December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

ADMIN: proposed new policy on the mailing list
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I want to publicly support the proposal to delay unsigned messages. Of course, it's easy to fake a signature, so the sigs would have to be verified against some list of public keys--perhaps automatically updatable. This is despite the fact that signing securely would be very tough for people like me. -fnerd(a)smds.com

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Re: help/subscribe
by Dark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: Subscription requests and Bandwidth It seems I perpetrated a vile and offensive error in sending a subscribe request directly to the list. My request of course generated a multitude of angry cypherpunks (Not the type of people you want angry with you I might add) to reply and tell me where to look and where to stick my request (in the most polite possible ways I assure you....) Now allow me to waste more bandwidth and apoligize :) On another note: Has anyone noticed the post regarding U Chicago's computer policy and it's omnious overtones against psuedo and anonymous postings? I believe it was floating around alt.privacy and I was wondering if anyone had any more idea about where it might go from there. Despite the fact that I believe the policy to just be lacking in general and its limitation on privacy in general an oversite, I wonder how much intent was involved. Shall I provide a copy of the offending policy or has it circulated yet...? -uni- (Dark)

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Re: a desperate plea
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray faovrs us with > >J. Michael Diehl writes: >> According to rjc(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu: >> > I'm coming to kill your family tommorow with a rusty razor. >> >> This is a bit tasteless, don't you think. Come on, grow up. > > That was sort of an inside joke directed at Perry. (it's the motd >of the Extropian's mail server) However, if it sapped any of LD's bodily >fluids, I'm happy. I'd have to be, since I'm an evil, treasonous >Benedict Arnold of cypherpunks who should be hung by the neck or deported >off the net. No, in point of fact, you're a poorly adjusted infant who finds it amusing to stand at a safe distance and clog up the net with threats which he surely would never dare to make face-to-face. Ray, before you recommend psychological evaluation for others, it might be worth considering looking into some for yourself. You might also want to give Jacoby and Meyers a call and ask them for a quick rundown on the prevailing assault statutes. Please take your cowardly bravado to private email. You're about as impressive as a third-grader sticking out his tongue at the playground bully from behind the safety of his mother's skirt, a situation with which I can't help but feel you have some personal familiarity. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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random numbers and human nature
by remail＠tamsun.tamu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

maybe i'm just stupid, but i haven't seen this discussed yet. has anyone realized that there will be a lot of encrypted data out there when the "general public" starts using encryption regularly? think about it. people will pick passwords/phrases that they *think* they'll remember when they next decide to decrypt the file or whatever. and these are the people that come out of shopping malls and have hard time finding where they parked car. how many times have you had to regen your pub/sec keys? :) sweet & sour, Ducoyuh Tokuzuham Gemugez Neshotsu

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an open offer
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A >(To the insiders: it will be quite awhile before we sort everything A >out and file charges, so be patient.) Don't wait too long. We might be out of the jurisdiction. DCF Say, is there any way we could knock cypherpunks off the nets for four days? Did the s/n ratio on extropians a world of good. Maybe the extropian list software could incorporate random outages throughout the year. Just a thought... --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Re: No subject
by an41418＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'll be there, but I probably won't identify myself without my mask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Anonymous Geeks With Killfiles
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some anonymous geek writes: > >In article <931025174804_72114.1712_FHF124-2(a)compuserve.com>, >Sandy <72114.1712(a)CompuServe.COM> wrote: >: [who cares?] > >You are a rude and obnoxious individual who believes that an >argument can be answered with ad hominem. What, you mean like calling 'em "rude and obnoxious"? >If you had anything >worth paying attention to, you sabotaged any possibility of my >paying attention to it by your actions. > >Welcome to my killfile. I can imagine the extreme degree of concern that Sandy must be feeling over being placed in the killfile of an unidentified non-entity. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: DC-nets, up from the basic concept
by pierre＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> You could (maaaybe :-( establish the layering: > > Coaxial - Ethernet - IP - TCP / Telnet - RFC822 email - > PEM - DC-net - IP - TCP / Telnet - RFC822 email - PEM Before somebody takes the above tooooo seriously, I'll add that it would take major work to modify TCP/IP to function as the second "TCP/IP" layer in the example above. This is because TCP/IP relies on dialogs between machines/nets instead of broadcasts (at least at the internetwork level), so messages should be traceable back to an inter-DC-net "table", but could not be traced back to a specific host. Pierre pierre(a)shell.portal.com

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Enough!
by Philippe_D_Nave 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, all! The Detweiler-flaming is getting out of hand, folks. Some of you have individual gripes with him, and I recognize your right to carry on conversations via e-mail, but I (for one) am thoroughly sick of looking at this latest wave of gratuitous harassment. There are plenty of arenas that provide this sort of entertainment; if the best you can do with your Internet access is send 'nyah-nyah-nyah' messages, I suggest that you log into some local PC bulletin boards and flame away. (Those of you with multiple personalities and/or avatars can flame yourselves; you'll get better response time that way anyway. <grin>). The death threats are particularly infantile, regardless of whether or not they were meant as some sort of obscure joke. The reason coffee houses don't normally have bouncers is that they normally don't _need_ them; in our case, I hope we can move past this disruptive behavior and keep the coffee house crowd from permanently polarizing into opposing camps. If that happens, I think we'll lose whatever benefit there is to be had from this sort of forum. I appeal to all of us to reconsider the motives that led us to the 'punks to start with - are we 'cypherpunks' who 'write code' and 'have fun,' or are we just 'punks' who try to impress one another with how vicious we can be? There is a big difference. Newbies : If you think that there is stature to be gained by joining in this sorry spectacle, think again. The only place you can gain respect by abusing someone else is a street gang (or the U.S. Congress, perhaps). ........................................................................ Philippe D. Nave, Jr. | The person who does not use message encryption pdn(a)dwroll.dw.att.com | will soon be at the mercy of those who DO... Denver, Colorado USA | PGP public key: by arrangement.

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why a nym?
by nobody＠rosebud.ee.uh.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Arthur Chandler asks why run a nym -- > Isn't it tough enough to build up a rep under our real names? What is > the point to using a pseudonym? I can think of some bad reasons; but I > can't come up with any good ones, except for "fun" and "just to see what > it feels like to put out opinions not my own." I'm sure I'm missing the > point; so, before you jump on me as a Clueless Newbie, can you run by > the reasons why you want to have alternate personas on the NET? I had a nice long message composed in response, explaining my own circumstances, but on review, it's clear that I can't explain without revealing personal information, threatening exposure. Sorry. But use your imagination. There are plenty of uses, such as speaking out and whistle blowing, and cypherpunks are interested in anonymous digital economies, so running a nym is good for practice. If you listen to some cypherpunks, there are research questions, too. Anonymous

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