December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: "bad" government
by Richard F. Dutcher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Subject: RE: "bad" government >> From: "Richard F. Dutcher" > >> Do you assume privacy and protection from arbitrary power are solely >> libertarian concerns? If so, educate yourself and check out the ACLU >> and Amnesty International ... > .................................................. > > You can check out each group, each organization, each institution, etc. > one by one, and eventually arrive at the realization that it's a matter > of principle. Anyone can make your life hell, even the "good guys" > who are supposed to know better and whose talents are engaged > supposedly for the support of great ideals. > > "Oh Liberty, what crimes have been committed in your name." > > .. > Blanc > All too true. What's your point? Got a principle that *hasn't* been used/abused? Rich Dutcher, San Francisco Greens P.O. Box 77005, San Francisco, California 94107 USA "That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" Greens, of course, only enslave plants - so weed-whackers work better than cops ...

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The RSA FAQ on http://www.catalog.com/jamesd/rsafaq.html
by jamesd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chris converted the RSA FAQ to html for easy reading. I have placed this faq on http://www.catalog.com/jamesd/rsafaq.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.catalog.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. | jamesd(a)netcom.com

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commercial authecation
by hkhenson＠cup.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some time ago (perhaps even two years back) I seem to remember discussion here--or in a related area--about a service some former Bell Labs people were offering. It was a time stamp/authentication service which depended in part on publishing of a hash in a paper of record. I now find I have need for this service. Pointers to this service (by email) would be much appreciated. Keith Henson

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Re: AT&T and VLSI Encryption device
by Michael Sattler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 1/31/95, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >"Pat Farrell" says: >> Today's (1/31) Washington Post has a tiny blurb that AT&T and VLSI will >> announce a hardware encryption device for use in lots of >> communications devices, including cell phones, PDAs, etc. > >This is the device I posted a newswire article about a couple of weeks >ago. No details, but it looks cute. How does this device conform with the legislated requirement that it must deliver plaintext to the government upon court-approved demand? -----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Michael Sattler <msattler(a)jungle.com> San Francisco, California | Digital Jungle Consulting Services http://www.jungle.com/msattler/ | | And so these men of Indostan/ disputed long and loud/ each in his own | opinion/ exceeding stiff and strong/ though each was partly right/ and | all were in the wrong! - John Godfrey Saxe |

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RE: "bad" government
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Richard F. Dutcher" What's your point? Got a principle that *hasn't* been used/abused? .................................................. The original statement I made was in response to Richard Moore, who was wondering out loud why someone else on this list was "on the wrong side"; I remarked in essence that he likewise is seemingly on that side, as cryptography, in its development, is designed to serve the purposes of individuals in disproportion to governmental control over it. I'm not assuming that "privacy and protection from arbitrary power are solely libertarian concerns" either. Yet I don't need to "check out the ACLU and Amnesty International ..." to understand the many possibilities and dangers. My remarks were intended to indicate that it isn't necessary to inspect the varying degrees of comparative corruption or betterment in any of the institutions which these political arguments encourage; if you understand full well the principle involved, or what it is that is "wrong", then it shouldn't be too difficult to see the similar impropriety wherever it becomes manifest. .. Blanc

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Re: "bad" government
by alt＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >>From: erc(a)s116.slcslip.indirect.com (Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin]) > >>Governments as a whole are seen to be "bad" because they invariably undermine >the right of the individual to make choices for themselves. > >Quite untrue. It's society which provides you with an environment in which >you have choices. And its government which orders that society. It's >because government has served you so well, that you have luxury to >fantasize you don't need it. You're being duped. Government does indeed "order society." However, "order" does not equat to liberty, luxury, or to individual freedom. If strong government resulted in liberty and freedom, then the most intrusive, all-encompassing governments would result in its citizens having the most liberty. Is this the case? I would look at the (former) Soviet Union, Iran, Cuba, East Germany, etc., for your answer. Individual liberties do not necessarily result in an "orderly society." In fact, an imposed "order" on society, by definition, must result in limited liberties. Apply this to anonymous remailers, and encrypted personal mail, and you can easily see how the government imposing "order" would result in the end of those activities. ************************************************************ * Just your basic signature block * * * * Al Thompson * * Fidonet 1:231/110 * * alt(a)iquest.net * ************************************************************

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URGENT - MS hack of FFS
by solman＠MIT.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could somebody here please give me the reference for the full version of Micali and Shamir's hack of the Fiat-Shamir family of authentication schemes. I need it to make sure that what I've put in the class notes for an IAP course I am teaching is correct. I have the short paper (An improvement of the Fiat-Shamir Identification and Signature Scheme) from Crypto '88 (I think), but I need the full version. If anybody here can get me the reference before the libraries here close tonight, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Jason W. Solinsky

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Z-Mail
by jltocher＠CCGATE.HAC.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone please email me with details about obtaining and configuring Z-Mail for use with PGP? Thanks, John John L. Tocher THE CITY-a bounded infinity. A labyrinth where JLTocher(a)ccgate.HAC.com you are never lost. Your private map where every PGP: CE 72 1A 11 07 47 35 block bears exactly the same number. Even if you 35 9A C1 DE EA 64 21 BC 94 lose your way, you cannot go wrong. --Kobo Abe

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Re: AT&T and VLSI Encryption device
by Michael Sattler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:55 1/31/95, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Michael Sattler says: >> >> How does this device conform with the legislated requirement that it must >> deliver plaintext to the government upon court-approved demand? > >There is no such requirement. I was under the impression that "the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act requires equipment manufacturers and telecommunications carriers to develop network technologies that are readily wiretapped" (from Garfinkel's book). Doesn't a "hardware encryption device for use in lots of communications devices, including cell phones, PDAs, etc." seem to fall into that category? If it doesn't then I have no idea what CALEA is supposed to do. -----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Michael Sattler <msattler(a)jungle.com> San Francisco, California | Digital Jungle Consulting Services http://www.jungle.com/msattler/ | | And so these men of Indostan/ disputed long and loud/ each in his own | opinion/ exceeding stiff and strong/ though each was partly right/ and | all were in the wrong! - John Godfrey Saxe |

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Re: Better living through better `procmail'
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In reponse to quite a few people asking, Procmail can be found at ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de as pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz safe-tcl, which some people prefer, is at ftp.ics.uci.edu:mrose/safe-tcl/safe-tcl.tar.Z Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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