December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12/23/97 2:33 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >Right mounted safety? Sounds like a lefties gun. Safeties are usualy thumb >tripped which means they are on the left. The idea is you can safety the >weapon without taking your finger from the trigger. That could explain the >loading problem, guns built for lefties typicaly have all kinds of weird >handling issues. It sounds to me like a real nightmare to load and use in >the bush since you have to take your hand off the gun in order to get the >safety off while you load another round while cycling the bolt through its >action - eliminates snap shots that's for shure. Do you know if it is a >lefty build? If so then it clearly isn't a military grade weapon since they >are ubiquitously designed for right handed firers (at least until the last >20 yrs. or so). > >Once the clip is in place, top feed since you said "push down", does the >safety prevent the cycling of ammo through the breech? Does it use a >stripper clip or a carrier? You don't happen to know the type of action? It was the first cicilian marketed semi-auto in the country ... the right hand safety can be operated and usually is by the thumb of the right hand its a big flat lever with a good sized tab on it, just extend the right thumb and push down. The magazine was a non removeable clip that could only be loaded from the top, no stripper clips. The one drawback to the weapon was it was a top eject and the it was said that the ejecting shell distracted the eye of the shooter, personally I got used to that within the first 100 round I fired with it. >Is this a military grade weapon or sport? > >> >A parallel pistol example would be nice too, if you're so inclined. >> >> I don't know of any pistols .... except that in the case of the >> ubiquitous military .45 (1911A1) while one can easily insert a magazine >> with the gun on safe, it isn't truly loaded til a round is chambered >> which involves coming out of safe to rack the slide > >Interesting since the 1911 I use doesn't exhibit this ... I don't >have a problem loading it irrespecitive of the safety. If the safety is on >the hammer is blocked from the bottem by a lever. You can put ammo in it, >cock it via the slide, etc. Just can't pull the trigger. Will have to look >more into this... agreed ... but .. my point is that racking the slide to chamber a round invlved bring the weapon to full cock, which, considering the abysmal track record of the the thumb safety removed the weapon from the only really safet state which was half-cock ... but that is maybe splitting hairs ... Merry Christmas to you too ... we here in Vermont are having a *very* white Christmas already with more snow coming tonite and tomorrow ... Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "When hell freezes over, grab your ice skates." -- Mark Johnson

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by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:11 PM 12/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >What is the best long gun for a Cypherpunk? > > 308 Winchester would be a pretty good all around choice. You would be a little over gunned for some of the smaller ones, however.

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Re: SPECIAL REPORT: Censorware in the Stacks (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 23:05:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: SPECIAL REPORT: Censorware in the Stacks > >Why should any state be in the business of owning and running any parks? > >We pay $60/year for a family membership in an excellent private park. > >Most public parks in NYC are extremely unpleasant and dangerous places. > > I find it quite amazing that anyone would live in a place where you had to > pay to see grass and trees. I don't know whether I should feel blessed or cursed now....I spent several hours today clearing the yard (covered in grass) of tree limbs that were knocked down from the storm last week and in preperation for the storm to come in to town tomorrow...still have to mow that green stuff since it's getting a tad tall...maybe this weekend. Personaly, I can't imagine why anyone would allow them to build a city without parks and grass and trees and such. Hell, we have laws in Austin that make such things mandatory...there is currently a big fight going on about 'Triangle Park' here in Austin between leaving the 50+ acres at N. Lamar, Guadalupe, & 45th alone or selling to make a movie theatre and parking lot. Looks like the trees are gonna win this one...I know my dog certainly likes romping in the mud puddles...(I live about 10 blocks away) So big bucks don't always win and the city & state (the park is owned by the state hospital and currently houses some sort of juvenile center in one small corner) governments do sometimes listen to the people of a neighborhood over commercial interests. Money is not more important than trees sometimes & government sometimes does listen... Merry Christmas! ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Question on CFB variant with c[i-N]
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Johnson, Michael P (Mike) <JohnsMP(a)LOUISVILLE.STORTEK.COM> > To: 'coderpunks(a)toad.com'; 'cypherpunks(a)algebra.com'; 'David Honig' <honig(a)otc.net> > Subject: RE: Question on CFB variant with c[i-N] > Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 12:22 PM > How about this mode: > c[i] = e(K1, e(k2, c[i-1]) ^ p[i-1]) ^ p[i] > p[i] = e(K1, e(k2, c[i-1]) ^ p[i-1]) ^ p[i] > > The feedback possibilities are literally endless. The analysis of the > effects on security, speed, error propagation, etc., are left as an > exercise for the reader. <grin> > Some standard modes have been well analyzed and accepted. They also are > built into specialized cracking hardware. Offering and using multiple > modes and multiple algorithms raises the cost of building specialized > cracking hardware. I'm kind-of skeptical of the big advantages of this. I mean, if you were convinced someone with a DES-cracking engine was listening in on an encrypted channel, and you really wanted to make sure they wouldn't manage to get any plaintext, would you rather alter your system to use some weird and not-too-well analyzed chaining mode, or alter your system to use DESX or Blowfish or something else with a key length too big to be vulnerable to such keysearch machines? There clearly *are* ways to get more than 56 bits of security out of DES. However, they're not generally obvious, and even very bright cryptographers have shot themselves in the foot trying to design them. (Remember 3DES with internal CBC-mode chaining, Ladder DES, and DES-Tran-DES-Tran-DES?) --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF

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Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is the best long gun for a Cypherpunk?

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 12/23/97 1:34 AM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: >(The notion that the AR-15/M-16 "jams" is based on 35-year-old >early experiences in Viet Nam, using an early design and early >ammo. The jamming problems were fixed quickly, by changing the >forward assist, changing the ammo a little, and teaching soldiers >how to properly clean the weapon.) In addition to that they chrome plated the chambers which eliminate 99% of the actions where the extractor would rip off the tail end of the casing. "obturation" (almost microscopic expansion of the brass in the chamber at ignition) and the coarser finish of the unplated chambers coupled up to give a high percentage of jams. When the jam was tough enough that the tail of the cartridge got ripped off the poor trooper was up shits creek since he couldn't use a cleaning rod to remove the shell ... a lot of M16s got bent around trees because of that! By Nov 68 when I got in country the 1st MarDiv had replaced most of its M16s with the newer chromed chamber models. I don't know about other services or outfits. I had maybe a half dozen occasions where I put four to six 20 round mags (the Marines didn't start getting the 30 round mags til the Army got all theirs - sigh!) through my weapon on full auto in rapid succession and never had a jam. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNJ/kZz7r4fUXwraZAQEe2gf+JsOLKfLW9GGQBu8WNDAaqyjql1FamKQp abqMPoleLrhaHrB7TnkfTF7sdL6R9tO9syBTjqw36CKOXv/lP3/DsiSQTnML2K2s cl2eCphQvfc2b7L9ylXcihs0UHynqCgevtPLJG5f7QrSvzR+NFlFd0roBiFLLZc+ lz88qgnSUOFclhepsmYslSBEqaLX62Y11pnxb/yr1xU6DUVZv+92yhVsT2ojxZ4b n6WrsU81mFOjX+Oi41Zg9GAbMFy/cM2O2mZ4YJBEWkztWA1J9kNX6NSisv0Yswbj bkmWD3sFCeh8qKmflllh+fuxq70q8mLyws6ntzclpdgcUUs1JWGIjg== =rdqq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day, but give him a case of dynamite and soon the village will be showered with mud and seaweed and unidentifiable chunks of fish." -Joe Chew

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Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12/22/97 6:40 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: > >Forwarded message: > >> Subject: Re: Lock and Load >> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 17:59:49 -0500 >> From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > >> There are probably as many weapons where this is true as there where >> it is not. In general it makes most sense to check for safe condition >> before and after loading. > >Would you be so kind as to give a specific example of a bolt action, >semi-automatic, or automatic rifle that can't be loaded on safe? I have >never seen a rifle that wouldn't allow this. Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle (circa 1905-1930+) there is one (high three digit serial number made in 1906) chambered in .35 Remington on the wall about 30 feet from where I am sitting. It's safety is right side mounted and not only blocks the trigger but locks the bolt forward both internally and externally by blocking track for the bolt handle, it must be off to draw the bolt back to load the internal five round pushdown magazine. The design was based on the original Browning patent for a semi-automatic rifle. I remember through the years seeing at least three other weapons with similar mechanisms but I cannot recall make and model save that one of the was a Remington of 1920's vintage. >A parallel pistol example would be nice too, if you're so inclined. I don't know of any pistols .... except that in the case of the ubiquitous military .45 (1911A1) while one can easily insert a magazine with the gun on safe, it isn't truly loaded til a round is chambered which involves coming out of safe to rack the slide .... as far as I am concerned the only 'safe' safety on a .45 is the half-cock position. I have seen a number of malfunctions of the thumb safety and the grip safety as well as the barrel disconnect safety. In another message someone commented on not dropping a .45 with the hammer back ... I have a friend in NJ who commanded another platoon in my recon company in Nam. He jumped down off a parapet and his .45 bounced out of his flak jacket pocket and went off putting a large hole in his foot (for which he earned the nickname "Quick Draw"). It had been in 'condition 1' (full magazine inserted, round chambered, hammer at full cock, thumb safety on), but went off anyway. The armorer later said none of the parts seemed damaged or particularly worn, it just went off ... I am sure there's dozens more stories of loaded 45's going off when dropped. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." -- Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead (1943)

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:34:51 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun > Were I to recommend one rifle to meet most needs, it would be some variant > of the AR-15, from Colt or Bushmaster or Olympic Arms, etc. About $800 for > a common variant. No need for a collapsible stock. This will handle social > needs from short range, to a few hundred yards (maybe more). > > There are those who recommend a cheaper SKS or AK-47 variant. I've never > owned one, so can't honestly comment. The concensus in rec.guns and > misc.survivalism seems to be that the AR shoots better and more accurately, > but the AK-47 is more forgiving of bad conditions, dirt, etc. Inasmuch as I > don't expect to be in the desert, or even any mud, I'll take the more > accurate piece. I would go for a HK 93 or G3 model myself w/ Zeiss 3x9 scope w/ some sort of laser designator for long range (> 200 yds.). Chambered in .308 and will give about a 4 to 6-in. group at 600 yds. from what I have seen - very handy for shooting throug 4 in. brick walls as well. Very accurate (a very popular sniper weapon) and more than forgiving with the environment. It's little brother the MP-5 pretty much owns the SWAT and similar sorts of jobs. A Desert Eagle chambered in .357 (you just *think* those .223 go through vests) would be my close in choice. Course you ain't gonna touch the HK for less than a few $k and the Desert Eagles are over $1k. > (The notion that the AR-15/M-16 "jams" is based on 35-year-old early > experiences in Viet Nam, using an early design and early ammo. The jamming > problems were fixed quickly, by changing the forward assist, changing the > ammo a little, and teaching soldiers how to properly clean the weapon.) Don't worry about it - go with a HK and you can fill the chamber with gunk and the next cycle of the blowback bolt system will clear it. Excellent all weather weapon. It'll even fire if un-oiled - not something you should do with a M16/AR15. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Get your Anthrax shots
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Well I don't know about you Tim but my Doctors only know me as Mr. Cash. >:) How'd you pull that one off? All kinds of personal information, including your name, is included in medical records which the doctors have to keep up to date and reference. When you go in you'd have to give them your name. Now on the other hand I suppose you could go in, say you don't have insurance, give a fake name, and pay in cash always. It would still be trivial to ambush you at a scheduled doctor appointment. And I think Klintonkov has done a good job of discouraging privately funded medical care.

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Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Lock and Load (fwd) > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 02:41:03 -0500 > From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > It was the first cicilian marketed semi-auto in the country This doesn't use a Mauser 1898 action does it? The top feed 5-round clip is my first clue... As to first semi-automatic in the country, I believe the Springfield 1903 has that particular honor. It used a Mauser '98 action also. It's also where .30-06 got the 06 from...also very popular in WW1 and used as a sniper rifle through Normandy, after which the Garand pretty much took over. > ... the > right hand safety can be operated and usually is by the thumb of the > right hand its a big flat lever with a good sized tab on it, just extend > the right thumb and push down. How can that work if the R. thumb is on the L. side of the gun while the safety is on the R. side of the gun? Your description leaves me with one of two mental images. Either my hand is off the trigger guard and I have a loaded and unsafed weapon or else I have to do some sort of finger gynmastics around the trigger guard in the same unsafed condition. Scares the be-jesus out of me...an errant twig could fire a round. > The magazine was a non removeable clip > that could only be loaded from the top, no stripper clips. The one > drawback to the weapon was it was a top eject and the it was said that > the ejecting shell distracted the eye of the shooter, personally I got > used to that within the first 100 round I fired with it. Yep, bet this is some sort of Mauser '98 action... > Merry Christmas to you too ... we here in Vermont are having a *very* > white Christmas already with more snow coming tonite and tomorrow ... We're supposed to get rain and more rain starting tomorrow. They say it might be clear on Christmas but the rain returns on Friday...;( Stay warm & thanks for the discussion. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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