December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:52 AM 12/23/97 -0600, you wrote: >Forwarded message: > >> Subject: Re: Lock and Load (fwd) >> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 02:41:03 -0500 >> From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > >> It was the first cicilian marketed semi-auto in the country No, that one was a Baretta. The Browning was the first successfully marketed simi-auto shoulder weapon in *this* country. I believe the Remington M-8 was based on the same Browning recoiling barrel design. > >This doesn't use a Mauser 1898 action does it? The top feed 5-round clip is >my first clue... The 95 and 98 Mauser (along with the Springfield) are *bolt action* arms. They are magazine fed. > >As to first semi-automatic in the country, I believe the Springfield 1903 >has that particular honor. It used a Mauser '98 action also. It's also where >.30-06 got the 06 from...also very popular in WW1 and used as a sniper rifle >through Normandy, after which the Garand pretty much took over. You've got yur facts mangled a tad. The 03 is a hand operated bolt action! It was predated in US military service by both the Krag and Lee bolt actions. The first US service semi-auto rifle, discounting the abortive Pederson device, was the Johnson .30-06! . The .30-06 is called the .30-06 Springfield because the original , .30-03, round was loaded with a FMJ 220 gr. slug at around 2000 fps . It proved to be little better than the trapdoor .45-70 which it replaced in the hands of most infantry troops. In190! 6 a new service cartridge with slightly different case dimensions was introduced sending a FMJ 150 gr. bullet out at around 2500 fps. Later it was up rated to 2700 fps as the brittle case hardened 03 Springfield actions were phased out in favor of strong! er "hi-number" 03-A3 rifles. I carried an 03-A3 (serial number 4796575) for four years. Good dependable weapon and if I could see em, I could generally hit em with it. >Yep, bet this is some sort of Mauser '98 action... Nope, don't bet yur gas money , sonny. > >> Merry Christmas to you too ... we here in Vermont are having a *very* >> white Christmas already with more snow coming tonite and tomorrow ... > >We're supposed to get rain and more rain starting tomorrow. They say it might >be clear on Christmas but the rain returns on Friday...;( > >Stay warm & thanks for the discussion. > > | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | Screw the holiday cheer shit, I wish you a good meal, a warm bed, and unlimited firepower. DemanglerMunger

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It's the usual Libertarians-vs-Statists flame war! Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
by bill.stewart＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We're pretty far off topic for both fight-censorship and cypherpunks, aren't we? There's a bit more excuse on fight-censorship, since censoring racists vs. freely publishing hate speech is a core issue there; the cypherpunks content is mostly limited to "In cypherspace, nobody can hear you flame" and technologies for protecting freedom of speech and association from censors, racists, and other statists. Colin Rafferty writes: >>> If you want to live in a hut in Montana and shelter yourself from the >>> real world, feel free. Otherwise, it may be a good idea to check out >>> social theories from the last hundred years. There've been a number of them. Socialism. Fascism. Libertarianism. Randroidism. Existentialism. Non-existentialism. Nudism. Pick several :-) Some of those social theories say it's a good idea to hire guys in blue suits to beat up people who are acting in ways you consider rude, while others think you have the duty to beat them up yourself, or to protest non-violently, or to keep silent if it's not your business, or to insult them behind their backs, or to organize boycotts. In uncivilized countries, the blue-suiters carry guns to encourage rude people to allow themselves to be beaten up; more civilized liberal countries issue them clubs instead so the beating gets done up close and personal. Personally, I think that freedom of association is a critical part of a civilized society, and that people who hire thugs to beat up racists are just as rude as the racists they're having beaten up; hiring quieter thugs who'll let the rude people chicken out and just hand over their money and close their stores instead of being beaten is also rude, but you can make a lot more profit that way and keep your liberal conscience satisfied that you're stopping rudeness. (I hope it should be obvious, but I apply the same rhetoric to people whose idea of rudeness is using rude words or smoking rude plants or associating with the wrong color of people or engaging in voluntary rude activities with the wrong people. However, unlike liberals, it's hard to make that kind of people feel _guilty_ about being rude, only embarassed, and they tend to respond by making more rude laws as an excuse to beat you up...) William H Geiger (not to let his statist ranting off the hook either) is alleged to have written: >> Please explain to me where in the Constitution the government is >> given the power to determine who I *must* associate with?? and Colin replies >Given that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was upheld as Constitutional, I >would generally use that as an argument. The much-abused Commerce Clause is probably more useful for this argument. Original intent or not, it's been quite effective. The Constitution was, after all, a political compromise between people ranging from near-anarchists to moderate statists, slaveowners, currency-fiaters, hard-money advocates, and non-government-money advocates, free traders and drug smugglers, trade-taxers and trade-monopolizers, religious, anti-religious, and a while raft of other positions. It was far from morally perfect even on the issues where the writers were far-thinking enough to imagine how their words might get twisted. Keeping the states from regulating interstate commerce was a good idea, not that the Commerce Clause appears to have done that very well, but allowing the Feds to regulate it was, in my opinion, a serious mistake even if the Feds had limited their control to real interstate commerce. The previous confederation that the Constitution usurped wasn't perfect, and allowed a more distributed statism rather than the centripetal statism that replaced it. Sure, if the Constitution _doesn't_ allows the Feds to do something, they definitely shouldn't, but even if it _does_, that doesn't mean it's even vaguely ok - it just means that the bunch of politicians in Philadelphia agreed on it and went home and talked their fellow politicians into buying the package. Spooner argued that not only did they not have the right to do so, but that even if they had it wouldn't have been binding in his day, much less ours. And by the way, none of this has to do with whether governments can require corporations not to have their employees act rudely. Corporations are a fictional creature whose existence is a favor from the government to the owners, and they can tie whatever strings they want to onto the favor when they grant it. Whether granting favors to bunches of owners is a State or Federal job, or whether it's Nobody's job, the owners can do what they're told or have their favor vanish in a puff of greasy orange smoke and still not have a cause of action for complaining about it. Companies run by partnerships and the business activities of individuals are a separate issue, unless they're selling to the government, which also makes them fair game. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 12/23/97 11:57 AM, Igor Chudov @ home (ichudov(a)algebra.com) passed this wisdom: >Brian B. Riley wrote: >> I had maybe a half dozen occasions where I put four to six 20 >> round mags (the Marines didn't start getting the 30 round mags >> til the Army got all theirs - sigh!) through my weapon on full >> auto in rapid succession and never had a jam. > >Did it overheat? Hot enough to burn exposed skin, but not enough for problems. I think had I gotten up to seven or eight magazines one after another there may have been danger of cooking off rounds or even barrel warp. I saw a an M-2 50 on a Chinook get a barrel warp after 1000 straight rounds ... first the barrel was glowing cherry red in broad daylight then as it cooled it warped enough that the gunner took it out of action ... fortunately by that time we had gotten off the ground and were well airborne on our way back to Danang (hmmmmmm, makes me think, nuthin good ever did happen out near Thuong Duc and Charlie Ridge!) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNKB1Mz7r4fUXwraZAQGCCAf/Yb0kffVGoPxht45wNowpD66qawU6TKZT g951Mv2OXwJMjDz3L7Dc1U5pqU2x2Zjr5kBKmA7qjJeHJFKB6BxP8XDUuauN6zMb 4Y0C3tVS+dPKSAJH5tgiP6Cx9Ml+qD14Pwn9zOrVPTSsHiDnF/haJrFXl5zaW9Ou ivLHuBDK5cFR1vcQJVJvN2AAlYGnBWwxNJNAo6ytlxDC3niMQw4gR06MeQ8vQTDL D3uxYDOa/2t5j9lskgwnXitbBnTgVHfOuD39+zdgPOhuCiPICxDxbNZrHfweVFDw ADBieG/FAj5Tu8tiukeTTnsWtIcnBiHBW7VFWu8IxNKyaoPHZW66yA== =6Gm8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." -Alvin Toffler

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 12/23/97 12:28 PM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: >Also, extreme long-range sniping is increasingly done with .50 >BMGs, or .338 Lapua, or, at the lower end, .300 Winchester Magnums. >In all cases, shot recovery is limited more by the shooter >reacquiring the sight picture than by cycling the action, so a >semi-auto is mostly a waste of resources. In the 60's and early 70's at least, the most accurate 'sniper' weapon in the military arsenal was the M-2 .50 cal machine gun (Ma Deuce) with tripod and T/E mechanism and set for single shot fire. There was a telecopic sight set for it and everything. On a 1st Recon OP at a place called Hill 200 down river from Thuong Duc in Quang Nam Province, Charlie liked to run dugouts and other small boats across the Vu Gia at night and real early morning ... we used to potshot at them with Ma Deuce from 2-3 klicks away and make good hits. We field tested some of the first larger starlight scopes and the gave us one rigged to mount on Ma Deuce, after three nights in a row causing spectular secondaries Charlie gave up and moved much farther down river. At the time they never could figure out how we saw them with almost no moon. (interesting sidelight on this matter was that USMC T/O for Recon had no 50 cals ... so we could not order ammo for it through normal supply channels ... the only ammo we could get was by trading with the air wing which meant all we could get was API (armor piercing incendiary) sopposedly is highly verbotten to shoot at ground troops ... seems it excessively ruins their afternoons!) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNKCAzD7r4fUXwraZAQGntgf/XwwHK5sEOwJJfOniOBxIPpDpslo0oPP8 2oIN9AJiaQGzclrdVATUntruLeZX4hHtCyOgrBBINaUGcu2/3EaIqvf0P2ofb2Bj Gr1zC+JoXftLT+/Cs46KkM2lV6INwte5vjUve5SXkS57Zw3km9U5gDFNFPV/NWTR nwihq2lU8W9BdIfHYS0suL9MAxddHKLoCSQeHZx9v0zWPchN3UotqM1Vn99KVKw2 dewgsbHYQ9izAiul0A/BIkZEpGELQSfg2z8cztvpYKuD3XKUThX7YFxHRZ2gN1LI +HaHG57t8sF4qfIrzb7/mx1ZwqVU1NJ8kIZ3U7xLEfGLsKSwB94MvA== =qPxj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." -Alvin Toffler

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12/23/97 11:07 PM, Igor Chudov @ home (ichudov(a)algebra.com) passed this wisdom: >the problem is the wear of the barrel > >ignoramus > no questio about wear, but I saw the barrel after it colled and it had a warp to it. I said 1000 rounds straight and I meant it. They kept linking onto the belts and I will bet he didn't let up on the trigger a dozen times through the ten belts .... my LRRP team had stumbled into a bit of hornets nest and half the NVA in that end of the province were chasing our asses by the time we hitthat LZ. the guy just kept firing til the barrel glowed and it did warp slightly when it cooled, enough that he didn't want to chance another round down the barrel. my guess is that it had been abused more than a few times and the overall temper of the metal had chnaged , but for sure there was probably very littel rifling left in the barrel as well. I have seen M-60 barrels so worn that they appeared to the naked eye as smoothbores. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For my PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...error reading WinOS. (A)bort, (R)etry, (M)acintosh?"

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Ancient Banking History
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: fma66.fma.com: majordomo set sender to owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net using -f X-Orig-From: Frank Sudia <aurelius(a)panix.com> X-e$pam-source: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:45:55 -0500 To: espam(a)intertrader.com From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Ancient Banking History Sender: owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Sudia <aurelius(a)panix.com> To: Digital Commerce Society of Boston <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> cc: Kawika Daguio <kdaguio(a)aba.com>, Richard Field <field(a)pipeline.com>, Stewart Baker <sbaker(a)ns.steptoe.com>, Frank Sudia <frank.sudia(a)bankerstrust.com>, Bernard Frischer <frischer49(a)aol.com> Subject: Ancient Banking History MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Frank Sudia <aurelius(a)panix.com> Dear Friends, One key problem facing many who seek to reinvent tha banking system is that they are only dimly acquainted with banking. Indeed many of us who work for banks also suffer this problem, because banking has become so encrusted with concepts from different eras that it's difficult to tell what is fundamental. So whilst we are attempting reinvent ourselves it might behoove us to get back to basics, which is what you get from "Athenian Society & Economy: A Banking Perspective," by Edward E. Cohen, Princeton, 1992. (Amazon) Drawing on empricial evidence, Cohen presents an intensive study of Athenian banking practices during the 80 year period between the defeat of Athens in the Peloponnesian Wars and the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BC. First he debunks the myth that there were no commercial loans, and then goes on to adduce complex banking transactions carried on with only a bag of silver coins and a table ("trapeza" in Greek, "banc(h)a" in Italian and most other languages). According to Demosthenes, a trapeza is "a business operation producing a risk-laden return from other people's money." Seeing these transactions arising in their simplest forms is very instructive, because it shows you what really matters about them. The trapeza took deposits and made loans, some of the proceeds of which were redeposited (and reloaned), thus expanding the money supply without fiat currency. There was zero government regulation! There were no checks, as payors and payees all showed up in person. There were bills of exchange to minimize transport of coins. There were 6,000 drachmas in a talent, and (I think) 20 drachmas in a Cyzicene stater, another popular big coin. Much of the business was undisclosed, to help clients reduce taxes, escape judgements, etc. Notions of interest were different: 1% a month for landed loans, 18-100% (per voyage) for maritime loans. Etc... I'm only part way thought it, but thought I would share this info, for all you history buffs out there. Cheers, Frank -------------------------------------------------------------- Frank W. Sudia, Consultant, BT Strategic Ventures 1 Bankers Trust Plaza, MS 2371, New York, NY 10006 Tel: 212-250-5242 Fax: 212-250-9347 Home: 212-809-5150 frank.sudia(a)bankerstrust.com -------------------------------------------------------------- For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk/ info(a)hyperion.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Full-Strength Cryptographic Solutions for Worldwide Electronic Commerce http://www.c2.net/ stronghold(a)c2.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Like e$? Help pay for it! For e$/e$pam contributions or sponsorship: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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CIA Tradecraft Notes
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've transcribed the CIA's release of "A Compendium of Analytic Tradecraft Notes," a 10-part series on how to perform intelligence analysis. http://jya.com/cia-notes.htm (124K)

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Javascript Encryption/Decryption
by amp＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Javascript page at infohiway has posted a javascript implementation of simple encryption for the web. http://www.infohiway.com/javascript/indexf.htm This would be interesting if it had a real crypto algorithm in it like IDEA. ===from their page=== Welcome to the ISN Web Developer's Cut-N-Paste JavaScript, Perl and Plug-ins Toolbox! http://www.infohiway.com/javascript Featuring more than 189 FREE JavaScripts you can simply paste into your HTML! Plus we have some Cut-N-Paste Perl and CSS scattered around the site, too! Cut-N-Paste JavaScript Home / Encryption Scheme This little script is really easy to use. Just paste in your message and you get back your encrypted message... relatively quickly. So long as the recipient has the same JavaScript app as you do, decryption will work. The sample on this page is of a 4-Bit encryption open architecture scheme using only JavaScript. Although designed primarily for encryption of shorty emails, the same notion could be used to protect confidential dealer price lists, etc. on your public pages. Encryption is not just a matter of "jumbling letters". Any amateur cryptographer has a whole lot more tricks than that up his sleeve. First, our little sample programs permit you to use a key letter, a key word or a key phrase of your own devising. What length? You decide. Since the length is unknown, we've created a first problem for anyone attempting to decrypt it. Secondly, they are ultimately recursive. Meaning that you can recursively encrypt encrypted materials as many times as you wish. Only you and the recipient know how many times. Another problem for the "great decryptor". Finally, you can really be sneaky about the key phrases you use. For example, you might agree that the key phrase will be the seventh line on page 13 of Catcher in the Rye. (Seventh month, thirteenth day) Or you might grab the 13th line on a page at a specific URL for this month. Or the lead headline from the ABC News Home Page for today. If you download this little script to your hard drive, even if the boss finds it, it does him/her absolutely no good whatsoever in decrypting your email, because the key phrases are absolutely necessary to the decryption of encrypted messages. === E-mail: amp(a)pobox.com Date: 12/24/97 Time: 08:50:10 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RSA-3-lines-PERL #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum ===

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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