December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Feds Approve Bank to Certify Digital Signatures
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm not sure it is unfortunate that they'll be offering escrow. If its a complete flop, then we'll be able to point to the complete failure of the released system. Time for some Big Brother inside stickers to be printed out, slapped on flyers for the program, and remailing to potential customers. :) Anyone work at ZNB? Want help quitting? Adam Bill Stewart wrote: | There was a note to Dave Farber's list that the Office of the | Comptroller of Currency has approved Zion's First National Bank | to certify digital signatures. Since they're in Utah, Zion's has | | They're going to offer digital signature certificates | with the usual binding of a key to a body plus papers, | and provide software to support it. Some of their software | can be used for encryption, and unfortunately they're | going to offer key escrow, though as a separate business | service, with keys encrypted by the key's corporate owner | as well as by the bank for protection, but it's not | going to be a mandatory service, and they have no intention | of offering escrow for signature keys, only encryption keys. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 16:26:45 EST > > > Of course there's a free-market remedy for Microsoft; eliminate copyright. > > > anyone can copy Microsoft software for free, it would be forced to compete > > > on real benefits rather than installed base. > > > > If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market software > > or much else for that matter. I would predict that much of the technology > > and infrastructure we have now wouldn't exist. It would also stiffle > > creativity and new methodologies because there would be no profit in it to > > recoup development costs. Those who would survive in such a market would be > > the 800-lb gorillas because only they would have the resources to squash the > > smaller companies. > > Software development seems to be thriving in countries that aren't very keen > on enforcing copyright laws - do you care to explain why? Oh yeah... Software development is a long way from selling software, not the same animal at all. I mean when I go down to the dozen computer stores within a mile or so of my house I am truly deluged by software from countries outside of the US and Canada. I mean we have all heard of the Indian and Bulgarian software billionares haven't we? And all those folks in Turkey just rolling in cash... Further, who do the majority of these folks who actualy make a reasonable living work for either directly or under contract? Large US and Eurpean countries thats who. That's why those folks can make a living developing (not selling) software. > > Free markets monopolize. > Hmm... There's no copyright on perfumes. There are market leaders in perfumes, > but no monopoly; hardly even an olygopoly. I can tell how often you buy perfume, the ones I buy for my girlfriend certainly have a little 'c' on them... And as to the number of companies that are actualy developing perfume versus reselling it under their own house brands...there might be a couple dozen succesful (say stay in business more than 5 years) in the whole world and I would go so far as to hypothesize that if one were motivated to plot the number of companies per year over the last say 50 years you would see the number go *down*. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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by dean＠intergal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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"The Internet needs a chastity chip." ---James Traficant, Dem-Ohio
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/980206/wired/stories/cybersex_1.html Friday February 6 10:07 AM EST Lawmaker warns of cybersex "pregnancy danger" WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citing the case of a woman who claims she got pregnant from e-mail, an Ohio Democrat called Wednesday for a "chastity chip" for the Internet. Rep. James Traficant, known for his flamboyant rhetoric, gave a brief floor speech about a woman named Frances who claimed to have gotten pregnant through an e-mail exchange with a paramour 1,500 miles away. "That's right -- pregnant," the Congressman proclaimed, warning of the dangers of "immaculate reception." He called on Congress to go beyond "v-chips" that would protect kids from sexual content on the Internet, saying: "Its time for Congress to act. The computers do not need a v-chip. The Internet needs a chastity chip." Although Traficant did not say whether he believed the woman's account, he did say it was "enough to crash your hard drive." ------------------------------------------------------------ David Honig Orbit Technology honig(a)otc.net Intaanetto Jigyoubu Lewinsky for President '2012

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RebaNews
by mail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reba will join Rosie O'Donnell as her special co-host February 16, as The Rosie O'Donnell Show continues its broadcasts from Los Angeles. In addition to pulling co-hosting duties, Reba will also perform "What If," her tribute song to the Salvation Army. Fresh off her wins at both the Peoples Choice Awards (which she hosted and won Favorite Female Musical Performer) and the American Music Awards (Favorite Female Country Artist), the February 16th appearance marks the second time Reba has appeared on The Rosie O'Donnell Show. Later this month, Reba will begin work on the CBS-TV movie, "Forever and Always," tentatively scheduled to air in May.

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Free-market monopolization features...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, This is the theory in its current working version: An unregulated (free-market) economy will inherently monopolize when, but not necessarily only if, the following are present: - the market is saturated, in other words the number of consumers at any given time are equal to or less than the service providers ability to provide that service (or resource). This means the long-term survival of firms is a function of retained market share and raw resource share control/ownership. - the technology and/or start-up costs are high in material and intellectual factors. This minimizes the potential for new providers to start up. Providers will also require non-disclosure and other mechanisms to reduce sharing of information and cross-communications except under controlled conditions. Expect an increase in certifications and implimentation standards required to do business with the more succesful of these providers. - an individual or small group of service providers have a small but distinct efficiency advantage in technology, manufacturing, or marketing. Over a long-enough time this market advantage will grow and as a result widen the 'technology gap' between firms. - expect the most efficient firms to share their profit with the critical intellectual contributors. This further reduces the problem of cross-communication and new provider start-up. - expect to see the more successful providers to join in co-ops with the less succesful providers. This will be under the surreptitous goal of 'developing technology'. It's actual goal will be to cause these smaller firms to commit resources to such enterprises. As soon as it is strategicaly advantagous the primary providers will break-off the co-op. This has the effect of further reducing the ability of the smaller providers to react in a timely manner to market changes or develop new technology due to resource starvation. - expect to see the less efficient providers to combine in an effort to reap the benefits of shared market share and resources. Unless this partnering provides a more efficient model and there is sufficient time for that efficiency to develop these new providers will eventualy fail or be joined with other providers. - expect to see the primary provider buy those less efficient providers that don't fail completely. These purchases will be as a result of some new or unexpected technology that will significantly increase the market share of the primary provider -or- it will be with the goal of eliminating this secondary technology and forcing those market shares to do without or use the primary providers technology. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Free-market monopolization features... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I left one out... Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> > Subject: Free-market monopolization features... > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:35:16 -0600 (CST) > An unregulated (free-market) economy will inherently monopolize when, but > not necessarily only if, the following are present: - initialy prices for services will be low to promote purchasing but as providers obtain larger market shares their prices will increase over time and out of step with inflation and other market forces in order to widen the profit gap. The strategy is one of 'use it or starve'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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New Credit Rating System Coming [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > NEW CREDIT RATING SYSTEM ON HORIZON > > graphic February 5, 1998 > Web posted at: 2:38 p.m. EST (1938 GMT) > > NEW YORK (AP) -- Within months, retailers will be able to use a new > computerized credit-rating system to decide not only whether they'll > take your check or debit card, but how big a check you can write. > > Banks will be able to use the system to determine whether they will > let you open a checking account, and what kind of fees you will pay. > > Deluxe Corp., the nation's biggest check printer, has joined Fair, > Isaac & Co., a credit scoring company, and Acxiom Corp., a data > warehouse, to create the system for rating a merchant's risk of > accepting checks and debit cards. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:13:00 -0800 (PST) > From: mark(a)unicorn.com > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) wrote: > >If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market software > >or much else for that matter. > > So I presume that Linux doesn't exist[1]? And, for that matter, I make my > living writing software which is given away for free... So do I, and I bet both our incomes combined doesn't add up to 15 minutes of Bill G's and it won't. From a market perspective we're flies on the back of great elephant. Please be so kind as to describe how and why this marketing mechanism (copyleft) will succed? I've been using and supporting Linux since 1993 (SSZ is listed as a source site in the back of 'Running Linux' since day one) in this manner neither I or anyone else has gotten rich. Linus made so much money off it that he went to work for a company in So. Cali. writing fully commercial software... > [1] Yes, I'm aware the GPL uses copyright to enforce its conditions, but > it's copright-free in the important sense: anyone can copy Linux and use > it with no fear of black ninjas at their door. It's copyrighted in the important sense in that it uses the copyright to enforce its conditions. That is just as important as the marketing decisions made by it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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RE Fingerprints and EF Georgia
by WebWarrior3＠InfoWar.Com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yup, EF-Georgia http://www.efga.org has had an ongoing project dealing with fingerprinting for DL's This is in reply to Jim Burns' post: "If your interested in this problem, I believe that the Georgia wing of the EFF is mounting a campaign against fingerprinting on driver's licenses. Can't remember the URL for it though..." EF Georgia has consistantly had some mighty fine information on their mail list, still on topic too for the most part. Scott R. Brower Electronic Frontiers Florida http://www.efflorida.org BTW...neither EFGA nor EFFlorida, or as far as I know, any other EF group... is affiliated with EFF in any way but certain principals which bind us together in a common cause.

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