more so than sending two envelopes out, one >> with a "1" inside and the other with a "0" inside changes things >> instantaneously.....) Are you at all tempted to resort to such language in trying to understand how the envelopes could work? Is it puzzling how we could open one here and find a 1 and suddenly know that there is a 0 in the remote envelope? Do we need to learn more about how measurements of envelope contents work before we can begin to tackle this thorny philosophical conundrum? Of course not! The envelope case is transparently obvious. There are no puzzles here, no complexities, no confusion. The only confusion is in the minds of those who think that correlated envelopes have anything to do with correlated photons, or that the hidden variables which perfectly well explain what is happening with the envelopes shed any light whatsoever on the workings of nonlocal QM systems. > However, none of this implies in the least that a physical effect is > propagated non-causally across vast distances when a conscious choice > is made to measure one of two non-commuting observables for one of a > pair of "entangled" particles, which, I believe, is what the current > argument is over. No, the current argument is over how much of a jackass Tim May is.

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RE: Microsoft Internet Explorer: Request for Comments
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fisher Mark <FisherM(a)exch1.indy.tce.com> writes: > >One small beef: why doesn't it accept .p12 certificates signed by > >"Vesign web site CA"? > > Are these PEM or DER-encoded? There is a known problem with PEM-encoded > Certificate Authority certificates not being accepted at all. > (DER-encoded Certificate Authority certificates are accepted, but MSIE > 4.x won't display their contents while you are accepting them -- you > have to accept them, then view their contents.) Let me illustrate... This is the cypherpunks.p12 certificate signed by "VeriSign Web Site Access CA" for cypherpunks(a)bwalk.dm.com (Random Q. Hacker). I believe it's x509/DER. You need to save it as a local file (say \temp\cypherpunks.p12). The password ("pin") is "cypherpunks". To import the certificate in your Netscape[tm] Navigator 4 browser I do this: Click on Communicator -> Security Info Under Certificates, click on Yours, then on "Import a Certificate" Select the local file. 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I *assume* it's because "Vesign web site CA" isn't even listed among the authorities IE accepts (and I'm too lasy to search the web for whatever I need to add to IE) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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More reasons why Nynex is evil... (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:08:27 -0500 From: Salvatore DeNaro <Salvatore_DeNaro(a)usccmail.lehman.com> To: Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> Subject: More reasons why Nynex is evil... http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayNew.pl?/metcalfe/metcalfe.htm

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Can someone look this up? (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:48:14 -0500 From: Salvatore Denaro <sal(a)panix.com> To: 'Ray Arachelian' <sunder(a)brainlink.com> Subject: Can someone look this up? Can someone on the list look this up? *************************************************************** If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles?

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Senate probes Microsoft [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > By SCOTT SONNER > Associated Press Writer > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Microsoft, already in trouble with the > JusticeDepartment for alleged antitrust violations, also is the target > ofa Senate Judiciary Committee investigation, a Senate aide saidtoday. > > "They are definitely investigating Microsoft," said TonyWilliams, > chief of staff to Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash. "They aremeeting with > Microsoft. They are talking with them about antitrustmatters." > > Microsoft had no immediate comment today but Williams said > thecommittee has asked Microsoft to voluntary turn over > documentsregarding its business practices. > > The committee for some time has been reviewing the activities > ofMicrosoft and other companies in regard to how antitrust laws > applyto the Internet. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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