December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Chodorov (was Freedom Forum)
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:19:36 -0500 Duncan Frissell wrote: > I sort of like Tim's reasoning. > > It's reminiscent of Frank Chordorov's remarks back > during the McCarthy Era. "If you're worried about > Communists in government jobs; get rid of the > government jobs." Required reading for revolutionaries of the digital era, from a very bright light of the 1950's and one who did much to shape the movement that became libertarianism. Following are two excerpts, the first from commentary on a current Web page, the second from Chodorov's 1954 book. "The Sixteenth Amendment passed because the country thought only the rich would pay. In 1910 William Shelton, a Georgian, wrote that Southerners favored ratification 'because none of us here have $4,000 incomes, and somebody else will have to pay the tax.' This view proved shortsighted. As Frank Chodorov noted in The Income Tax: Root of All Evil: 'At first it was the incomes of corporations, then of rich citizens, then of well-provided widows and opulent workers, and finally the wealth of housemaids and the tips of waitresses. This is all in line with the ability-to-pay doctrine. The poor, simply because there are more of them, have more ability to pay than the rich.'" - www.elibrary.compuserve.com/qotd/10087/fetch/philk_04.htm "Author's Introduction: Argument "Tradition has a way of hanging on even after it is, for all practical purposes, dead. We in this country still use individualistic terms -- as, for instance, the rights of man -- when, as a matter of fact, we think and behave in the framework of collectivistic doctrine. We support and advocate such practices as farm-support prices, social security, government housing, socialized medicine, conscription, and all sorts of ideas that stem from the thesis that man has no rights except those given him by government. "Despite this growing tendency to look to political power as the source of material betterment and as the guide to our personal destinies, we still talk of limited government, states' rights, checks and balances, and of the personal virtues of thrift, industry, and initiative. Thanks to our literature, the tradition hangs on even though it has lost force. "But there are many Americans to whom the new trend is distasteful, partly because they are traditionalists, partly because they find it personally unpleasant, partly because reason tells that it must lead to the complete subjugation of the individual, as in Nazi Germany or Communits Russia, and they don't like the prospect. It is for these Americans that this book is written. They are the "elite" -- the questing spirits who in all times effect revolutionary changes. For a revolution now is certainly in order. And by "revolution" I mean the return to the people of that sovereignty which our tradition assumes them to have. I mean the return to them of the power which government has confiscated by way of the Sixteenth Amendment. "When you examine any species of government intervention you find that it is made possible by revenues. A government is as strong as its income. Contrariwise, the independence of the people is in direct proportion to the amount of their wealth that they can enjoy. We cannot restore traditional American freedom unless we limit the government's power to tax. No tinkering with this, or that, or the other law will stop the trend toward socialism. We must repeal the Sixteenth Amendment." - F. C. "XII. For Freedom's Sake [excerpted] "Whether there are any mystic forces pushing men along a path from which there is no escape, is a moot question. But there is no questioning the fact that throughout history men have regularly made excursions in quest of freedom, and that every one of these excursions was identified by its leadership. It is a logical inference therefore that when men of that stripe appear on the scene the cause of freedom is not neglected. Perhaps, after all, the present plight of freedom in America is due to lack of leadership. "If, for instance, those who prate about 'free enterprise' were willing to risk bankruptcy for it, even as the men of the Declaration risked their necks for independence, the present drive for the collectivization of capital would not have such easy going. Assuming that they are fully aware of the implications of the phrase they mouth, and are sincere in the protestations, the fact that they are unwilling to suffer mortification of the flesh disqualifies them for leadership, and the case for 'free enterprise' is hopeless. "The present low estate of freedom in this country must be laid to lack of the proper leadership -- to men who know that freedom is and who do not equate it with their own 'standard of living.' Whether or not leadership could have averted, or can still stop, the trend toward socialism, may be open to question; that a glorious fight for freedom might yet enliven the American scene is not. Whether a fight for freedom will be crowned with success, is less important than the fight itself, for if nothing comes of it, the improvement in the spirit of the fighters will be a gain, and they cannot help but keep alive the values that will make America a better climate for their offspring to live in. "There is no accounting for the emergence of these superior men, these "sports of nature," who sporadically shape the course of mankind. They come, as it were, from nowhere, and nobody has yet conclusively explained their advent. But, they come. When in her own time and her own pleasure Nature deems America ready for and worthy of them, she will give us the men who will make the good fight. It seems reasonable to assume that their first objective will be -- Repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment." _the_income_tax_ (subtitled _root_of_all_evil_) by Frank Chodorov, foreword by J Bracken Lee Copyright 1954 by Frank Chodorov The Devin-Adair Company, Old Greenwich CT 06870 Second printing Feb 1963 Third printing Jun 1974 (no ISBN) Although I don't know, I think it likely this precious little book is out of print. We Jurgar Din

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actual, on-topic post (tm)
by jkthomson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does a large number of 'bounces' between randomly selected remailers increase security/untraceability? what if you made each message go through ALL remailers, or nearly all? be gentle... I'm just a lurker. -------------------------------------------------------- james keith thomson <jkthomson(a)bigfoot.com> ICQ:746241 PGP 263i keysig: 85C6 F156 5F8E 1457 F613 AA3A 5E69 E873 public keys availible at <pgp.mit.edu> -------------------------------------------------------- The Whispered Rule: People will believe anything if you whisper it. ========================================================

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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[NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now this is interesting! :) (Either that or JA is smoking crack... - no idea on JA's reputation capital though...) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:29:07 -0600 From: "J.A. Terranson" <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> To: 'NT Security Listserv' <ntsecurity(a)iss.net> Subject: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was rooting around in the registry tonight, (looking to repair my own stupidity!), and guess what I saw? SKIPJACK is installed, and ENABLED! I have NOT (now would I EVER) installed it voluntarily, and Micro$loth only advertises the "standard" ciphers (which I also found). Is anyone else aware of this? Is it safe to delete the key (and code? Hopefully this is DLL driven: I'm still looking!). Also, anyone know what it was put there for? It's certainly not what I would consider an SSL issue! J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org A small fading light in a vast and obscure universe... PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY - ENCRYPT! PGP/DSS: 0x12896749 FP: 63F2 1777 BC38 AC1E 3359 0B0E C6C0 ED6B 1289 6749 PGP/RSA: 0x9D85DF05 FP: 810C 25E9 7DD3 C157 3081 A202 DDFD 4245 If Government wants us to behave, it should set a better example! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNKC5wqAMF5Wdhd8FAQFsDQgAkietW1awMFDE9ZY5d9B+Zc0cGuGxlPC+ XzVy6+RleDngUecSAf8MbZZlTDDyN69liKG2Of0n+pZnlJSbKZWZiG0cRN592bbL xCF/cwgNdJi1/HTA/mDZ7fpRT1phCMi/b2U3XXyV3QG2fv+Z8M5o4LjykYT+u4Lt aEkfedFZKjkURO+artvGFnISfVxAMwpW0TfdbxE2Izw8iSjX2w+4aT0ub+Ck3OA4 X3Bek8ZPhbmsf9lIfBSe38ZPMZGrk7VwTPaMo7JiU5MM58OmCMaodKlwyxfsptKf khLnbWJbwHrlbW2yXL7nh7Ttnxv1WJ6BHaaJhxX/5EWSU4xAc/FjaQ== =jsvV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) (fwd)
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is most definitely an SSL 3 supported cipher but unless you have the token or such, then it is not going to be used for anything, and then only if you try to connect to a Skipjack (ie. fortezza) site. I doubt you have the code as it is classified and available (at this time) only in hardware. Don't sweat it, it looks like it's just a hook or ..... What environment/flavor of stuff are you running? I can help you with this if you want to contact me off the list. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 4.5 mQENAzRQsnUAAAEIAMclvXulVps67+GFijTzNspUsWBYihovyvzlfzdHxkXYWiSg FyZ4KUVLDvVwMIvFFQ3S48VtkT6i8+P8gwZFBNXyuOO+e8nv1o3b90Og6imiN2Eg PTg3rJCKun2kP6AkUN+J1m7AuYjDML7caPzRM9kbws4JmSb+U5RSeUq5g8aA9mRr oJwE3YKolM7uNAaiBwJuRRxltJG/P8XilY/J6NMhx2M1TpjXg0+9jasr7DMMFRFI sVX9uumibFOWT9xUB5eW6rTLJOXf5H5vUnDykRErtbFsLp6cOZ++3qtzHzMYbbSW xGPe2eL7tCF/y8eKh6l0U8UkWUTuQFuvyEhHg90ABRG0HGdyZWdnIDIwNDggPGdl ZW1hbkBiZXN0LmNvbT4= =F1s3 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- At 11:45 AM 12/26/97 -0500, Ray Arachelian wrote: >Now this is interesting! :) (Either that or JA is smoking crack... - no >idea on JA's reputation capital though...) > >=====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== >.+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. >..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ ><--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ >../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. >.+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... >======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:29:07 -0600 >From: "J.A. Terranson" <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> >To: 'NT Security Listserv' <ntsecurity(a)iss.net> >Subject: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >I was rooting around in the registry tonight, (looking to repair my own >stupidity!), >and guess what I saw? SKIPJACK is installed, and ENABLED! I have NOT >(now would I EVER) installed it voluntarily, and Micro$loth only advertises >the >"standard" ciphers (which I also found). > >Is anyone else aware of this? Is it safe to delete the key (and code? >Hopefully >this is DLL driven: I'm still looking!). > >Also, anyone know what it was put there for? It's certainly not what I would > >consider an SSL issue! > >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin(a)mfn.org >A small fading light in a vast and obscure universe... > >PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY - ENCRYPT! >PGP/DSS: 0x12896749 FP: 63F2 1777 BC38 AC1E 3359 > 0B0E C6C0 ED6B 1289 6749 >PGP/RSA: 0x9D85DF05 FP: 810C 25E9 7DD3 C157 > 3081 A202 DDFD 4245 >If Government wants us to behave, it should set a better example! > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 >Charset: noconv > >iQEVAwUBNKC5wqAMF5Wdhd8FAQFsDQgAkietW1awMFDE9ZY5d9B+Zc0cGuGxlPC+ >XzVy6+RleDngUecSAf8MbZZlTDDyN69liKG2Of0n+pZnlJSbKZWZiG0cRN592bbL >xCF/cwgNdJi1/HTA/mDZ7fpRT1phCMi/b2U3XXyV3QG2fv+Z8M5o4LjykYT+u4Lt >aEkfedFZKjkURO+artvGFnISfVxAMwpW0TfdbxE2Izw8iSjX2w+4aT0ub+Ck3OA4 >X3Bek8ZPhbmsf9lIfBSe38ZPMZGrk7VwTPaMo7JiU5MM58OmCMaodKlwyxfsptKf >khLnbWJbwHrlbW2yXL7nh7Ttnxv1WJ6BHaaJhxX/5EWSU4xAc/FjaQ== >=jsvV >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Attachment Converted: "F:\GDW\Mail\[NTSEC] SKIPJACK NT4.0 (SP3)" >

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Re: actual, on-topic post (tm)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jkthomson <jkthomson(a)bigfoot.com> writes: >does a large number of 'bounces' between randomly selected remailers >increase security/untraceability? what if you made each message go through >ALL remailers, or nearly all? Going through all the remailers is overkill. The rationale for multiple remailers (four are usually recommended) is that it's harder to trace a message through the remailer network. Say you want to send a message to person X. So you send it to remailer A. Now there's a chain linking you to that remailer (probably your ISP's smtp log), and your friendly local jackbooted thug could say, "Aha! You sent a message to that remailer, and then person X got an anonymous message! It must have been you!" They might not be able to make it stick, but they'd certainly be able to take you downtown for a quick wooden high colonic. Now, suppose instead that you'd sent it through a chain of four remailers, chosen in some reasonably random fashion. So the thug has a record of you sending something to remailer A, but the message came from Remailer D. He has to construct a chain linking you to Remailer D, via remailer B and C. If you PGP-encrypt the messages in layers, as with Premail, then no remailer other than the last in the chain has the final destination, and no remailer other than the first knows where the message originally came from. Hope this helps.

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17 Dec '03

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