December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd) > From: Firebeard <stend+cypherpunks(a)sten.tivoli.com> > Date: 23 Aug 1997 12:30:45 -0500 > No, the federal government is barred. The state governments > are free to do so (constrained by their own constitutions). For that > matter, the federal government shouldn't be involved in the business > of affecting the specific welfare of individuals, so it should be a > moot issue. This I agree with completely. At no point in the Constitution does it give the federal government the job of welfare. It also does not provide for any mechanism for law enforcement (ie DEA, NSA, FBI, etc.) outside of taxes and inter-state commerce. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am trying to find a place to do a cypherpunks list archive search by Subject: header. (unsuccessfully) Does anyone have any pointers they can spare? (No. My problem is not that I can't spel "Help.")

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Re: Inside the Cypherpunks Cult (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Inside the Cypherpunks Cult (fwd) > From: Firebeard <stend+cypherpunks(a)sten.tivoli.com> > Date: 23 Aug 1997 14:11:13 -0500 > >>>>> Jim Choate writes: > > JC> And any soldier who fires on Americans is clearly going against > JC> prima facia evidence that the framers intended for American > JC> military force to NEVER be used against American citizens on > JC> American soil. > > Being a Pennsylvania native, I refer you to the 'Whiskey > Rebellion', 1791-4, western Pennsylvania. Mr Washington, one of those > framers, sent American troops (militia, under federal control) against > American citizens on American soil. Militia <> Army. Exactly, they were militia NOT federal troops. This is EXACTLY why we have the militia mentioned in the 2nd. With there being no mechanism to constitutionaly employ federal troops against Americans there had to be some means to maintane the peace. In addition there needed to be some mechanism to prevent the federals from mis-using those troops hence the 2-year limit at the federal level for all monies expended on federal troops. No such limit applies to monies given to the states to fund their individual militias. Which are LOANED to the federal government with the consent of the govenor of the particular states. The idea being that if the fed's mis-use those troops the govenor simply orders them to stand down. Without voluntary help from the states the feds should be powerless inside the borders of the US. I suspect that there is a certain level of misrepresentation of what went on during the Whiskey Rebellion (which I was aware of before your elucidation). Near as I can tell Washington acted responsibly within the bounds of the intent and word of the Constitution. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner CNN- Your Local Link rule JUDGE DISMISSES WOMAN'S DISNEYLAND SUIT Disney lawsuit August 22, 1997 Web posted at: 10:44 p.m. EDT (0244 GMT) LOS ANGELES, (Reuter) -- A judge on Friday dismissed asuit brought against Disneyland by a woman who said she wasrobbed at the theme park and her grandchildren were traumatized by seeing Disney characters remove their costumes. The lawsuit was brought by Billie Jean Matay, 57, who wasone of the first group of Mouseketeers, young Disneyentertainers dressed in costumes that included Mickey Mouse ears, to perform at Disneyland when it opened 40 years ago. Orange County Superior Court Judge Richard Luesenbrink said,"There is nothing to suggest this incident could have beenavoided." The dismissal came after Matay's lawyer had rested his case. Matay, who broke down on the witness stand when shetestified, blamed poor security at the park's parking lot for her being robbed of $165 at gunpoint in August 1995 when she went there with her three grandsons, aged between 5 and 10. She said that after the incident, security guards detainedher family and her grandsons were shocked and traumatized when they saw Disney characters they believed were real take off their costumes in a back stage area. Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. rule Related site: Note: Page will open in a new browser window * Welcome to Disneyland External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] CNN- Your Local Link rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd) > From: Firebeard <stend+cypherpunks(a)sten.tivoli.com> > Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:04:48 -0500 > Then what do the words "are reserved to the States > respectively" mean? To me, it's explicitly stating that the States > have powers that the feds do (or should) not. Exactly. They mean it isn't something the federal government has any interest or say in constitutionaly. It does not imply that those powers are granted at the behest of the feds but rather clearly fall outside of their jurisdiction. Nor does it support the concept of a heirarchy with the feds at the top, then the states, and finaly the people. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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by 55632950＠compuserve.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:48:41 -0700 > From: Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court > (fwd) > So we are all in agreement: when I mentioned Norplant briefly being a > precondition for receiving welfare benefits, I was talking about a example > that I recall to have occurred in a single state. [I can't remember the > state. Anyone?] It appears you agree that States are allowed by the US > Constitution to impose such requirements, subject to the state's own > constitutions. No, I would say that I at least am not in agreement. The US Constitution doesn't allow the states anything, it DOES delineate the duties of the federal government. The federal government does not own the states any more than it owns the citizens. In other words, the states don't need the federal governments permission to carry on their day to day activities within their boundaries. ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. The problem I see with your thinking is one of heirarchy which is not what the Constitution is about, it is about how to carry on the business of running a democratic government that involves equals with clearly dilineated duties for the systems and rights whose expression is outside the domain of the systems that are the peoples exclusivly. Governments don't have rights they have duties which they are charged with carrying out according to their charter. People need to understand the original intent was for the state and federal governments to be on equal footing when it comes to checks & balances. The biggest disservice we do is thinking the 3 parts of the federal government are all that is involved in the checks & balances. The states should always have the opportunity to tell the feds, thanks but no thanks, within the bounds of the state and federal constitutions. Democracy as embodied in our Constitution is about the relationships between equals. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Cypherpunks Home for the Criminally Insane
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At first, I was confused... Here I was, the only resident being held in the Cypherpunks Home for the Criminally Insane. Yet, every day I would receive hundreds of posts purporting to be from a variety of individuals subscribed to the list. "What is going on, here?" I asked myself. Had my Multi-Personality Disorder gotten so out of hand that I was, without conscious knowledge, actually writing all of these posts by myself? ... or, Were the voices that spoke to me when I forgot to take my medication right? Were there others in the 'Home' who were hiding from me, and were also subscribed to the Cypherpunks list? In the end, I came to the conclusion that the latter answer was the correct one. After all, even someone as crazy as me could not make the rest of you people up. - Me "But not that far from being *you*."

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